Happy Sabbath

[JLB]

As I said, leave well enough alone.

So leave it alone.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I find it interesting that both Christian and non Christian can enjoy the same day called Sabbath.


JLB

Yes, especially when they are under the same worship of the true Sabbath, under the end of the 6th. day which is the next day 7th. day Sabbath from the beginning of creation.

What is your perspective on what Paul said in these verse's?

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ... Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations-- ...These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


JLB

We 7th Day Sabbath keepers are the Christians with knowledge, understanding the difference between Moses laws & the Lords REQUIREMENTS! Where is it located about 'new moons' in the Lords creation week before Adam was even created! So we will let you catch up!;)

--Elijah

As the context of the verse shows, Gentile Christians were being compelled to keep the law of Moses by believing Pharisee's.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, as well as Sabbaths and finally the phrase but the substance is of Christ, clearly negates the shadows that were done under the Law of Moses, making them obsolete and unnecessary.


JLB

 

[Ryan]

As I said, leave well enough alone.

So leave it alone.


JLB

Sad observation here. You give us a hard time for following things such as the Sabbath, and our testimony is it is a wonderful thing to grasp onto. Not the bondage some people declare who have no experience, or worse yet, no understanding of the context of passages about what under law is. Our joy and witness to such things is met with ridicule and scorn. Merely for emulating a life Jesus lived of which we are commanded to walk in as well.

Yet nary a word from you about our new homosexual friend who is blinded to what the Word of God says. Even the content around the verses is argued that it was only done for the dead. Nonetheless, to have it grouped together with other pagan, and occult activities should raise serious alarm bells. So you argue with people who keep God's commandments, but silent on those who don't. We don't condemn, judge others, but it is our responsibility to point out sin in others lives. Obey and I'll argue, sin and I'll keep my mouth closed. Point is, nobody knows what sin is nowadays, much to the devil's amusement.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am so disappointed that my church and my friends' church not even give recognition to the Pentacost today.
I don't know what to say, I am just disappointed.

 

[George Muller]

As I said, leave well enough alone.

So leave it alone.


JLB

Sad observation here. You give us a hard time for following things such as the Sabbath, and our testimony is it is a wonderful thing to grasp onto. Not the bondage some people declare who have no experience, or worse yet, no understanding of the context of passages about what under law is. Our joy and witness to such things is met with ridicule and scorn. Merely for emulating a life Jesus lived of which we are commanded to walk in as well.

Yet nary a word from you about our new homosexual friend who is blinded to what the Word of God says, or to Farouk who openly and proudly is recruiting others to walk a very slippery slope, and to sin when God said once to not tattoo. Even the content around the verses is argued that it was only done for the dead. Nonetheless, to have it grouped together with other pagan, and occult activities should raise serious alarm bells. So you argue with people who keep God's commandments, but silent on those who don't. We don't condemn, judge others, but it is our responsibility to point out sin in others lives. Obey and I'll argue, sin and I'll keep my mouth closed. Point is, nobody knows what sin is nowadays, much to the devil's amusement.

Yes boast in your lawkeeping and point the finger at others sins. The paharisees was experts at this sort of thing.
Ro 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[jasoncran]

actually he doesn't.he is going through what I went through briefly.some messianic jews come across as legalists. ryan isn't.they have an over zealous love for the torah and wish to worship jesus via the kosher laws and the shabat and the feasts.in time God will balance him out.

 

[JLB]

Point is, nobody knows what sin is nowadays, much to the devil's amusement.

I agree wit you there.

Yet nary a word from you about our new homosexual friend who is blinded to what the Word of God says,

Sorry, if I missed that.





Be more specific.




JLB

 

[reba]

Thread is reopened

This forum is not for game playing this thread is also closed for clean up.

 

[Ryan]

Yes boast in your lawkeeping and point the finger at others sins. The paharisees was experts at this sort of thin

If I were to sin to cause me to have a catastrophic collapse of relationship with our Creator, I pray someone would point me out to me my blindness and sin. Or in short, come into the building that is on fire and try to save me.

 

[Ryan]

I am so disappointed that my church and my friends' church not even give recognition to the Pentacost today.
I don't know what to say, I am just disappointed.

Sorry to hear that, it should be a celebration. Don't fret, our congregation had Pentecost last Sunday as there was a Yeshiva course in another town. One cannot change God's appointed times, but somehow the leadership thought they could. Nonetheless, our family watched a teaching on YouTube. Do the best with what we got, right?

 

[JLB]

I am so disappointed that my church and my friends' church not even give recognition to the Pentacost today.
I don't know what to say, I am just disappointed.

Sorry to hear that, it should be a celebration. Don't fret, our congregation had Pentecost last Sunday as there was a Yeshiva course in another town. One cannot change God's appointed times, but somehow the leadership thought they could. Nonetheless, our family watched a teaching on YouTube. Do the best with what we got, right?

Whats disappointing, is the fact that most people who want to observe the feast of Pentecost, have never been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

They would rather keep celebrating the shadow and never partake of the substance.

Ever learning, yet never experiencing the truth of what they are learning.

Now that is truly disappointing.


JLB

 

[George Muller]

Yes boast in your lawkeeping and point the finger at others sins. The paharisees was experts at this sort of thin

If I were to sin to cause me to have a catastrophic collapse of relationship with our Creator, I pray someone would point me out to me my blindness and sin. Or in short, come into the building that is on fire and try to save me.

Well maybe you should consider these scriptures?

Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mt 7:1 ¶ Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[Ryan]

George, I don't think we have met before...or have we? Kinda rude to blast people calling them Pharisees and hypocrites without a formal introduction don't you think? So before you hurl scripture at me in an attempt to correct, or maybe you aren't trying to correct, who knows what your agenda is?


Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who change darkness into light and light into darkness, who change bitter into sweet and sweet into bitter!

This thread was about the joy of us who observe the biblical Shabbat, but how quickly some come to try and dissuade us from obeying God. I would rather be divided in truth, then united in error so maybe you and I should part our separate ways?

5 more days till I get to say Shabbat Shalom to someone, way to far away.

 

[Ryan]

I am so disappointed that my church and my friends' church not even give recognition to the Pentacost today.
I don't know what to say, I am just disappointed.

Sorry to hear that, it should be a celebration. Don't fret, our congregation had Pentecost last Sunday as there was a Yeshiva course in another town. One cannot change God's appointed times, but somehow the leadership thought they could. Nonetheless, our family watched a teaching on YouTube. Do the best with what we got, right?

Whats disappointing, is the fact that most people who want to observe the feast of Pentecost, have never been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

They would rather keep celebrating the shadow and never partake of the substance.

Ever learning, yet never experiencing the truth of what they are learning.

Now that is truly disappointing.


JLB

I'm amazed with your blanket statement most people aren't Spirit filled who observe Pentecost. is the whole world in your hands? Ever been to a Pentecost celebration? Please point me to this wonderful fact you have uncovered showing Pentecost observers are not Spirit filled. please don't hide this from all to see.

 

[Ryan]

actually he doesn't.he is going through what I went through briefly.some messianic jews come across as legalists. ryan isn't.they have an over zealous love for the torah and wish to worship jesus via the kosher laws and the shabat and the feasts.in time God will balance him out.

Well not a legalist, God calls us to be kadosh, so Leviticus is a pretty good book for instructions on how to walk in holiness. In reality Jason, those three things you mentioned, are probably the three areas of differences in our walk of faith between most Torah observers and those who say they don't. Most God fearing Christians are already walking in a good portion of Torah without even realizing it. So yes, some are zealous for the law, but that isn't a bad thing.

Matthew 24:12 (CJB)

12 and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah.


I hopefully will be embarking on a study that in the first 4 chapters of Genesis, lies the foundation for the rest of scriptures. It should be fun. Besides why not study Torah, if we want to know the end, we have to start at the beginning.

Isaiah 46:10 At the beginning I announce the end, proclaim in advance things not yet done; and I say that my plan will hold, I will do everything I please to do.

 

[JLB]

Yes boast in your lawkeeping and point the finger at others sins. The paharisees was experts at this sort of thin

If I were to sin to cause me to have a catastrophic collapse of relationship with our Creator, I pray someone would point me out to me my blindness and sin. Or in short, come into the building that is on fire and try to save me.

Well maybe you should consider these scriptures?

Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mt 7:1 ¶ Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

George, Ryan was being open and humble in his comment -

If I were to sin to cause me to have a catastrophic collapse of relationship with our Creator, I pray someone would point me out to me my blindness and sin.

I don't see why you needed to "blast" him the scripture that you did.

IMHO


JLB

 

[JLB]

I am so disappointed that my church and my friends' church not even give recognition to the Pentacost today.
I don't know what to say, I am just disappointed.

Sorry to hear that, it should be a celebration. Don't fret, our congregation had Pentecost last Sunday as there was a Yeshiva course in another town. One cannot change God's appointed times, but somehow the leadership thought they could. Nonetheless, our family watched a teaching on YouTube. Do the best with what we got, right?

Whats disappointing, is the fact that most people who want to observe the feast of Pentecost, have never been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

They would rather keep celebrating the shadow and never partake of the substance.

Ever learning, yet never experiencing the truth of what they are learning.

Now that is truly disappointing.


JLB

I'm amazed with your blanket statement most people aren't Spirit filled who observe Pentecost. is the whole world in your hands? Ever been to a Pentecost celebration? Please point me to this wonderful fact you have uncovered showing Pentecost observers are not Spirit filled. please don't hide this from all to see.

Ryan,

It has been my experience that those who involved in trying to keep the Law of Moses, which includes feast days, and Sabbath days and such, are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

That has been my experience.

If I have offended you somehow, that is not my intent.

Are you baptized in the Holy Spirit?

I am just asking. Maybe you could shed some light on this subject for me.

Thanks JLB

 

[JLB]

Matthew 24:12 (CJB) 12 and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah.

12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:12-14

Ryan, Matthew 24:12 doesn't say law or Torah, nor does the context have anything to do with the law of Moses.

Why would you say such a thing.


JLB

 

[Ryan]

Whats disappointing, is the fact that most people who want to observe the feast of Pentecost, have never been Baptized in the Holy Spirit.

They would rather keep celebrating the shadow and never partake of the substance.

Ever learning, yet never experiencing the truth of what they are learning.

Now that is truly disappointing.


JLB

I'm amazed with your blanket statement most people aren't Spirit filled who observe Pentecost. is the whole world in your hands? Ever been to a Pentecost celebration? Please point me to this wonderful fact you have uncovered showing Pentecost observers are not Spirit filled. please don't hide this from all to see.

Ryan,

It has been my experience that those who involved in trying to keep the Law of Moses, which includes feast days, and Sabbath days and such, are not baptized in the Holy Spirit.

That has been my experience.

If I have offended you somehow, that is not my intent.

Are you baptized in the Holy Spirit?

I am just asking. Maybe you could shed some light on this subject for me.

Thanks JLB

What is one of the purposes of the giving of the Holy Spirit? Relevant passage can be found in Ezekiel.

 

[Ryan]

Matthew 24:12 (CJB) 12 and many people’s love will grow cold because of increased distance from Torah.

12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. Matthew 24:12-14

Ryan, Matthew 24:12 doesn't say law or Torah, nor does the context have anything to do with the law of Moses.

Why would you say such a thing.


JLB

Anomia is the Greek word here, but the opposite to that is "Nomos". Where does Nomos come from and what is it's meaning in Hebrew?