Inherint contradictions teaching Faith Alone

Christians are not sinners.

A sinner is a person who is separate from Christ.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26

Born again blood washed Christians are saints who are joined to Christ and are one spirit with Him.

But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17


so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. 1 Thessalonians 3:13


Sinner = wicked person
Saint = holy person.

A member on this very forum taught me that we should not call ourselves sinners but children of God.
This does not mean we don't ever sin....but just that we have entered into a different category in relationship to God.


Sinners are not close to God.
Children of God are close to God.


Agreed.
I do believe the NT teaches that we are to ask forgiveness of a known sin.
However, yes, I agree that all sins are forgiven.


Not sure I agree 100%, but it would change the topic at hand.
Just quick...I believe there is a sin that can cause death...death to our relationship to God...
that would be the sin of apostacy...or if we abandon God and cease to follow Him.


Agreed.

You're referring to Romans 7....
Paul is disturbed at this.
But then he goes on to Romans 8....
Jesus has freed us from the law of sin and death.


Agreed.

We surely are not perfect, and will not be as you've stated.
But does God see us as perfect?
I used to believe this many, many years ago, when I had left the CC and joined Protestantism.
I believed that God saw us through Jesus...that Jesus was a covering for us and God saw that and not us because man is truly infected with the sin nature and we will never become sinless.

But I've come to understand our salvation a little differently.
What I stated above would be like covering our dirt with Jesus.
I think God wants us to get rid of the dirt.
I think He sees us as children that sin and has mercy on us.

Thoughts?

I think we agree and at any fine point we might disagree are simply do to my wording of things.
My main thing is that as believers our sins are forgiven and we can better spend our time drawing closer and closer to God. When I sin I tend to beat up on myself, question my own faith and get depressed and doubt my salvation. You know what that is? It's pride in disguise. Deep down the thought eventually comes down to Jesus's work on the cross wasn't good enough. God wants us to focus on Him not our failures.

Paul called himself the foremost sinner..
 
My main thing is that as believers our sins are forgiven and we can better spend our time drawing closer and closer to God.

Yes. Sowing to the Spirit, investing our time and effort toward the things of the Spirit, such as drawing near to God in prayer, private devotion, using our eyes for that which is good such as reading the scriptures and setting our minds on things above.

Amen.


However, if we do sin we need to go to Him and confess our sins so that He will forgive us and cleanse us.
 
Sorry bro.

No commentary from men.

Scripture says … Noah became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.


Could you explain why you believe Noah was totally depraved when the scripture says he was the heir of the righteousness which is according to faith?

Notice that Noah wasn’t made the heir of the righteousness according to faith alone, but by the obedience of faith.

As it is written… By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household…

Noah operated in the principle of faith; the obedience of faith.


Yet you claim he was totally depraved.
So did Noah get drunk? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes. Does that mean that Noah didn't have faith in God? Not at all.

Brother, I do not claim anything whatsoever. I read what God said, and accept it!

"the righteousness which is by faith" — And entitled to the rewards thereof in a future and eternal world, of which his temporal deliverance, though so amazing, was only an emblem.

In other words, Noah's faith gave him a home in heaven.

“The faith of Noah is proposed for our imitation, to assure us that they who believe and obey God shall be safe in the midst of a fallen world, while the wicked shall be condemned and destroyed.”
Source: Benson Commentary.

You are wanting me to destroy the doctrine of depravity and I can not do that.
 
I think we agree and at any fine point we might disagree are simply do to my wording of things.
My main thing is that as believers our sins are forgiven and we can better spend our time drawing closer and closer to God. When I sin I tend to beat up on myself, question my own faith and get depressed and doubt my salvation. You know what that is? It's pride in disguise. Deep down the thought eventually comes down to Jesus's work on the cross wasn't good enough. God wants us to focus on Him not our failures.

Paul called himself the foremost sinner..
You said.......
" When I sin I tend to beat up on myself, question my own faith and get depressed and doubt my salvation. You know what that is? "

Yes I do........It is Satan who is oppressing you. He can not "possess" but he does oppress us.
 
I never asked you about Adam and Eve.

I asked you about Noah.

Do you believe Noah was totally depraved?

The scripture says Noah became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

That doesn’t sound like Noah was totally depraved to me.

Could you explain why you believe Noah was totally depraved when the scripture says he was the heir of the righteousness which is according to faith?
I think that what is causing you problems is because the name “total depravity” is causeing you to have wrong ideas about what is meant.

IMHO, you are equating Total Depravity concerning Noah to those who were in Genesis 6 whoc were continuelly doing evil things.

I think that you need to understand tha Total depravity is a theological term describing humanity’s moral and spiritual condition as a result of the Fall and originated with John Calvin.

It indicates that every part of our nature-mind, will, emotions, and body-has been affected by sin. It does not mean that all people are going around doing evil sins all of the time.
It does not mean every individual is as wicked as possible at all times, but that every individual has the ability to sin because we are all sinners.

Now......Did Noah get drunk and lay around naked?

Paul started in Romans and where the doctrines of grace truly begin.

Brother, do you realize that until we realize what a wretched person we truly are, and what an offense our depravity is in the holy sight of God, we will not can feel nothing in response to the atoning death of God’s Son.

You do not seem to be able to understand that without a quickened awareness of our depravity, we are Pharisees at best, though most of us are far worse. The best we can approach is a religious performance that brings glory to us and leaves us looking down on everybody else, just the way many Christians today look down on the rest of society, the Pharisee gazing down on the abortion doctor and the homosexual.
 
I think we agree and at any fine point we might disagree are simply do to my wording of things.
My main thing is that as believers our sins are forgiven and we can better spend our time drawing closer and closer to God. When I sin I tend to beat up on myself, question my own faith and get depressed and doubt my salvation. You know what that is? It's pride in disguise. Deep down the thought eventually comes down to Jesus's work on the cross wasn't good enough. God wants us to focus on Him not our failures.

Paul called himself the foremost sinner..
In fact, it was JLB that scolded me when I first joined this forum many years ago and I referred to myself as a sinner.
I DO understand the difference and am grateful for this teaching.

It's satan when we feel that we are not forgiven or do not feel good enough.
He loves to make us feel distressed.
But we give the glory to God and not to satan.
We obey God and not the wiles of satan and how he could make us feel in our humanity.

When in doubt,,,,we remember the parable of the Prodigal Son.
His father was waiting for him to return with open arms...
imagine the love of our Father if we never even left, but are in some doubt due to sin.
I like your last line: God wants us to focus on HIM and not on our failures.

We do our best.
Jesus does the rest.
 
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Brother, I do not claim anything whatsoever. I read what God said, and accept it!

Here’s what the word of God says.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


You claim is Noah was TOTALLY DEPRAVED!

Why?
 
IMHO, you are equating Total Depravity concerning Noah to those who were in Genesis 6 whoc were continuelly doing evil things.

I haven’t mentioned anyone else except Noah.
 
Here’s what the word of God says.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
Hebrews 11:7


You claim is Noah was TOTALLY DEPRAVED!

Why?
Because every human being is and why he needed a savior.
 
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