Is preaching once saved always saved helpful..

[Orthodoxy]

[quote:dbbd1]Jesus said that? umm. OK. That is a good verse that backs up my point, thanks. It is this knowledge that will help us endure but is no guarentee we will make it to the end.

Then you didn't read the scripture properly - take another look.

It most certainly makes my point that there are no guarentees until one "endures to the end" seems to me that is why John is writting this. But I am happy to let you have your way.

So that we keep our faith in Jesus Christ! Which I do. No I don't run the race - Christ runs it and it's no longer I that liveth but Christ than liveth in me.[/quote:dbbd1]

Yes you said that and you are free to have it your way.

I think this discussion has reached a zeinth so I will stop while I am behind you in the race.

Have a nice Sunday.

Orthodoxy

 

[von]

I can not help but recall Ezekiel 3:18-21-
When I say unto the wicked, thou shalt surely die: and thou givest him warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; but his blood will I require at thy hand.
Yet is thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedmess, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned: also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Our walk with God is very important. If we think that we are going to live unholy and unrighteous and because one day, long ago, we said Jesus, come into my heart, He in turn is going to let us into his holy kingdom, we are greatly mistaken.

 

[Orthodoxy]

I can not help but recall Ezekiel 3:18-21-
When I say unto the wicked, thou shalt surely die: and thou givest him warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; but his blood will I require at thy hand.
Yet is thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedmess, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned: also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Our walk with God is very important. If we think that we are going to live unholy and unrighteous and because one day, long ago, we said Jesus, come into my heart, He in turn is going to let us into his holy kingdom, we are greatly mistaken.

von,

Paul states the great burden that lays on my heart.

Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

I say the truth. My heart is ever heavy and terribly sorrowed that if I could trade my seat in the Kingdom that just one of my former protestant brothers and sisters be saved, I would. May God grant my request and joy would enter my heart.

In love,

Kyril

 

[Solo]

I can not help but recall Ezekiel 3:18-21-
When I say unto the wicked, thou shalt surely die: and thou givest him warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; but his blood will I require at thy hand.
Yet is thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedmess, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Again, when a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned: also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Our walk with God is very important. If we think that we are going to live unholy and unrighteous and because one day, long ago, we said Jesus, come into my heart, He in turn is going to let us into his holy kingdom, we are greatly mistaken.

Von,
You just uncovered the reason that some believers hold that one can loose their salvation once born again. They contend that salvation is based on their works, as opposed to the works of the Spirit of God. You stated "If we think that we are going to live unholy and unrighteous and because one day, long ago, we said Jesus, come into my heart, He in turn is going to let us into his holy kingdom, we are greatly mistaken." A believer is not going to enter the Kingdom of God based on his own works. A believer is going to enter the Kingdom of God based on Jesus works. A believer's righteousness is as filthy rags before God, but Jesus' righteousness is RIGHTEOUS and HOLY. Thank God that it is Jesus RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS that is imputed to us, and not our own.

An unbeliever is made up of a Flesh-born physical and spirit, while a believer has been born again from the Spirit and is made up of a Flesh-born physical and spirit, a Spirit of God-born spirit, and a promise of a coming of a NEW Spirit of God-born Flesh(the same as Jesus resurrected body) at the day of redemption.

What portion of a believer's Spirt-born, New-creature is unrighteous and unholy?
What portion of a believer's Flesh-born, Old-creature is unrighteous and unholy?

A believer's Spirit-born, New-creature is righteous and holy; and as a believer walks in the Spirit according to the scripture he/she will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. A believer's Flesh-born, Old-creature is unrighteous and unholy; and as a result this immortal, corrupt flesh will die. Because the individual has the Spirit-born, New-creature incorporated into his/her being, the righteousness and holiness of Jesus Christ is imputed to them, never to leave. The Flesh Old-Creature may leave the works of God, but the Spirit New-Creature never will. When one begins reading the scriptures from the perspective that man can do NOTHING to save himself, and that GOD ALONE can save man, then the truth will begin to sink in.
God bless you and yours,
Michael

 

[von]

Oh, you are so right. We can not save ourself. But those who are "saved" are to walk after righteousness. This is why Paul states, walk not after the flesh. It seems to me that by asking Jesus to forgive our sins and then continuing to live the same life would be making a mockery out of the crucifixion. I am not saying that when we get saved we are perfect and don't fall and make mistakes and then have to get up, repent, and go on.
Paul speaks of babes being on the milk and older christians being on the meat. Well, if you are still living as a new born Christian then how can you digest the meat?

 

[Solo]

Oh, you are so right. We can not save ourself. But those who are "saved" are to walk after righteousness. This is why Paul states, walk not after the flesh. It seems to me that by asking Jesus to forgive our sins and then continuing to live the same life would be making a mockery out of the crucifixion. I am not saying that when we get saved we are perfect and don't fall and make mistakes and then have to get up, repent, and go on.
Paul speaks of babes being on the milk and older christians being on the meat. Well, if you are still living as a new born Christian then how can you digest the meat?

Von,
Thanks for the post and the opportunity to expound upon the understanding that I have now, as I used to believe as you do now.

Jesus died for our sins when we were yet sinners. He established us into the Kingdom as joint heirs because of His work, not because of our work. After we believed and became born of the Spirt, born again, are we on a rollercoaster ride; you're going to hell, now you're not, now you're going to hell, now you're not, now you're going to hell, now you are not? NO. Jesus paid the price so that the sinful flesh will die, but the New Creature will have eternal life with God. Is it man's works that get him to heaven? NO. Does the life of a believer where sin is paid for until he/she is redeemed a mockery of God's crucifiction, or does it show the power of the cross of which we are redeemed? It shows the power of God's grace to be able to overcome the flesh, the world, and sin.

Are those babes that are on the milk of the word in Christ Jesus? YES.
Are they bound for hell if they sin? NO. Those that are babes in Christ Jesus that are not able to digest the meat of the Word have sin blocking them from understanding right doctrine or advanced doctrine. Are they going to heaven or hell if they die in that state? HEAVEN. Because of their works? NO, because of the work of Jesus Christ.

A Christian's life is one of perseverance, repentance, right living, etc.
It is the norm for a believer to not do the things that he/she should do, and to do the things that he/she should not do. O wretched man/woman that we are!!!! If it was not for the righteousness of Jesus Christ being imputed to us, we would fail and no one would enter the gates of heaven. Paul said that since grace abounds where it covers more sin, should we continue in sin so that grace may abound? NO. We should not continue in sin. What happens if we do sin are we lost to an unbeliever's hell. NO.

Jesus said that he would never leave us! Paul says that we will sin while in the flesh. You and I can not live the rest of our fleshly existance on this earth without sinning. I once thought it possible and believed that one could live experiencing the power of Christ not to sin. I could not. Then the scriptures that point to a belief of not being able to repent and crucify the Son of God contradicted what I believed. After studying the Word for three years, I became convinced that my salvation depended on the work of Jesus Christ and not my works because I am not able. Jesus is able and I praise him for it.

If sin can now send a believer to hell, what sin is it? Can a believer be unborn again? How? By sinning? NO. A believer has been born again, and the righteousness of Jesus has been imputed to him/her. Jesus paid the penalty of ALL sins, past, present, and future.

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:1-2

What sin can I commit that will send me to hell? Am I going to hell after committing that sin because I did not go offer a sacrifice to God at the Levite alter? Was the sacrifice that Jesus paid not strong enough to pay for ALL of my sins? Did Jesus only pay for the sins that I committed before becoming a believer? Who will pay for my sins after I have become a believer? Do believers commit sin or are they little Jesus's immediately after being saved where they will commit no sins?

I am saved by the shed blood of Jesus Christ and there is no stronger means by which one can be saved. I have and will sin until the day of redemption because of the wretched man that I am. I am not nor will I be perfect, prior to the coming of Jesus Christ. I have a choice to walk in the Spirit or walk in the Flesh. Which will I choose? It is moment by moment, not day by day, or week by week. If I were a Roman Catholic, I would have to live at the Church constantly taking mass in hopes that I wouldn't die prior to committing a mortal sin.

I have no fear of going to hell because Jesus saved me from such a place. I accept his plan because it is so much better than anything that I could dream up.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Romans 7:14-25

God bless you and yours,
Michael

 

[Solo]

It would be impossible to see God saying that 'He does not change', and being the same 'yesterday, today and Forever' with an O.S.A.S. theology only in the N.T.? And there is 'Nothing New' He states???

The Holy Spirit was VERY ACTIVE from day one of Gen. 1 on!! The Purpose of the Holy Spirit [IS] to uplift Christ. Christ was ONLY present in the Old Testament while He was in Israel's presence. Cloud by day & pillar of fire by night. After Christ's death & return & acceptance by the GodHead, (remember-touch me not?) He SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT to make HIM everywhere present! He, the Holy Spirit, DID NOT TESTIFY [of] Himself.

[*STILL IT WAS ALWAYS TO BE CHRIST PUT INTO ONES HEART THAT WAS TO BE DONE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!] What purpose do you see in the Holy Spirits STRIVING UPON MAN to accept CHRIST in Gen. 6:3 if MAN CANNOT YIELD AND LET CHRIST IN??? See Romans 8:1 & the SAVED ones again from these O.T. Born Again ones by faith of Hebrews 11:13!! And LED by CHRIST (which is EQUAL too & in UNITY with the Holy Spirit) in the Cloud & pillar of Fire, COMPARE Romans 8:14.

How was poor Nicodemus, and ALL OTHERS from Christ's past fold to be Born Again if it was not possible to be so??? Christ stated "THAT YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"!!! All would have been DOOMED from Christ back, if that was not a possibility!! No, it could be done, and it was done, just in a more local way is all. Being Born Again RECREATES CHRIST INTO THE HEART! 2 Corinthians 3:3 The O.T. is FULL of such ones as this! King David was only one such person. Yet, his writings are of such love for
So in the N.TA. Christ is EVERYWHERE able to save at the same time.

In the O.T. individuals were saved by being in the PRESENCE of Christ only. The END result was wanting for CHRIST to be placed INTO THE HEART BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! (or the Holy Ghost) Question mark is for you to answer, who is the greater????? CHRIST OR THE HOLY SPIRIT? Answer is folly! THEY ARE [GOD] as well as, who we CALL FATHER! {GODHEAD!]

So, the BOTTOM LINE as has been stated, is that as David for one was CONVERTED AND HAD THE LAW OF GOD WRITTEN IN HIS HEART, one on one, so were ALL of the saved in O.T. (Hebrews 11:13) And in the N.T. time God could now do this work omnipresent by the Holy Spirit. Remember again that this work was to UPLIFT WHO? CHRIST & not Himself!!

Remember that satan was the prince of earth after Adam fell, and the Godhead worked with this handicap until Christ again bought back Adams failure. Read Matthew 4:8-9. This is what changed at Christ's FINISHED work!

Ask yourself: Did more miracles get done after Christ's departure than during His stay on earth, even in the O.TA. church? OK: Now ask yourself if ANY OF THESE MIRACLES were more POWERFUL than those that Christ Himself did? The BLIND SEE! The Leper CURED? The LAME WALK? THE DEAD RAISED TO LIFE? (the Conversion of me, if you ONLY knew!)

No. The Holy Spirit in Christ (AS CHRIST MAN) was only a little bit hampered because of mans sin until Christ bought back Adams boundary line. (earth) See Christ's Words again now, of Matthew 4:9-10. This WAS TRUE, until Christ defeated satan at the cross! This is what Christ FINISHED!!

---John

You really ought to study the covenant of the Law, and the covenant of Grace. It may open your eyes.

God uses faith in all of the covenants, but if one's understanding of how God works with man throughout history is wrong, then one's understanding of his dealings with man today could be wrong as well.
Why was the temple curtain rent into two pieces? Why was the circumcision stopped? Why was the eating of meats changed? How did Jesus fulfill the Law?

 

[Merry Menagerie]

[quote="Merry Menagerie":129ed]So faith is a gift from God and faith is going to endure us to the end. So therefore it's God who endures us Yes we know the outcome for if we didn't then Jesus should never have said...

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Also through my faith in the finished work on Jesus Christ I know that it's Christ who has already run the race and won it for me. So I abide in Him for His endurance and preservation to be manifest in me

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Finished?[/quote:129ed]

Yep!! Jesus said with his dying breath on the cross "It is finished" you either believe it or you don't. I you believe in it then you will trust in it and he will be the one to bring to the finish line. If you don't then you will have to be the one to run the race all on your very lonesome - good luck to you...you're going to need it

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Good work Solo!!!

At the end of the day, it comes down to if you believe in Christ's finished work on the cross or not. Whether you believe that what he did was enough for you or not.

I used to live that rollercoaster life, Solo..."I'm saved, now I'm not...now I am again...now I'm not....now I am" and it almost cost me my life. I ended up throwing my arms up in the air, thinking "Man, I can't live up to this 'cop in the sky' - no matter what I do..I'm going to hell anyway because I keep right on stuffing up" So you know what I did...I went out there and sinned - yes I did. What's the point in not sinning when you're already going to hell?

It was then that Jesus came and found his little lost sheep and brought me back to the fold, he nursed me back to health then taught me that his work on the cross is enough to cover my sin and that by his Grace I am able to persevere and be preserved because it will be by the power of God and not my own power.

I needed to stop! He told me to stop! Stop what I was doing and fall back into his arms and rest. His yoke is easy, and his burden is light - and I was trying to make it heavy by all this 'observance of law' and I had actually fallen from Grace because of it. I was trying to get to heaven through law keeping and not by faith.

When I stopped for a moment and allowed myself to die and for Christ to live in me....I was then able to do whatever it is I had to do to get to heaven because it was no longer ME doing it but rather CHRIST that was doing it in me. No more rollercoaster rides for me...my sights are on heaven...my gate is steady and my destiny is secure...because I'm in Him and he's in me

 

[Orthodoxy]

[quote="John the Baptist":9b5aa][quote="Merry Menagerie":9b5aa]So faith is a gift from God and faith is going to endure us to the end. So therefore it's God who endures us Yes we know the outcome for if we didn't then Jesus should never have said...

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Also through my faith in the finished work on Jesus Christ I know that it's Christ who has already run the race and won it for me. So I abide in Him for His endurance and preservation to be manifest in me

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Finished?[/quote:9b5aa]

Yep!! Jesus said with his dying breath on the cross "It is finished" you either believe it or you don't. I you believe in it then you will trust in it and he will be the one to bring to the finish line. If you don't then you will have to be the one to run the race all on your very lonesome - good luck to you...you're going to need it [/quote:9b5aa]

What was finished was His earthy minestry to remove the sin debt to allow for life to enter man through His resurrection. The finished work on the cross was "forgive them Father for they know not what they do". He forgave sin on the cross but that hardly finished His work for in three days He raise is "most pure body" to life. The entire work of God in man's salvation was not finished on the cross but with His bodily resurrection and ascention. Fact is His works continues to this day saving me.

Was the resurrection a moot event?

It is not finished by a long shot until we endure to the end.

Orthodoxy

 

[Solo]

Good work Solo!!!

At the end of the day, it comes down to if you believe in Christ's finished work on the cross or not. Whether you believe that what he did was enough for you or not.

I used to live that rollercoaster life, Solo..."I'm saved, now I'm not...now I am again...now I'm not....now I am" and it almost cost me my life. I ended up throwing my arms up in the air, thinking "Man, I can't live up to this 'cop in the sky' - no matter what I do..I'm going to hell anyway because I keep right on stuffing up" So you know what I did...I went out there and sinned - yes I did. What's the point in not sinning when you're already going to hell?

It was then that Jesus came and found his little lost sheep and brought me back to the fold, he nursed me back to health then taught me that his work on the cross is enough to cover my sin and that by his Grace I am able to persevere and be preserved because it will be by the power of God and not my own power.

I needed to stop! He told me to stop! Stop what I was doing and fall back into his arms and rest. His yoke is easy, and his burden is light - and I was trying to make it heavy by all this 'observance of law' and I had actually fallen from Grace because of it. I was trying to get to heaven through law keeping and not by faith.

When I stopped for a moment and allowed myself to die and for Christ to live in me....I was then able to do whatever it is I had to do to get to heaven because it was no longer ME doing it but rather CHRIST that was doing it in me. No more rollercoaster rides for me...my sights are on heaven...my gate is steady and my destiny is secure...because I'm in Him and he's in me

AMEN, Merry Menagerie! God is faithful and just and righteous and loving and full of grace and .......!

I ONCE was lost but now am found! Praise God!

Oh, by the way, my flesh still has a master, sin. My spirit and New Creation body has a master, Jesus. I will receive that new body when Jesus returns to redeem me. I have been sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit who dwells within me.

 

[von]

I undrstand what you are saying. I have no fear of not making it to Heaven either. People who believe the way I do, don't think that one day you are saved and one day you are not. The sin unto death is rejecting Jesus. What we believe is that if you turn completely away from Christ and reject Him, this person can not possible make it to Heaven. It ia apparent that he doesn't care or want to make it there. I don't think that God is going to force anyone there who doesn't want to be there.

 

[Orthodoxy]

von,

I am the "he" in your post?

if so "he" does want to be in the Kingdom, fact is "he" thinks "he" is "in Christ" by being Orthodox.

I just dont want to be double minded thinking I can say "Lord, Lord" and He is obligated to accept me while in the pig trough doing my will not His.

BTW where have you read me state I "reject Jesus Christ" as Lord and savior of my life?

Orthodoxy

 

[Solo]

I undrstand what you are saying. I have no fear of not making it to Heaven either. People who believe the way I do, don't think that one day you are saved and one day you are not. The sin unto death is rejecting Jesus. What we believe is that if you turn completely away from Christ and reject Him, this person can not possible make it to Heaven. It ia apparent that he doesn't care or want to make it there. I don't think that God is going to force anyone there who doesn't want to be there.

Peter rejected Jesus when he denied him three times. Jesus restored him. Do you believe that Jesus will reject a believer if the believer rejects him? I don't.

 

[von]

No Orthodoxy, "he" is not you. It's "he" or "she" or "whoever" rejects Christ. What in the world made you think I was refering to you? Don't be so sensitive, everything is not a direct remark to you. Believe me if I have something to say about or to someone they will know that it is meant for them. Relax.

Solo- Peter denied Christ 3 times and the Bible says IMMEDIATELY he was sorry. I am talking about completely walking away from God.

 

[John the Baptist]

No Orthodoxy, "he" is not you. It's "he" or "she" or "whoever" rejects Christ. What in the world made you think I was refering to you? Don't be so sensitive, everything is not a direct remark to you. Believe me if I have something to say about or to someone they will know that it is meant for them. Relax.

Solo- Peter denied Christ 3 times and the Bible says IMMEDIATELY he was sorry. I am talking about completely walking away from God.

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In fact Peter went out and wept bitterly, huh? (real tears) Some here need to have this much remorse for their Matthew 25 foolishness! Yet it does state that the door was shut.

---John

 

[Merry Menagerie]

No Orthodoxy, "he" is not you. It's "he" or "she" or "whoever" rejects Christ. What in the world made you think I was refering to you? Don't be so sensitive, everything is not a direct remark to you. Believe me if I have something to say about or to someone they will know that it is meant for them. Relax.

Solo- Peter denied Christ 3 times and the Bible says IMMEDIATELY he was sorry. I am talking about completely walking away from God.

The HOly Spirit brings people to repentence.

 

[Solo]

No Orthodoxy, "he" is not you. It's "he" or "she" or "whoever" rejects Christ. What in the world made you think I was refering to you? Don't be so sensitive, everything is not a direct remark to you. Believe me if I have something to say about or to someone they will know that it is meant for them. Relax.

Solo- Peter denied Christ 3 times and the Bible says IMMEDIATELY he was sorry. I am talking about completely walking away from God.

What do you think about the person that Paul said to deliver a fornicator over to satan so that his flesh would be destroyed but his spirit saved in the day of the Lord Jesus?

5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Corinthians 5:5

Also, how is one who is born again and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, unborn again. How is a born again individual who now is a new creature in Christ, unborn again because he walks in the flesh and rejects Jesus? Either that person was born again or not. If that person was born again by the Spirit of God, he can not unborn himself, and God is not going to judge him for salvation on his merits but on the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[John the Baptist]

When Rev. 14:6 states EVERLASTING GOSPEL, it means just that, both forwards & backwards into ETERNITY! When Hebrews. 13:20 states EVERLASTING COVENANT, it means just that, both forwards & backwards into ETERNITY!

The Born Again Required 'life' of John 3:1-10 is not a mere profession of Christ, but requires both the profession of Everlasting Gospel & His 'EPISTLE', or CHARACTER, which IS HIS EVERLASTING COVENANT! (see James 2:26) Much of the time, Israel of old had the Everlasting Covenant without Christ! Today, we hear that one is to have Christ without HIS EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Notice 2 Cor. 3:3 tells us of the LETTER OF CHRIST, which 'EPISTLE OF CHRIST' means. Then we see that the New Covenant 'enlargement' (see Isaiah 42:21) is to be in ones [mind]! Christ always required that His Character 'Epistle' letter or testimony to be seen & read inside ones heart & mind! (see Hebrews. 11:13) Notice the above verse?

"Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the [epistle of Christ] ... written not with ink, (inspired writers) but with the Spirit of the living God; (notice the rebirth of John 3!) not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart" This is the requirement of God!!)

And no man will be in the kingdom of God without the born again mind transplant! Again, John 3:3. Belief (Faith) in Christ alone will finds one eternally gone! The devil has this worthless faith! See their fate Obadia . 16. One must have both the Profession of Christ & the Working Obeying Covenant of His personage to enter Everlasting life! And that is Everlasting Gospel! Not 1/2 of a 'new false gospel that we see & hear of today!! (see Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 for the supplied provisions for this recreated work)
Christ gave an Eternal Truth in John 15:5's last part of the verse! It goes way beyond earth's few number! It takes in all of creation!
The heavenly angels, the other world's (plural) of the book of Heb., along with.. "ETERNITY"! Here is the Masters Words: "WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING"!! That tells us what? That the requirement of the New Birth is First Choice. It can only be by done by Christ' Covenant replacing our carnal heart & mind! We become His letter & His testimony! (Gospel & Covenant character) And this is nothing new, this is the Eternal Gospel Joined with the Eternal Covenant Character of the Eternal Gospel of Christ, ETERNALLY! See Ecclesiastes. 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes. 3:15. Summed up in LOVE!! John 15:10-14. Yet, ones 'conditional' free choice!

One writer asks on a thread, about the battle? (Christ & 's'atan of Ephesians. 4:12)
The battle is 'ever' over the very character of the GodHead! The Law of the Universe! See Daniel 7:25!! Note the Born Again ones 'mind' in Isaiah. 8:16, the Holy Spirits speaks of it this way, "Bind up the testimony, SEAL THE LAW AMONG MY DISCIPLES."
The 'testimony part' is all of Scripture that man was inspired to write. (see 2 Tim. 3:16) These are put in their own wording to describe inspirational Truth. Yet, ones needs the whole of Scripture to see & have truth. (Matt. 4:4 - 1 Cor. 14:32)

And with the Covenant Law of God 'alone' this is not the case! This Epistle of Christ must be the Christians testimony and to be sealed in their minds! And the only way to have the Covenant with any merit,
Isaiah. 8:20 goes on to say that.. all of the Universe can tell who it is that is wrestling on the 'devils side of the battle, or that are not Born Again, or that have made shipwreck even AFTER they had received the love of the Truth. Notice!

"To the Law (CHARACTER OF THE GODHEAD!) [and] to the Testimony: If they speak not according to this Word, IT IS BECAUSE THEIR IS NO LIGHT IN THEM". First comes the Moral Law of the GodHead that They put into the TABLES OF STONE & THEN INTO THE TABLES OF THE FLESHY MIND OF HIS DISCIPLES BY THE NEW BIRTH. Then, NEXT COMES ALL OF THE TESTIMONY OF THE 66 BKS. OF THE WRITTEN WORD. If one goes contrary to any portion of the Covenant FIRST, or the Bible studied as a Whole? Then they have no LIGHT! (see James 2:8-12 for even breaking one commandment of the Covenant requirement)

Seal the LAW AMONG MY DISCIPLES!? When one thinks of a SEAL, we think of authority. The bible writers use different words throughout its content that are needed to understand what the 'seal' in the Law of God is all about. The mark of the beast will be the exact opposite of God's TRUE SEALING!

If one would do as suggested before, and do a sincere study on 'seal' 'mark' 'sign' 'signet' in the Masters Word they would come to some very interesting Truths. They might even readily see that there will be a very large 'broadway' group that will receive the mark in there hands, just because they have neither desire, or.. 'just' could care less about the mark of the beast?

--John

 

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Merry- The Holy Spirit had not come yet. Peter was repented because he knew that he had denied the Son of God and wanted continual fellowship with Him.

Let me ask you all this. Do you think that Peter would have been the leader for Christ that he was if he had not repented? Do you think that he would have been used by God the way he was is he was not sorry for denying Jesus or are you saying that he really never had accepted Jesus? If that is the case then we need to look at the way we love one another. People do us wrong everyday and yes, I know about forgiving 7x70 but honestly in our human nature we don't forgive nor love everyone the way we should. Think about this, especially you who are husbands. Christ said husbands love your wives as Christ loves the church, right? Well doesn't that just blow the top off of divorce? In other words, Christ is suppose to tolerate all of our sins but we in turn can walk around and do anything we want? I'm sorry, it just doesn't make sense to me. It sounds more like an excuse to not sell out to God. It sounds like an excuse to hold on to the things of this world that so easily beset us. I'm not saying that everyone who believes this waydoesn't live for the Lord, because I knkow alot of good Baptist people who serve the Lord with their whole heart and on the other hand I know people who don't believe this way who probably should believe once saved always, because in spite of their beliefs they don't seem to have any fear of God anyhow.

Solo- Do you have children? If so do you teach them not to steal? Can you tell me why?