RBDERRICK
Supporter
Bingo dittoes.But if faith alone CHANGES
then salvation is in jeapordy.
If adding good works to our faith, puts our salvation in jeapordy, then salvation is against living our faith.
I'm not justified by my own faith alone, nor is Jesus Christ a justifier of anyone by their faith alone.It teaches exactly what Protestants do......we are justified by only faith or yes faith alone as of right now this instant of justification.
I'm Bible justified by good works through the faith of Jesus.
Jesus' faith is never alone without works, because He is always doing those things pleasing to the Father.
True. If we repent of our sins and trespasses for Jesus' sake. His faith and justification is in a split second, and lasts unto the end of the world. If we keep His righteous faith and pure religion sanctified and unspotted by the world unto the end.The problem is that justification is an act of God, lasts a split second and then we're on our way to......
True, with ongoing righteousness and true holiness by grace through faith toward God.Ongoing justification.
Faith alone without works is dead, and faith alone with sins and trespasses is that of sinful man alone, not of Jesus Christ.
Did you mean can't be forfeited?Now it gets tricky because most denominations believe that salvation can be forfeited.
How?
By thinking that a person just continues to be justified without any WORKS.
Then we speak of Sanctification...
This is a life-long process which must also include WORKS...
Jesus' Christ's instant salvation from sinning, with repentance from sinning, is His instant sanctification and circumcsion of the Spirit, that qucikly cuts of the foresking of lust and sin from the heart and life.
It begins the life-long process of obedience, through all trials tribulation, distress, and persecution.
Disobedience ends that growth in Christ and His sonship. But there is still the Advocate for the world, to repent to and be reconciled to God.
If there's no outward sign of our repentance, no sign of a new man, how do we expect to be saved if our behavior is all Jesus spoke of?
Actually very, very few preach true salvation by faith alone, without any works ever necessary to be justified with Christ. No repentace nor works ever have anything to do with their justification. They're Christianized new age divines.
The majority are lukewarm faith aloners, that reject their own faith alone justification, the moment they begin to preach any kind works to prove their faith is 'salvific'.
Clarify when. He became justified when He offered up Isaac and was called the Friend of God. We know he became righteous, because God judged him to have kept all His commandments and statutes.I'm going through Romans 4 right now.
Abraham was saved by faith when he left Ur....he became righteous.
He was only imputed righteousness by believing God, without yet doing the work of laying with Sarah.
Romans 4 is imputed righteousness by faith without works performed, and James 2 is justification by works of faith performed.
True. Whether doing good deeds with a corrupt heart, or cleaning up one's life at one's own leisure by gradual repentance, none of those works by man alone, can justify any man with the truly righteous Lord.Works do not save because God owes nothing to anyone...He does not PAY persons to be saved.
True. The faith toward God that saves the soul, is only with repentance from all sins and trespasses for Jesus' sake.They are saved because of faith in God. Same as in the OT.
Heb 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Acts {3:19} Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Which the Bible calls repentance from dead works, which are any works of man with Christ.Verses 6, 7, 8 and 9 just states that our evil deeds have been forgiven, at that moment of justification.....
when a person decides for God and responds to His grace.
Heb 4:9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Imputed righteousness by repentance from our own works, is therefore without works, because repentance is not a work we do, but works we cease to do.
Mat 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Imputed righteousness without works, is therefore not being righteous and justified by doing the new works of faith.
Romans 4 is just saying that we're saved BY OUR FAITH
and not BY OUR WORKS (The Law).
True. Neither by faith nor works alone, but only through faith with works of God, that are no more our own.
That ceases when faith is made dead by doing evil, or not doing good. The evil is respect of persons, and no good is gracious words of love only.James is speaking regarding someone that is saved....
That is BEING SANCTIFIED, or according to the CC....is experiencing on-going justification.
1 John 3 confirms faith alone, apart from doing good, is love in word only, not in deed and truth.
True. Useless faith is dead to God, and not His Son's faith. Neither is useless love.IF we don't abide in Christ....live in Him....do as He taugth...we will be as useless as the branch that is thrown away.
Tit 3:14And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
Anyone not doing good, is not doing God's will, and anyone not loving our neighbor, is not loving God.
Gal 2:17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.But then you say JUSTIFIED BY CHRIST...
Tit 3:8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.I'd also add that even our GOOD WORKS are pretty useless.
They're very usefull to other humans and to society as a whole,
but they're useless for our salvation.
James{2:21} Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? {2:22} Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? {2:23} And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. {2:24} Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
They are profitable to men and are justified by Christ.
Bible repenting is not doing.Do you know what repent means?
Repenting IS DOING.
To people who seek to be justified only by their faith alone, apart from any works they do.Works of faith are good works.
Where are they anathama?
The thread is about the inherint failure of that search, because when any works are done by faith, they are no more jsutified by any faith alone, now having faith with works.