Is baptism required for salvation?

[Eternally-grateful]

What does Jesus say?

Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
matt 28:19-20
Jn 20:21-23
acts 1:8

If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32

My friend

the true church would teach the teaching of God.; not the teachings of men.

Your listening to men, you put an organization above the word of God.. The jews made the same mistake so you should heed the example of their mistake

 

[Eternally-grateful]

then don't believe the five sola's of the so called reformers who had no authority except the tradition of men!

I do not trust any men.

I trust the men of the NT as given by their words inspired by God

 

[Eternally-grateful]

royal priesthood is different from the order melchisedec?
heb 7:17
and a high priest is in authority over other priests of the same order who have the same functions!

Christ's priesthood is plural!

thks

He is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

You do not even recieve his gospel.

so i would worry about that first. before you try to attack others and being lost

 

[Eternally-grateful]

no i don't agree

in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

they believed on Paul's authority as apostle and were not challenging or disputing with Him!

they certainly had no fundentalist concept of "scripture alone"!

thks

You do not test someone words. if you trust them completely.

You should do what they did

 

[donadams]

If they share the word.

should you I or anyone else put our eternity in the hands of men?

If you want to feel free. But eternity is a long time to risk getting it wrong

heb 13:7-17
(care for our souls)

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
(you can't get in on your own)


2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
(administered by men)

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Jn 29:21-23

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

(same power and authority as Christ)

 

[Eternally-grateful]

heb 13:7-17
(care for our souls)

2 pet 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
(you can't get in on your own)


2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
(administered by men)

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Jn 29:21-23

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

(same power and authority as Christ)

sir

The jews were the church of the OT. they held everything and were gods representatives.

they used the same argument you are using.

They took this to their deaths and many of them will regret doing this.

You want to talk to me about the word. feel free

You want to try to force a church at me. when they do not even follow the word.. then we really have nothing to say

Like I have told many a person. if an organization, church, pastor or whoever tells you to listen to them only. That is a sign to rin, because they have something to hide.

Gods true church does not have to focus on itself. it would focus on God and those truly seeking God will find them

 

[donadams]

My friend

the true church would teach the teaching of God.; not the teachings of men.

Your listening to men, you put an organization above the word of God.. The jews made the same mistake so you should heed the example of their mistake

the apostolic church is of divine origin founded by Christ and its teachings is the divine tradition!

thks

 

[Eternally-grateful]

the apostolic church is of divine origin founded by Christ and its teachings is the divine tradition!

thks

well its not the catholic church..

Again, If they were the true church they would teach the words of Christ. not a paganized form of the word. and again, they would not need to defend themselves or tell people to listen to them only.

Again, that should be a red flag for anyone listening.

 

[donadams]

I do not trust any men.

I trust the men of the NT as given by their words inspired by God

in person or just what they wrote?

the apostles are God breathed!

Jn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

 

[donadams]

He is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

You do not even recieve his gospel.

so i would worry about that first. before you try to attack others and being lost

no attack we are not enemies
just seeking biblical faith

All Christians are to be of one mind, one heart, one spirit:

Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8
Jude 1:3


Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[donadams]

sir

The jews were the church of the OT. they held everything and were gods representatives.

they used the same argument you are using.

They took this to their deaths and many of them will regret doing this.

You want to talk to me about the word. feel free

You want to try to force a church at me. when they do not even follow the word.. then we really have nothing to say

Like I have told many a person. if an organization, church, pastor or whoever tells you to listen to them only. That is a sign to rin, because they have something to hide.

Gods true church does not have to focus on itself. it would focus on God and those truly seeking God will find them

only one church! Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

most of what you speak of is hearsay and misconceptions misunderstandings

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable authority & unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:4-5 eph 5:24 Jn 20:21-23
(The apostolic church possesses the authority of Christ, it is Christ acting thru His church)
matt 28:19-20

Jesus Christ established the papacy, His church (the only ark of salvation)on Peter (matt 16:18-19) and the apostles (eph 2:20) to teach and sanctify all men by the sacraments the means of grace!

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

 

[Fish153]

the apostolic church is of divine origin founded by Christ and its teachings is the divine tradition!

thks

It's interesting to note that all of the Epistles are written TO the church----they are not FROM the church. The Word of God is the FINAL AUTHORITY, not TRADITION.

 

[donadams]

I do not trust any men.

I trust the men of the NT as given by their words inspired by God

you cannot baptize yourself?

we must be received into the mystical body of Christ!

only men can this!

 

[RandyK]

The giving of the Spirit was a private experience during the old covenant. Kings, priests, and prophets in particular were privy to this experience. And, IMO, so were every other genuinely believing person before the Day of Pentecost. The sending of the Spirit in power became a public, revealed truth with the resurrection of Christ.

I think what made the New Covenant "Baptism of the Spirit" a more "public event" was not that spiritual life in the believer was any different in terms of God's relationship with men or with respect to exporting God's character into men. Rather, it was the fact that the gift of the Spirit came with a newly acquired impartation of Eternal Life legally, such that men could not be viewed not merely as "servants," but much more, as "sons and daughters."

Not to be omitted from this is the empowerment that came with becoming sons and daughters, that we be enabled to witness to Christ, not just as a healer or miracle worker, but much more, as the imparter of all that goes with becoming sons and daughters and the recipients of Eternal Life. That is, in the New Covenant, the Spirit becomes a power to witness to all that Christ represents, as the giver of Eternal Life to men, the forgiveness of sins, as well as the fruits of the Spirit, displaying the character of Christ in our lives.

I would also say that the Spirit empowers men to use Christ's own authority to perform and accomplish God's purpose on earth through the Church. It's power to witness to Christ, and power to work with Christ.

In my view, John the Baptist made this particular "Baptism of the Spirit" supremely more important than Water Baptism, something that he marginalized in his own ministry when he refused to baptize Jesus. However, Jesus supported Water Baptism as a satisfactory "initiation ceremony" into the Christian faith by those who had not lived by it previously.

Obviously, this would've excluded Jesus' Disciples themselves at that time, who were in fact walking with Christ, needing to repent only of the more minor aspects of our sin-infected life, including unloving behavior, as opposed to crimes, immorality, theft, and murder. Jesus told Peter he didn't need his "whole body" washed, but only his "feet" at one point.

 

[Eternally-grateful]

in person or just what they wrote?

The word of God is inspirited. its the only thing we can trust.

the apostles are God breathed!

Jn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, andspeak face to face, that our joy may be full.

That does not mean he wanted to tell them different doctrines or different truths.

Go outside the word. at your own risk

 

[Eternally-grateful]

no attack we are not enemies
just seeking biblical faith

All Christians are to be of one mind, one heart, one spirit:

Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8
Jude 1:3


Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

how can we be of one mind when one of us follows a church that calls itself from God.

and another group studies the word. to shew themselves approved. and sees most of what that church teaches is not even found in the word. or contradicts it?

 

[Eternally-grateful]

only one church! Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

most of what you speak of is hearsay and misconceptions misunderstandings

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable authority & unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:4-5 eph 5:24 Jn 20:21-23
(The apostolic church possesses the authority of Christ, it is Christ acting thru His church)
matt 28:19-20

Jesus Christ established the papacy, His church (the only ark of salvation)on Peter (matt 16:18-19) and the apostles (eph 2:20) to teach and sanctify all men by the sacraments the means of grace!

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

Yes only one church

It will teach the word of God

want to know what that church us, Study to show yourself approved.

Don't blindly follow some church

 

[Eternally-grateful]

you cannot baptize yourself?

we must be received into the mystical body of Christ!

only men can this!

Actually God baptized me into the body of Christ.

My pastor baptized me into water a year later

 

[donadams]

It's interesting to note that all of the Epistles are written TO the church----they are not FROM the church. The Word of God is the FINAL AUTHORITY, not TRADITION.

scripture is tradition!
2 thes 2:15
and the apostles were taught by Christ in person three years (tradition)

acts 8:30 the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him (tradition)
btw how did the eunuch know about baptism?

your doctrine of "sola scriptura" is of the tradition of men being invented by the excommunicated heretic wicliffe! so you can't believe it!

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what is truth?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide doctrine?

where does scripture say we have a right to decide what constitutes the faith of Christians?

where does scripture say that scripture is the only authority?

where does scripture say that scripture is the only infallible authority?

where does scripture say that scripture is the ultimate authority?

The Canon of scripture was selected by the apostolic authority of Christ in the council of Rome and approved (by the pope) in 381-2

or Please provide a basis for the current New Testament canon that is independent of the Apostolic tradition transmitted though the Roman Catholic Church by the authority of Christ in the person of the pope! Matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19

Christ did not establish a publishing house, He established a church the household of faith! 1 tim 3:15

Christ founded a church to teach and sanctify all men! Matt 26:18-19 matt 28:19.

thks

 

[donadams]

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If you believe scripture you would believe the teaching of the apostolic church which alone possesses the authority of Jesus Christ in union with Jesus Christ! matt 28:19-20 matt 16:18:19 Jn 20:21-23 acts 1:1-8

Christ is the light! (Truth)
Jn 8:12

The church he founded is also the light as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 5:14

Christ is the teacher!
Heb 1:1-3

The church He founded is also our teacher as an extension and command of Christ! Matt 18:17

Christ is the truth!
Jn 14:6

Must Hear Christ!
matt 3:17

Must hear the Church!
Matt 18:17 matt 28:19 acts 1:8

The church He founded is also the pillar of truth as an extension and command of Christ! 1 tim 3:15

The gates of hell SHALL NOT prevail against the one, holy, Catholics,
& apostolic church founded by Christ on peter and the apostles!
Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach & sanctify all men unto eternal salvation of all men!

Christ and His church are one: Acts 9:4 mystical communion: eph 5:32