Jesus Christ Claims to be Yahweh - John 8:23-25

[SolaScriptura]

Why are those who openly reject and oppose the Trinity and the full Deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, allowed to continue to blaspheme on this forum?

It is not that they are seeking to know the Truth of what the Bible actually teaches, but to do the work of the devil by their lies?

 

[JLB]

Why are those who openly reject and oppose the Trinity and the full Deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, allowed to continue to blaspheme on this forum?

Good question.

Jesus Christ is LORD!

Now and forever!



Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 1:14-15

• Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints. Jude
• Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the saints with You. Zechariah

Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the saints with You. Zechariah 14:5







JLB

 

[SolaScriptura]

Good question.

Jesus Christ is LORD!

Now and forever!



Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” Jude 1:14-15

• Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints. Jude
• Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the saints with You. Zechariah

Thus the LORD my God will come, and all the saints with You. Zechariah 14:5







JLB

Amen!

Keep on speaking the TRUTH

 

[Humblepie]

So much arrogance and pride in this forum.

 

[SolaScriptura]

So much arrogance and pride in this forum.

Indeed by those who simply cannot accept the FACT as taught in the Bible that

The Father is YHWH

Jesus Christ is YHWH

The Holy Spirit is YHWH

There distant coequal Persons in One Eternal Godhead

Anything else is demonic BLASPHEMY

 

[Free]

Many believe Jesus to be God others believe him to be the only begotten Son of God.

Those are not mutually exclusive. To be the begotten Son of God is to be God in nature. Can you name one son that is not the exact same nature as his father?

Because so many people view Jesus to be God they say that the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Christian religion. According to this teaching, the Father, Son, and holy spirit are three persons in one God. Cardinal John O’Connor stated about the Trinity: “We know that it is a very profound mystery, which we don’t begin to understand.” But why is the Trinity so difficult to understand?

Because it is. We are finite and God is infinite. If a person claims they can fully comprehend God, then it is a god of their own making.

The Bible Dictionary gives one reason. Speaking of the Trinity, this publication admits: “It is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can be found in the Bible. Because the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine, Trinitarians have been desperately looking for Bible texts, even twisting them, to find support for their teaching.

That is misleading. An explicitly stated doctrine in full isn’t given in the Bible, although Matt 28:19 gets very close, all the foundations of the Trinity are clearly given. If they weren’t, if they were nowhere to be found, the doctrine of the Trinity either would never have existed or would have ceased existing long ago.

One example of a Bible verse that is often misused is John 1:1. In the King James Version, that verse reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God [Greek, ton theon], and the Word was God [theos].” This verse contains two forms of the Greek noun theos (god). The first is preceded by ton (the), a form of the Greek definite article, and in this case the word theon refers to Almighty God. In the second instance, however, theos has no definite article. Was the article mistakenly left out?

The Gospel of John was written in Koine, or common Greek, which has specific rules regarding the use of the definite article. Bible scholar A. T. Robertson recognizes that if both subject and predicate have articles, “both are definite, treated as identical, one and the same, and interchangeable.” Robertson considers as an example Matthew 13:38, which reads: “The field [Greek, ho agros] is the world [Greek, ho kosmos].” The grammar enables us to understand that the world is also the field.

What, though, if the subject has a definite article but the predicate does not, as in John 1:1? Citing that verse as an example, scholar James Allen Hewett emphasizes: “In such a construction the subject and predicate are not the same, equal, identical, or anything of the sort.”

To illustrate, Hewett uses 1 John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho theos and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. Hewett points out: “One can always . . . say of God He is characterized by light; one cannot always say of light that it is God.” Similar examples are found at John 4:24, “God is a Spirit,” and at 1 John 4:16, “God is love.” In both of these verses, the subjects have definite articles but the predicates, “Spirit” and “love,” do not. So the subjects and predicates are not interchangeable. These verses cannot mean that “Spirit is God” or “love is God.”

Many Greek scholars and Bible translators acknowledge that John 1:1 highlights, not the identity, but a quality of “the Word.” Says Bible translator William Barclay: “Because [the apostle John] has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description . . . John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.” Scholar Jason David BeDuhn likewise says: “In Greek, if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean ‘a god.’ . . . Its absence makes theos quite different than the definite ho theos, as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.” BeDuhn adds: “In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.” Or to put it in the words of Joseph Henry Thayer, a scholar who worked on the American Standard Version: “The Logos [or, Word] was divine, not the divine Being himself.”

You provided the very answer but then denied that as a possibility, without grounds for doing so. All of which I have stated already.

You stated:

‘To illustrate, Hewett uses 1 John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho theos and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. Hewett points out: “One can always . . . say of God He is characterized by light; one cannot always say of light that it is God.” Similar examples are found at John 4:24, “God is a Spirit,” and at 1 John 4:16, “God is love.” In both of these verses, the subjects have definite articles but the predicates, “Spirit” and “love,” do not. So the subjects and predicates are not interchangeable. These verses cannot mean that “Spirit is God” or “love is God.”’

And those are correct, but they miss the obvious, in at least two ways. It is correct that John doesn’t put the article in front of logos because God and the Word are not interchangeable. That is denied by 1:1b.

However, it absolutely cannot be “a god” as the NWT renders it. Multiple times Yahweh states he is the only God, that there wasn’t another god before him and that there will not be another after. That there is only one true God is repeated throughout the OT and NT. Monotheism is absolutely foundational to Christianity—there is no other god.

So, what that means it that 1:1c is qualitative; it tells us something about the nature of the Word. But, although light isn’t God and spirit isn’t God, if someone has the nature of God, it necessarily follows that that person is also God. That’s where those parallels fail. Only God can have the nature of God. And, because 1:1b speaks of the Word being in intimate communion and relationship with God, it follows that the Word is also a “person.”

Hence, the only biblical conclusion is that the Word is God in nature. This is supported by 1:3, 10-11, 18. I
t is also supported by several statements of Jesus and John who claim Jesus literally came from heaven and preexisted prior to creation. Then we have Thomas’s declaration in John 20:28 that Jesus is his Lord and his God. We also see Jesus worshipped by his followers several times and the Jews twice understanding Jesus’s claim to be equal to the Father.

Beyond the book of John we see Paul repeating John 1:3 in 1 Cor 8:6 and Col 1:16-17. He also repeats John 1:1-2, 14 in Phil 2:6-8. The writer of Hebrews repeats John’s statements in 1:2-3, 10-12. Among other passages, John also attributes titles of God to Jesus in Revelation.

The entire NT is in complete agreement that Jesus is both truly God and truly man.

It did not seem so to Jesus that the identity of God was some profound mystery. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3) Jesus also said at John 20:17 said he has a Father and God which is his apostles Father and God. If we believe Jesus and understand the plain teaching of the Bible, we will respect him as the divine Son of God that he is. We will also worship YHWH God as “the only true God.”

Of course the Son and the Father are distinct persons, which is why Jesus would point to and pray to the Father. But they are both the substance that is God, meaning they are the same being.

 

[JLB]

Indeed by those who simply cannot accept the FACT as taught in the Bible that

The Father is YHWH

Jesus Christ is YHWH

The Holy Spirit is YHWH

There distant coequal Persons in One Eternal Godhead

Anything else is demonic BLASPHEMY

 

[Runningman]

Indeed by those who simply cannot accept the FACT as taught in the Bible that

The Father is YHWH

Jesus Christ is YHWH

The Holy Spirit is YHWH

There distant coequal Persons in One Eternal Godhead

Anything else is demonic BLASPHEMY

The only one who is YHWH in scripture is the Father. This isn’t confusing English. So you see this is very straightforward? This means Jesus isn’t God. It’s not even a debate.

Psalm 2
7I will proclaim the decree
spoken to Me by the LORD:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father.

 

[Runningman]

Many believe Jesus to be God others believe him to be the only begotten Son of God.
Because so many people view Jesus to be God they say that the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Christian religion. According to this teaching, the Father, Son, and holy spirit are three persons in one God. Cardinal John O’Connor stated about the Trinity: “We know that it is a very profound mystery, which we don’t begin to understand.” But why is the Trinity so difficult to understand?

The Bible Dictionary gives one reason. Speaking of the Trinity, this publication admits: “It is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can be found in the Bible. Because the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine, Trinitarians have been desperately looking for Bible texts, even twisting them, to find support for their teaching.

One example of a Bible verse that is often misused is John 1:1. In the King James Version, that verse reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God [Greek, ton theon], and the Word was God [theos].” This verse contains two forms of the Greek noun theos (god). The first is preceded by ton (the), a form of the Greek definite article, and in this case the word theon refers to Almighty God. In the second instance, however, theos has no definite article. Was the article mistakenly left out?

The Gospel of John was written in Koine, or common Greek, which has specific rules regarding the use of the definite article. Bible scholar A. T. Robertson recognizes that if both subject and predicate have articles, “both are definite, treated as identical, one and the same, and interchangeable.” Robertson considers as an example Matthew 13:38, which reads: “The field [Greek, ho agros] is the world [Greek, ho kosmos].” The grammar enables us to understand that the world is also the field.

What, though, if the subject has a definite article but the predicate does not, as in John 1:1? Citing that verse as an example, scholar James Allen Hewett emphasizes: “In such a construction the subject and predicate are not the same, equal, identical, or anything of the sort.”

To illustrate, Hewett uses 1 John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho theos and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. Hewett points out: “One can always . . . say of God He is characterized by light; one cannot always say of light that it is God.” Similar examples are found at John 4:24, “God is a Spirit,” and at 1 John 4:16, “God is love.” In both of these verses, the subjects have definite articles but the predicates, “Spirit” and “love,” do not. So the subjects and predicates are not interchangeable. These verses cannot mean that “Spirit is God” or “love is God.”

Many Greek scholars and Bible translators acknowledge that John 1:1 highlights, not the identity, but a quality of “the Word.” Says Bible translator William Barclay: “Because [the apostle John] has no definite article in front of theos it becomes a description . . . John is not here identifying the Word with God. To put it very simply, he does not say that Jesus was God.” Scholar Jason David BeDuhn likewise says: “In Greek, if you leave off the article from theos in a sentence like the one in John 1:1c, then your readers will assume you mean ‘a god.’ . . . Its absence makes theos quite different than the definite ho theos, as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.” BeDuhn adds: “In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.” Or to put it in the words of Joseph Henry Thayer, a scholar who worked on the American Standard Version: “The Logos [or, Word] was divine, not the divine Being himself.”

It did not seem so to Jesus that the identity of God was some profound mystery. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3) Jesus also said at John 20:17 said he has a Father and God which is his apostles Father and God. If we believe Jesus and understand the plain teaching of the Bible, we will respect him as the divine Son of God that he is. We will also worship YHWH God as “the only true God.”

Yes I agree. Surely the plain text , common sense, reading of who God and Jesus are is superior to deferring to a mystery. Trinitarians call it a “mystery” but ultimately that’s equal to saying “I don’t know or understand this but I believe it anyway.”

Meanwhile, we enjoy explicit and direct references to who God and Jesus are. Jesus is a man who God was with, empowered, and anointed.

Nonbelievers understand this and digest it easily. It doesn’t require indoctrination through many Sunday school sessions. The common person picks this up easily in any setting because it’s biblically accurate and rings true with all.

This is the true Gospel. God sent His Son to save the world through him. All who believe in him will be saved. All who call on the name of the LORD will be saved. All who believe God raised Jesus from the dead will be saved. There is no mystery; we understand our salvation and who our God is and who Jesus’ God is clearly.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Free,

It appears that I am accused of blasphemy by SolaScriptura and this is endorsed by JLB. I have stated my position in a number of Posts in various threads, and also my thread "The Yahweh Name". I still cannot understand the subject of the "Trinity", and here are a few problems that I still cannot resolve.

To be the begotten Son of God is to be God in nature. Can you name one son that is not the exact same nature as his father?

This seems to be one of your favourite statements. Could you please explain in what sense is Jesus or God the Son the begotten Son of God? When did he become begotten? When did it happen?

How do you understand the following that seems to indicate that God is the Father of the human nature of Jesus, and Jesus as a result of this Divine intervention, as a human is called "the Son of God". Mary is his mother, God the Father is his father in the conception / birth process.
Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again Free,

It appears that I am accused of blasphemy by SolaScriptura and this is endorsed by JLB. I have stated my position in a number of Posts in various threads, and also my thread "The Yahweh Name". I still cannot understand the subject of the "Trinity", and here are a few problems that I still cannot resolve.

This seems to be one of your favourite statements. Could you please explain in what sense is Jesus or God the Son the begotten Son of God? When did he become begotten? When did it happen?

How do you understand the following that seems to indicate that God is the Father of the human nature of Jesus, and Jesus as a result of this Divine intervention, as a human is called "the Son of God". Mary is his mother, God the Father is his father in the conception / birth process.
Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

#205 is 100% what the Bible teaches, with ZERO exceptions!

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

#205 is 100% what the Bible teaches, with ZERO exceptions!

Your assessment is either correct or incorrect. Perhaps you could answer a few of my problems that I addressed to Free:
Could you please explain in what sense is Jesus or God the Son the begotten Son of God? When did he become begotten? When did it happen?

How do you understand the following that seems to indicate that God is the Father of the human nature of Jesus, and Jesus as a result of this Divine intervention, as a human is called "the Son of God". Mary is his mother, God the Father is his father in the conception / birth process.
Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

Your assessment is either correct or incorrect. Perhaps you could answer a few of my problems that I addressed to Free:
Could you please explain in what sense is Jesus or God the Son the begotten Son of God? When did he become begotten? When did it happen?

How do you understand the following that seems to indicate that God is the Father of the human nature of Jesus, and Jesus as a result of this Divine intervention, as a human is called "the Son of God". Mary is his mother, God the Father is his father in the conception / birth process.
Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

Matthew 1:20 says

"But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is Conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit"

"Conceived" is from the Greek "gennēthen", which means "to beget, begotten"

It is the HUMAN NATURE in the Person Jesus Christ, Who is also Eternally God in His Divine Nature, that was begotten by God the Father, through God the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 is clear about this;

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also the Holy Child which shall be born out of you shall be called the Son of God"

Here we see that the Holy Spirit caused the Virgin Mary to "Conceive" in her womb, the God-Man, He is in His HUMAN NATURE, "born out of" Mary, that is, "derived" from her "human nature". Jesus is called "The Holy Child", because His HUMAN NATURE is "sinless", as when Adam was Created.

The Prophecy in Psalm 2:7, "“I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You", refers to the "begetting" of Jesus in the Gospels, and nothing to do with His being "begotten" by the Father.

Hebrews 1:5 shows this more clearly;

"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son?"

The "begetting" is linked to the Incarnation, when the Father is "the Father" of Jesus Christ.

 

[BB1956]

free said,
"Those are not mutually exclusive. To be the begotten Son of God is to be God in nature. Can you name one son that is not the exact same nature as his father?"[/QUOTE\]

I and my Father are not the same person, I don't believe myself to be my Father.

 

[SolaScriptura]

free said,
"Those are not mutually exclusive. To be the begotten Son of God is to be God in nature. Can you name one son that is not the exact same nature as his father?"[/QUOTE\]

I and my Father are not the same person, I don't believe myself to be my Father.

NO ONE who believes in the Trinity, says that they are One and the SAME PERSON!

NATURE is different to PERSON

The Trinity is from TRI, THREE distinct equal Persons; and (U)NITY, the ESSENTIAL unity of the Three, in One Godhead or Divine Essence. 1x1x1=1, and not, 1+1+1, which is 3!

 

[BB1956]

There are going to be those in the world who believe the Word is God, and those who believe the Word is the only begotten Son of God. We all must make our choice about what we believe is the truth.
So there will be those who believe the Word is God, they saying the scriptures teach that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. They say that to believe that the True God is three persons in a God head is what makes a true Christian.

Those who believe the Word is the only begotten Son of God and it was he who existed with God in the beginning, that it was he who became human and died for mankind then who was resurrected from the dead three days after his death by God believe the way to get everlasting life is to know two persons, the only True God and the one he sent to mankind which was his only begotten Son. They believe this is what makes a person a Christian.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

The Prophecy in Psalm 2:7, "“I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You", refers to the "begetting" of Jesus in the Gospels, and nothing to do with His being "begotten" by the Father.

I appreciate your thorough and partially accurate reply on the "begetting" of his human nature, which does not really agree with Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. But here you also speak of another begetting. When was this other "begetting" and what does it represent. Was the One God, Yahweh, God the Father alone and lonely in the far reaches of eternity, and then he decided to beget another Being, God the Son for company? You use the terms father and son and begetting relating to this other "begetting". These words have actual meaning.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[SolaScriptura]

Greetings again SolaScriptura,

I appreciate your thorough and partially accurate reply on the "begetting" of his human nature, which does not really agree with Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35. But here you also speak of another begetting. When was this other "begetting" and what does it represent. Was the One God, Yahweh, God the Father alone and lonely in the far reaches of eternity, and then he decided to beget another Being, God the Son for company? You use the terms father and son and begetting relating to this other "begetting". These words have actual meaning.

Kind regards
Trevor

here is a very important question to you and all those who reject that Jesus Christ is YHWH

WHY would the Father, Who, according to your theology, is the only God, and Almighty, need to "create" Jesus Christ, and then use a CREATED Person to "Create" this universe through? WHY did not the Father do this for Himself? WHY does it say in genesis 1:1, that "GOD CREATED", when He is supposed to have done so THROUGH Jesus Christ? HOW did the Father Create the Universe THROUGH Jesus Christ? In Isaiah we read that YHWH Created ALONE, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am YHWH, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself" (44:24). So, EXACTLY WHERE does Jesus Christ fit in, as the One the Father CREATED THROUGH?

Unitarianism CANNOT explain these FACTS!

 

[Runningman]

here is a very important question to you and all those who reject that Jesus Christ is YHWH

WHY would the Father, Who, according to your theology, is the only God, and Almighty, need to "create" Jesus Christ, and then use a CREATED Person to "Create" this universe through? WHY did not the Father do this for Himself? WHY does it say in genesis 1:1, that "GOD CREATED", when He is supposed to have done so THROUGH Jesus Christ? HOW did the Father Create the Universe THROUGH Jesus Christ? In Isaiah we read that YHWH Created ALONE, "Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am YHWH, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself" (44:24). So, EXACTLY WHERE does Jesus Christ fit in, as the One the Father CREATED THROUGH?

Unitarianism CANNOT explain these FACTS!

If you insist Jesus Christ is YHWH then we need to address the fact that having a God aside from YHWH is called idolatry. Jesus is a man when YHWH directly said He is not a man in Hosea 11:9. I know you believe otherwise, but nevertheless practicing idolatry with full knowledge is a sin.

Now maybe you still are not sure that Jesus isn't YHWH. That's fine because this is something entirely correctable, avoidable, and absolutely pardonable.

We will just look at the Bible where Jesus is not YHWH. I hope this helps!

Jesus isn't YHWH anywhere in the Bible.

Psalm 110
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”

Psalm 2
7I will proclaim the decree
spoken to Me by the LORD:[YHWH]
“You are My Son;[Jesus]
today I have become Your Father.[YHWH]

Isaiah 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD[YHWH] says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone,[Jesus] a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.

Isaiah 42
1“Here is My[YHWH] Servant,[Jesus] whom I uphold,
My Chosen One,[Jesus] in whom My soul[YHWH] delights.
I will put My Spirit[YHWH] on Him,[Jesus]
and He will bring justice to the nations.

Isaiah 53
10Yet it was the LORD’s[YHWH] will to crush Him[Jesus]
and to cause Him to suffer;
and when His soul is made a guilt offering.
He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days,
and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

Micah 5
4He will stand and shepherd His flock[Jesus]
in the strength of the LORD,
in the majestic name of the LORD His God.[YHWH]
And they will dwell securely,
for then His greatness will extend
to the ends of the earth.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers,[YHWH] has glorified His servant Jesus.

 

[JLB]

This seems to be one of your favourite statements. Could you please explain in what sense is Jesus or God the Son the begotten Son of God? When did he become begotten? When did it happen?

Before the foundation of the world.

• For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15-17

• He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Can you see that the Son created all things and is before all things.

Why is it so hard for you to believe these plain and clear words of scripture?


Here is the Son in the Old Testament, appearing to several saints. We know and understand that these saints were not seeing God the Father, because scripture teaches us no one has seen God the Father at any time.

• No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18
• No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. 1 John 4:12

“Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.” Daniel 3:25


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6


Moses was seeing the Son of God, the Angel of the LORD who is the LORD (YHWH) God.






JLB