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In and out of Salvation - consequences of committing sins
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Corn Pop
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I believe im a sinner saved by Gods grace through Jesus Christ. That is all. Im a human with human nature, I never expected to automatically become some perfect righteous Jesus Zombie. I fall I get up. I struggle I get up.
There is no in and out of salvation.
Sinners saved by Gods grace and mercy.
There is no in and out of salvation.
Sinners saved by Gods grace and mercy.
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Corn Pop
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The whole christian thing asking God for forgiveness over and over or other people for forgiveness needs a reality check.
Everytime a christian prays to God for forgiveness they were already forgiven on the cross and dont need crucify Christ again as if he failed the first time and put him to shame. Nothing wrong with repent and apology as saying sorry is acknowledgement, but true faith knows forgiveness has been dealt with in the past, present, and future. Asking the Most High for forgiveness more than once is lack of faith and insecure with Christ and The Most Highs promise.
Everytime a christian asks God for forgiveness they are putting Jesus back on the cross. Puting The Most High living God to shame over and over again.
If someone appologises to me and says there sorry once again I automatically forgive them as I have been forgiven. If they ask for forgiveness they have put me to shame as they have no faith and think I may not forgive them again.
Everytime a christian prays to God for forgiveness they were already forgiven on the cross and dont need crucify Christ again as if he failed the first time and put him to shame. Nothing wrong with repent and apology as saying sorry is acknowledgement, but true faith knows forgiveness has been dealt with in the past, present, and future. Asking the Most High for forgiveness more than once is lack of faith and insecure with Christ and The Most Highs promise.
Everytime a christian asks God for forgiveness they are putting Jesus back on the cross. Puting The Most High living God to shame over and over again.
If someone appologises to me and says there sorry once again I automatically forgive them as I have been forgiven. If they ask for forgiveness they have put me to shame as they have no faith and think I may not forgive them again.
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That's not Jesus' view according to Matt 18:21-22 (NLT): 'Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”22 “No, not seven times,” Jesus replied, “but seventy times seven!"
However, there is the warning from 1 John 3:8-9 (NLT): 'But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God'.
Oz
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, Ephesians 2:19
You are no longer a sinner, but a saint, as a member of God's house, God's family.
Sinners need to repent, so that they can become a member of God's family, God's household, as a saint.
Jesus returns from heaven with the saints, not sinners.
When you repented, His blood has cleansed you from sin, and His blood continues to cleanse you from all unrighteousness as you walk with Him in this life.
If you sin, then confess your sin and be forgiven and cleansed.
You are loved by God as His very own.
JLB
sparrow
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No, we don't lose salvation when we sin. We do lose blessing and fellowship then.
smaller
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I'm not aware of anyone who ceased being a "sinner" or "sinless" to begin with. Whether by continuing or not, believers remain sinners and never were/are or will be sinless in the flesh regardless. Whether said sin shows up on the outside, where the fact of it inside shows or not is quite irrelevant to the fact that we remain sinners. We are NOT sinless, ever, in the flesh.
There are different works of sin. It is a progression from thoughts, evil, to words, evil to deeds, evil. But evil exists "in thought" form within all people, regardless of any claims to the contrary.
And this brings a believer precisely into the need of Gods Mercy and Grace in Christ, knowing what we really are inside and subject to need of Him and His Eternal conveyances. We can not make ourselves 'without' evil present within us.
Jesus was quite clear about this internal situation. It is not "an option" nor is the reality of evil thoughts "an option." Evil thoughts are an internal fact of human existence. These are NOT maybe's. These are not "optional."
Matthew 15:
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
There is no option. These things defile. It's not a maybe.
Mark 7:
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
No man has an "option" continuing in evil thoughts or not. We are quite factually bound internally with EVIL and that's all there is to it. No man escapes this conclusion of fact.
This should drive us even harder into Gods Mercy and Grace expressed in Christ, knowing our need of HIM.
But to come before Him in dishonesty, only cloaks us with hypocrisy. We do have an evil conscience, and evil present within us, regardless. Romans 7:17-21, Hebrews 10:22.
From there it's only a question of honesty, or what we might term, the Spirit of Truth or the spirit of deception. The Spirit of Truth comes honestly. The spirit of deception is the spirit of disobedience, denying evil's presence therein, within.
There is not a person of us who does not have evil present, just as the Apostle saw, truthfully, in himself, who shared with us, in honesty. Not pretending it wasn't so.
We can repent all the day long. We can supplicate. But what we can not do is eradicate the presence of evil with us. It's not on the table to be had. Not truthfully anyway. I'd rather come before our Maker in truth, than in deception, claiming what isn't so.
We can claim that believers rotate in and out of Christ all the day long. I'd see quite clearly that whatever the presence of evil claims, it won't be accepted or authorized by Christ, regardless.
This internal portion of every person, stands, condemned. It is NOT forensic, the presence of evil. We can't cut open the flesh or the mind or the heart and see evil present.
THEREFORE it is an adverse spiritual working. A working of the spirit of disobedience IN mans flesh. And it's not changing it's stripes or it's internal reality for any man.
Wrg1405
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Personally I do not think when one commits or has committed a sin loses their salvation.
If that were the case and not wishing to be irreverent but God would be using tipex constantly (in my case anyway) to blot our name from the book of life and then having to write it back in again when we repent (what if the tipex hasn't dried In between) and I don't believe God invites us to take part in a hockey cokey dance.
The concept of confession to be forgiven is from 1John 1:9 and the word is "confession" if we confess our sins he is faithful to forgive us of our sins. To confess is to agree with God that we have sinned or got it wrong
In verse 10 it says "if we have not sinned we make him a liar and his word is not in us" What is his word? Is it Jesus?
In 2 John 2:12 "I write to you little children because your sins are forgiven for his names sake"
1 John and 2 John is confusing. The main thoughts are that it was written to the Gnostics who did not beleive in confession of sin and that Jesus did not rise again and the other thoughts are that we need to confess sins to be forgiven.
As I understand it, it starts with an assertion that Jesus did rise again. So there seems to be an assertion to come against thoughts against that, I have seen him. It then goes on to say that if we say we fellowship with him yet walk in darkness then he isn't in us and we do not walk in the truth, but if walk in the light then we have fellowship with each other and the blood of his son cleanses us from all sin.
For me I don't think I have to confess my sins to be forgiven, they have already been forgiven. Simple example being that if I upset my wife by getting angry with her for the wrong reason then walked up stairs and died of a heart attack would I be in heaven? I think I would.
Now a real example. When I left work today I texted my wife and asked her to start a bath for me. When I got home the bath was running and I asked how long it's been running, not long she said. I went upstairs and the bath was full and about to overflow. So I turned off the tap came down stairs and asked what is not long in your world.
She said what about thanking me that I started your bath. I walked away had to put my hand in a boiling bath pull out the plug and then put cold water in to get into it.
When I got out the bath I went down gave her a hug and said thank you for doing my bath and thought to myself be thankfull. (realised I'd got it wrong when I came home) and she said thank you and I love you.
So to me with God it's the same. My confession is "I got it wrong, I don't want to get it wrong and I thank you that you have forgiven me, please help me"
I don't confess my sin to be forgiven but I confess because I know that I've got it wrong and have been forgiven and it restores my relationship with God. If I don't confess then I carry guilt and the truth is that there is no condemnation for those in Christ who walk with him and want to be like him.
So God says when I tell him I got it wrong or can't overcome a particular sin and I really don't want it but want to walk in the light he says your sins are forgiven on account of his name come fellowship with me and we will sort it out.
Corn Pop
Member
I dont need to question Christ and ask for forgiveness again when I know he has forgiven. I believe if I ask forgiveness over and over I am puting him to shame and on the cross again as if im questioning his forgiveness towards me in lack of faith. Im not going to question my faith and put God to shame.
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Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,Ephesians 2:19
You are no longer a sinner, but a saint, as a member of God's house, God's family.
Sinners need to repent, so that they can become a member of God's family, God's household, as a saint.
Jesus returns from heaven with the saints, not sinners.
When you repented, His blood has cleansed you from sin, and His blood continues to cleanse you from all unrighteousness as you walk with Him in this life.
If you sin, then confess your sin and be forgiven and cleansed.
You are loved by God as His very own.
JLB
Please provide biblical evidence to support your claim. Your statement here is nothing more than your personal assertion.
Jesus promotes a contrary view to what you are promoting according to Matt 18:21-22 (NLT).
B
Brother Mike
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Scripture says God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and clean us from all unrighteousness. Translated it means sin is of the devil, and members obeying the devil become his servant. (Rom 16:6)
Unrighteousness just means right standing with God, His goodness to supply need and help is based on our faith in our right standing with Him. Jesus said you need computers, cloths, more computers food, seek the Kingdom of God first (way and will of doing things) and your right standing I bought and paid for with Him. (Mat 6)
Then everything else is added unto you. Everything.
So, the acknowledgement of a known sin (We have a advocate for all those things we think are right, but are not) Means no place for the author of sin, and things made right again with God.
Known sin unchecked (violation of light) means a wide open door that leads to death as all sin produce death.
That's why we get if fixed right away. Quick to repent, quick to obey. No place for mr. devil.
Eph_4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
iLOVE
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A Believer doesn't move from being justified by faith to being unjustified by the act(s) of sin.
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4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. 10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. Hebrews 6:4-12
...but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Those who continue in the faith, steadfast to the end, inherit the promise of eternal life.
JLB
Classik
Member
Would appreciate it if you would elaborate on this.
iLOVE
Member
Paul wrote this Epistle because some Christian Jews were going back into Judaism, or seriously contemplating doing so. Spiritual adultery is a serious sin that reactivate the sin nature and sends the Believer back into bondage by trusting in things other than Christ and the Cross. 2 Cor. 11:2, Ex. 20:5; 34:14; Nah 1:2
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Nowhere in the Book of Hebrews does it say that Paul wrote that epistle.
iLOVE
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I believe Paul is the author of Hebrews.
'I believe', whether for you or for me, proves nothing when it comes to determining the author of the Book of Hebrews. What evidence is there to support such a view.
Oz
smaller
Member
No amounts of repentance, confession, contrition or works eliminates the facts of evil present and sin indwelling the flesh.
This reality of the flesh is openly transmitted to the entire world on an ongoing, continual basis, so that ALL MANKIND knows it to be A FACT. That is God, showing us the facts about what is "in man."
There is more going on that meets the surface eye. These do operate in this present world. And these, we do wrestle and battle ourselves, in our own flesh:
Ephesians 6:
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
This "wickedness" is in our own flesh in the form of indwelling sin and evil present. It's not changing it's stripes for "us" nor has God in Christ made any believer "sinless."
We move precisely onto the only solid ground whereby we can stand in these matters, knowing our condition in the flesh.
On the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ. These are our instruments of battle that He has draped us with.
Seeing ourselves or other people as the "enemies" won't compute.