Is Calvinism of the Bible?

[beloved57]

I S T E N C A R E F U L L Y. They became like beasts by living like beasts. They will be destroyed like beasts who are only made to be eaten because they live like beasts who only live to be destroyed. Do you know how cattle raised to be eaten live their lives? They eat and sleep and mate and they have no concerns but satisfying their own needs, until the day they die. They are unlike a horse or a dog who seeks to please his master.

Quit your lies and scripture twisting thats a work of satan..peter says they were made to be taken and be destroyed..BOW TO SCRIPTURE !!

2 pet 2:

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

BOW NOW!!

 

[francisdesales]

Yes your lie , because you dont understand the truth what God deires He does pal

Job 23:

13But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

My lie... :P You should go into comedy.

Your verse says nothing about what we are speaking of: That God desires all men to be saved. As usual, the Calvinist must destroy the context of Scriptures, removing bits and pieces to construct a terrible liar of a god, one who creates so as to destroy, and then CLAIMS that he desires all men to be saved. One must ask your god - "Make up your mind".

You are the one who does not understand Scriptures. I see how conveniently you ignore Scriptures that you dislike. You have still not been able to explain WHY God would create creatures that He hates - nor have you explained how God desires all men to be saved - and then turns around and creates creatures made for the sole purpose of being eternally tormented. You ignore them because your position is senseless.

And then, in the same breath, you have the gall to say your god is a god of love???

Double talk. That's what I get from Calvinists. The system utterly fails when subjected to a little bit of questioning.

Your constant resort to calling me a liar just goes to show how "elect" you truly are.

 

[Veritas]

Hmm.... I feel like I should post this verse. ....Let's us see God's passion for the lost:

'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die? Ezekiel 33:11

 

[Vic C.]

beloved57,

this is a second reminder, because you disagree with the views, beliefs and opinions of other members does not grant you the right to insult them in the way you do above.

4 - No Trolling:
You will not post anything that disrupts the peace and harmony of this forum. Don't make inflammatory remarks just to get a response.

5 - Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

6 - No Bashing of other members. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

 

[beloved57]

vic says

this is a second reminder, because you disagree with the views, beliefs and opinions of other members does not grant you the right to insult them in the way you do above.

4 - No Trolling:
You will not post anything that disrupts the peace and harmony of this forum. Don't make inflammatory remarks just to get a response.

5 - Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

6 - No Bashing of other members. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.
beloved57,

this is a second reminder, because you disagree with the views, beliefs and opinions of other members does not grant you the right to insult them in the way you do above.

4 - No Trolling:
You will not post anything that disrupts the peace and harmony of this forum. Don't make inflammatory remarks just to get a response.

5 - Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

6 - No Bashing of other members. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

Lol Jesus and paul and john the baptist would get kicked off your forum lol

Look at these:

acts 13

9Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.
I believe he made it personal to him..lol
10And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

matt 3

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Gee John should not you be more Loving ? why the name calling lol..

matt 12

34O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

oh gee Jesus did you not say we should love our enemies, .. :crazyeyes:

give me a break if I can prove that jesus and paul called men names why should you object ?

 

[Orion]

I have a question for you, beloved57. . . . . . . how do YOU know you're "one of the elect"? How can you be certain, even though you strive to be so? All your studying and quoting, and even good feelings of being an elected person, . . . . you can't be certain, can you? You can follow all the rules, see yourself as one, but wouldn't it be rather arrogant as to speak for God? Just because you believe it, does that necessarily mean that you're an elect?

 

[beloved57]

I have a question for you, beloved57. . . . . . . how do YOU know you're "one of the elect"? How can you be certain, even though you strive to be so? All your studying and quoting, and even good feelings of being an elected person, . . . . you can't be certain, can you? You can follow all the rules, see yourself as one, but wouldn't it be rather arrogant as to speak for God? Just because you believe it, does that necessarily mean that you're an elect?

The elect know by faith , the just shall live by faith also the elect have been chosen to believe the truth 2 thess 2:


But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The elect believe the truth about the person and work of jesus christ that is who he is , what he has accomplished , and for whom he accomplished it for..

That why peter writes to those who have ?

2 pet

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

also titus


Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So the elect know by faith and by being brought to believe the truth..

 

[francisdesales]

The elect know by faith , the just shall live by faith also the elect have been chosen to believe the truth

The elect are as such because they LIVE by faith, not talk about it.

You know, like not calling everyone a liar who disagrees with your interpretation of Scriptures...

If all it took was mere belief, self-delusion would be the ticket into heaven. However, God sends His Spirit to us to transform us and our way of life. If you aren't living the faith, you are merely deluding yourself.

Regards

 

[beloved57]

You know, like not calling everyone a liar who disagrees with your interpretation of Scriptures...

well He sure has not transformed your wicked devilish lies and false doctrine..

Gal 1:

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 

[Orion]

Uh, . . . . . so. . . by YOUR faith, you have put a thought in God's mind that you are "one of the elect"? :-? Again, . . . how do YOU know that God has elected YOU? Is it possible for someone to know about God, . . . very well, yet not be "one of the elect"? How do you know that YOU are, just because you just happen to believe it so radically?

Fact is, . . . .since you don't know the mind of this god you follow, . . . you can't.

God, however, in his love for all men, doesn't play favorites. That's the good news.

As a side note to your ultra-Calvinism, so, if God elects people for salvation, then there is no reason for missionaries to go to foreign lands. These "elect" will be in Heaven anyway.

 

[francisdesales]

Uh, . . . . . so. . . by YOUR faith, you have put a thought in God's mind that you are "one of the elect"? :-? Again, . . . how do YOU know that God has elected YOU? Is it possible for someone to know about God, . . . very well, yet not be "one of the elect"? How do you know that YOU are, just because you just happen to believe it so radically?

Orion,

This is just another example, as I have said before, of the double-speak of Calvinism...

"God is sovereign", they say... "All follows God's sovereignty".

and then, in the next sentence, "I am of the elect going to heaven no matter what I do" - because THEY said so...

THEY are sovereign, not God. God owes them salvation, apparently, because they WILL it so.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

You know, like not calling everyone a liar who disagrees with your interpretation of Scriptures...

well He sure has not transformed your wicked devilish lies and false doctrine..

Gal 1:

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

Be sure you remember that verse when you appear before the Judgment Seat of God, my protester friend... The Gospel has already been preached, and for 1500 years before Mr. Jean Calvin began preaching another gospel of nonsense.

I see this is going nowhere, since you aren't going to answer my questions, so please don't bother writing me anymore about my status with Christ. IF you were consistent with the application of your theology, you would realize that no matter what I wrote, I would already be elect, so this merely reflects further the inconsistency and double-speak of Calvinism.

Regards

 

[Veritas]

God, however, in his love for all men, doesn't play favorites. That's the good news.

Agreed, people are not lost because God didn't try saving them, that would make it His fault.

People are lost wholely on their own stubborness.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Matthew 23:37

 

[Drew]

This is just another example, as I have said before, of the double-speak of Calvinism...

And I might as well pile on too in this regard.

It has been my experience that, on the one hand, Calvinists appeal to the over-arching sovereignty of God, arguing that no entity in the universe (other than God, of course) has a will whose content is in any sense "free", and yet they also deploy concepts of "moral culpability" and "guilt", concepts whose very content requires the existence of free will.

In other words, some Calvinists will want to say:

"Fred is morally responsible for his actions"

when an analysis of their view of the sovereignty of God really cashes out to this:

"Fred's actions are fully determined by an agency outside of Fred - namely God"

I assume readers see the problem here.

On a conciliatory note: I invite any and all Calvinists to explain how what I have written is a misrepresentation of what they believe.

 

[beloved57]

This is just another example, as I have said before, of the double-speak of Calvinism...

And I might as well pile on too in this regard.

It has been my experience that, on the one hand, Calvinists appeal to the over-arching sovereignty of God, arguing that no entity in the universe (other than God, of course) has a will whose content is in any sense "free", and yet they also deploy concepts of "moral culpability" and "guilt", concepts whose very content requires the existence of free will.

In other words, some Calvinists will want to say:

"Fred is morally responsible for his actions"

when an analysis of their view of the sovereignty of God really cashes out to this:

"Fred's actions are fully determined by an agency outside of Fred - namely God"

I assume readers see the problem here.

On a conciliatory note: I invite any and all Calvinists to explain how what I have written is a misrepresentation of what they believe.

God created you a sinner and then He is going to punish you for your sins . thats right..thats what the man in rom 9 was hollering about..But it aint nothing you can do about it, but hope you are elect, if not you doomed..

 

[beloved57]

Agreed, people are not lost because God didn't try saving them,

Good luck next time god ! a saviour who failed to save incredible..

 

[GraceBwithU]

Beloved57,

You speak a lot about the elect.
I understand who the elect are. I’m curious about what you perceive them to be.

Could you please just answer a few questions for the people here? It may get things back on track if you do.

Who is the scripture talking about below?

Isa 45:4
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Rev 7:3
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Who is Jesus taking to below?

John 6:70
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

John 15:16
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Who is Jesus referring to below?

Matt 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Please think carefully about your answer before you call me the devil for asking
:D

 

[francisdesales]

God created you a sinner and then He is going to punish you for your sins . thats right..thats what the man in rom 9 was hollering about..But it aint nothing you can do about it, but hope you are elect, if not you doomed..

The awful truth of Calvinism comes out...

God is the author of sin.

See where this leads? Pagan determinism, fate, and God as being the creator of evil.

Good grief. You clearly do not know the Scriptures.

 

[francisdesales]

Agreed, people are not lost because God didn't try saving them,

Good luck next time god ! a saviour who failed to save incredible..

Have you ever considered that God makes salvation contingent upon our response to Him? Even the "faith alone" people would admit that much...

But since you refuse to believe the obvious, that man has free will, it is not surprising that you cannot comprehend that God desires men to be saved, giving them all the graces necessary without overpowering their free will. You must then concoct the liar god who says one thing and does another... A god who creates things that he hates... A god who demands obedience but doesn't give men the ability to obey. A god of "love" who creates men that he willingly sends to hell without any reason.

Your position is one founded on sand because it cancels itself out. You've been fooled.

 

[beloved57]

frans ask

Have you ever considered that God makes salvation contingent upon our response to Him?

No..thats devilish heresy..

Even the "faith alone" people would admit that much...

prov 14

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

But since you refuse to believe the obvious, that man has free will, it is not surprising that you cannot comprehend that God desires men to be saved

And what you dont comprehend is that what God desires :

Job 23:

But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

You serve a worthless idol.. :crazyeyes: