Christians are not sinners.
A sinner is a person who is separate from Christ.
For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; Hebrews 7:26
Born again blood washed Christians are saints who are joined to Christ and are one spirit with Him.
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
1 Corinthians 6:17
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. 1 Thessalonians 3:13
Sinner = wicked person
Saint = holy person.
A member on this very forum taught me that we should not call ourselves sinners but children of God.
This does not mean we don't ever sin....but just that we have entered into a different category in relationship to God.
Sinners are not close to God.
Children of God are close to God.
Agreed.
I do believe the NT teaches that we are to ask forgiveness of a known sin.
However, yes, I agree that all sins are forgiven.
Not sure I agree 100%, but it would change the topic at hand.
Just quick...I believe there is a sin that can cause death...death to our relationship to God...
that would be the sin of apostacy...or if we abandon God and cease to follow Him.
Agreed.
You're referring to Romans 7....
Paul is disturbed at this.
But then he goes on to Romans 8....
Jesus has freed us from the law of sin and death.
Agreed.
We surely are not perfect, and will not be as you've stated.
But does God see us as perfect?
I used to believe this many, many years ago, when I had left the CC and joined Protestantism.
I believed that God saw us through Jesus...that Jesus was a covering for us and God saw that and not us because man is truly infected with the sin nature and we will never become sinless.
But I've come to understand our salvation a little differently.
What I stated above would be like covering our dirt with Jesus.
I think God wants us to get rid of the dirt.
I think He sees us as children that sin and has mercy on us.
Thoughts?
I think we agree and at any fine point we might disagree are simply do to my wording of things.
My main thing is that as believers our sins are forgiven and we can better spend our time drawing closer and closer to God. When I sin I tend to beat up on myself, question my own faith and get depressed and doubt my salvation. You know what that is? It's pride in disguise. Deep down the thought eventually comes down to Jesus's work on the cross wasn't good enough. God wants us to focus on Him not our failures.
Paul called himself the foremost sinner..