You don't agree with me that Christ is God???
You don't agree with me that Christ died and rose from the dead?
You don't agree with me that Christ was both man and God?
You don't agree with me that God is in three persons?
You don't agree with me that your at saved by faith?
WOW
Your saying
He does not interfere with the natural sequence of things is duelism (the division of something conceptually into two opposed or contrasted aspects); that God does not control
the natural sequence of things is saying some unknown force controls
the natural sequence of things. This contradicts Col. 1:16-17
There is not scripture in the bible to support this contention. It is a vain attempt by liberals to defend God using anthropocentric ideals.
Agreed ...
whereas you contend that God allows sin but does not control it.
I contend God allows sin but does control it.
whereas you contend that God controls us completely
you contend that we control God, though incompletely
I agree that God does not create sin and is not responsible for sin.
I contend
in God there is no darkness means God cannot love (favor) sin (those who will not be saved)
You contend
in God there is no darkness means God can love (favor) sin (those who will not be saved)
You contend what I say makes no sense
I contend what I say you cannot make sense of (As Hospes I am sure would agree)
This is a false statement. Although you are not as capable as God, you have the ability to find and save some people that would, without your intervention, physically die earlier. Thus, your stance is hypocritical as you ascribe it to be an incorrect doctrine to think God takes not action to save some people, but when you when you take not action to save some people physically ...well, that's different. How convenient.
In simply terms, God lets some people die and you let some people die. When God does it you say that not right, when you do it ... well, that's O.K.
LOL ... a just God is defined by whatever God decides to do. He defines justice. He would be just to let everyone go to hell without exception. You define God's justice in human terms ...He has to be fair and give everyone a equal chance to be saved or God is not just. Poppy-cock (excuse bad language ... giggles)
The 1232 N.A. Indian does not
KNOW HOW we can be saved ... this empirical evidence shows your logic is faulty. The fact that you are a Christian with access to God's word and yet you can't tell us the content of faith for a 1232 N.A. Indian should be is further proof.
I said, "You believe God could have all people who will not believe salvifically die in infancy. "
So, what part of my statement is incorrect ???
1. That God does not know who will have faith ?????
or 2. God could save those whom he knows will not have faith in adulthood by having them die in infancy
or 3. Infants don't go to heaven?
Agreed.
You don't even understand that the Westminster Confession of Faith says God control all things yet is
not the author
of sin. In plain English is says
God is not the author of sin and yet you say Reform theology says God is the author of sin. This is not a matter of understanding reformed theology, it is a matter of understanding English.
Example:
I say 1 + 1 = 2
you would say, well Fred never said 1 + 1 = 2
Reformed theology says
God is not the author of sin (Westminster Confession, Baptist Confession)
You say Reformed theology says
God is the author of sin
This is not rational
I say God allows evil and controls evil and this is not sinful
You say God allows evil and does not control evil as that would be sinful
I say Genesis 50:20, Acts 2:23 and Acts 4:27-28 show how God control evil for good
You say IMO, there is not verse in the bible to substantiate my claim that God does not control evil
I'd say many Christians are confused. Calvinists are less confused as their doctrine is more systematic.
Ridiculous, Calvinists and non-calvinists understanding comes from the same Bible. Both get some things wrong.
Biblical 'true' from your perspective. I agree that you are not necessarily wrong because I think you are.
http://vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html ...it's the Baptist confession which came from the WCF and is almost the same. I don't agree with the baptism of babies so I favor the Baptist confession (not a big thing)
WCF:
https://bpc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/D-ConfessionOfFaith.pdf
Ridiculous ...
Calvinism believes Christ died and rose again. I don't think you mean to say "I do not agree with Calvinism AT ALL."
The question is based on a false premise, possibly indicating again that you don't understand Reformed Theology. Reformed Theology believes in compatibilism, not "TRICKING" people. I've never heard to the doctrine of TRICKING PEOPLE. You don't understand Reformed Theology.
Fastfredy0
Hi FF,
I think we need to narrow our scope a little.
Also, I'd like to say that if you tire of speaking about this, you can stop at any time...
No hard feelings. Friends as before, we say here.
This I SAID, YOU SAID, and you calling me hypocritical and telling me I don't understand
has to stop.
Could we do our best to use biblical verses and scripture?
This thread is about man's free will.
Does man have a real choice or not?
It's a simple question.
Did Adam have free will?
Was it taken away from him and mankind after the fall?
What makes you believe what you believe?