You still cannot get past the fact you believe one of Jesus statements is true all the time, and the other one is only true part of the time.
No, the problem is your misunderstanding of what a "general statement" means, vs a "specific statement". And as I said, until that is cleared up, we simply cannot have a rational or reasonable discussion about it.
So, study up, or be diligent, as Paul encourages Timothy. And then we'll talk.
The entire NT shows that eternal life is only in Christ.
Where have I EVER disagreed with this?
Those in Christ follow Him.
Jesus and Paul say otherwise. I'll stick with what they said.
Jesus said recipients of eternal life will never perish. That's eternal security.
Paul described eternal life as a gift of God and said God's gifts are irrevocable.
You have not shown one verse that someone who is in Christ does not follow Him.
Untrue. Maybe someone needs to actually read my posts.
1 Tim 4:1 - The Spirit
clearly says that in later times
some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
First, The Holy Spirit said this "clearly". This is what He said: "some will abandon the faith".
This cannot refer to unbelievers, because they were NEVER IN the faith to begin with. So this verse is about believers who apostatize and cease to believe, the exact same thing Jesus noted in Luke 8:13.
So don't tell me what I've not shown.
Christ said that His sheep follow Him.
General statement. He couldn't have meant every single one of them, or His parable about the 2nd soil would have been totally incorrect.
And Paul's statement would be wrong as well.
You either believe He said it and meant it, or you believe He was lying.
I understand the difference between general and specific statements, which you don't.
There is no middle ground. Whatever is not 100% true is a lie.
Again, this is failure to understand the difference between general and specific statements.
General statements are true generally, not specifically. But until that is understood, please don't bring it up again. It's a waste of time to discuss what isn't being comprehended.
And I've proven by example how general statements work. Now, to prove your claim that some recipients of eternal life can actually perish, please show from Scripture where that's described.
I have proven time after time that being sealed in Him is not like putting a lid on a jar.
I never suggested such a thing. So, your so-called "proof" just poofed.
My point has always been that the sealing with the Holy Spirit is permanent, by what Eph 1:14 says: a deposit GUARANTEEING our inheritance for the day of redemption, as God's possession.
How can anyone get around a guarantee? That would destroy the very meaning of a guarantee. And since this guarantee is from God Himself, getting around His guarantee would basically make God a liar. Good luck with that.
So it is not something that is "done" or "undone".
That's your opinion. That's not fact. Of course it is. God seals us with the Holy Spirit. God will never un-seal us.
Your view means that the Holy Spirit can be removed from a sealed person, which would effectively remove the guarantee of our inheritance for the day of redemption, and the person would no longer be God's possession.
So, where is any of that taught in Scripture? So far, all I've seen is opinions. No Scripture to support the opinions.
To believe that by you "doing" something in order to receive the seal is the same as believing in your works for salvation.
Really?? You're on that again?? What does Eph 1:13 say? "having believed". Is that doing something, or doing nothing?
That simply is not true. You cannot 'do' anything to earn your salvation.
No one earns salvation. Cannot be done. We are saved by grace, through faith. Period. Got it?
