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Joel Olsteen

not once, but twice.
i would think that he would stop and really pray and come out and say that he was wrong and repent. has he?
first in orlando then he went on to say the same thing in India!

he's blind and hasnt repented. if he did then i could be lenient. i dont think he has

if i told you that i see jesus next to me , in human form would you believe me?
if i told you also that he would be seen in all churches like hinn says then what?
take note hinn has stated that jesus will be seen in human form in all the churches.

really? not even the LORD himself knew when he come back . he only said that he would return in like manner as he left in acts 1. only the father knows.

i will pray for your blindness to this.
 
faithtransforms said:
There are COUNTLESS numbers of people who have been saved through Christian Television. I mean MILLIONS. They are not all frauds.

Yes, television is expensive and yes, the money comes from the church members or partners of ministries. I wouldn't say Joel Osteen is doing a great work in his church, but I believe people are getting born again, people are getting saved there, even if they are hearing extremely weak and misguided teaching. God can anoint anyone at any time to get a message across. He has spoken through a donkey, surely he can speak through Joel Osteen, LOL!

God actually anointed the meow of my cat once!!! I was drifting away from God and was looking at a Native American spirituality book and liking it (and I believe salvation can be lost, so this was bad news). Well, my petite little black cat Moriah, whom I had rescued from a 7-11 at a young and who had had to hunt for her food, etc. was sitting on the back of the couch about two feet from my face. Well, there is something special about this little cat, a purity that I cannot describe, probably because of her birth in the wild. But I was looking at this book and digging it and then I looked over at Moriah and she just gave me this small little innocent meow. Man, it hit me like a ton of bricks!!! INSTANTLY, I bowed my face before God and repented. I knew no one could create such a pure and beautiful creature but the Holy God of the bible and I got off the couch and went straight to church.
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How do you know, without any doubt, that TV evangilists have brought anyone to salvation ?

If God speaks through Joel, then I would rather listen to the donkey.

Just in case you miss the point I am trying to make. My point is , where are the witnesses ?
 
jasoncran said:
not once, but twice.
i would think that he would stop and really pray and come out and say that he was wrong and repent. has he?
first in orlando then he went on to say the same thing in India!

he's blind and hasnt repented. if he did then i could be lenient. i dont think he has

if i told you that i see jesus next to me , in human form would you believe me?
if i told you also that he would be seen in all churches like hinn says then what?
take note hinn has stated that jesus will be seen in human form in all the churches.

really? not even the LORD himself knew when he come back . he only said that he would return in like manner as he left in acts 1. only the father knows.

i will pray for your blindness to this.
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He said Jesus would appear in churches all over the world. Not ALL churches. And he's not referring to the second coming, he is referring to visitations. Yes, I believe it is possible for Jesus to appear to someone in physical form, although I think it is much more likely for him to appear in spiritual form. There are muslims all over the world that have had Jesus appear to them and subsequently gotten born again. And I have had the knowledge of Him standing right behind me, in all His Love and Glory, although I didn't see Him with my eyes. Yes, I believe He visits His people.

And whether Benny has repented or not, you wouldn't know, because you don't watch him.
 
in the flesh! he said that in the flesh

this part
we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform! You know that the Lord appeared in Romania recently, and there's a video of it? Where the Lord appeared in the back of a church and you see him on video walking down the isle? Yeah! Paul do you remember when I came on TBN years ago and showed you a clip of the Lord appearing in our church in Orlando, on the balcony on the wall? Yeah. You, you remember that
on video.he states that it was in a video and in person.
hmm

me thinks. that was in 2000.
if he repented wouldnt there be a leaving of that all together. i mean if i did that . i would walk away after i told all that i was lying and go humbly to another chruch and lay low. let the lord lift me up.
think of the guy jimmy swaggart

he did repent and has a small church and was put there yrs after he was realeased out of jail, he avoids the limelight. He let lord put him in that church.
 
jasoncran said:
in the flesh! he said that in the flesh

this part
we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform! You know that the Lord appeared in Romania recently, and there's a video of it? Where the Lord appeared in the back of a church and you see him on video walking down the isle? Yeah! Paul do you remember when I came on TBN years ago and showed you a clip of the Lord appearing in our church in Orlando, on the balcony on the wall? Yeah. You, you remember that
on video.he states that it was in a video and in person.
hmm

me thinks. that was in 2000.
if he repented wouldnt there be a leaving of that all together. i mean if i did that . i would walk away after i told all that i was lying and go humbly to another chruch and lay low. let the lord lift me up.
think of the guy jimmy swaggart

he did repent and has a small church and was put there yrs after he was realeased out of jail, he avoids the limelight. He let lord put him in that church.
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Oh, so you think Benny lied. I don't believe that. I think he believed what he was saying, whether it was right or wrong I don't know. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for Jesus to appear on this earth.
 
Caroline,

I just got a magazine from Voice of the Martyrs and a letter welcoming me as part of it. I have no remembrance of ever inquiring into them, although I have wanted to, just not gotten around to it.

But I thought, you know, if Caroline could've found out where I live, I would think she had set this up! LOL.

Guess God is trying to tell me something. ;)
 
faithtransforms said:
jasoncran said:
in the flesh! he said that in the flesh

this part
we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform! You know that the Lord appeared in Romania recently, and there's a video of it? Where the Lord appeared in the back of a church and you see him on video walking down the isle? Yeah! Paul do you remember when I came on TBN years ago and showed you a clip of the Lord appearing in our church in Orlando, on the balcony on the wall? Yeah. You, you remember that
on video.he states that it was in a video and in person.
hmm

me thinks. that was in 2000.
if he repented wouldnt there be a leaving of that all together. i mean if i did that . i would walk away after i told all that i was lying and go humbly to another chruch and lay low. let the lord lift me up.
think of the guy jimmy swaggart

he did repent and has a small church and was put there yrs after he was realeased out of jail, he avoids the limelight. He let lord put him in that church.
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Oh, so you think Benny lied. I don't believe that. I think he believed what he was saying, whether it was right or wrong I don't know. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for Jesus to appear on this earth.
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last answwer on this. yes. has Jesus ever appeared physically after acts 1. on the earth, can he yes. but what did he say to apostles. you shall not see me again till the kingdom of heaven come on the earth.


has it appeared on the earth in physical manifestation with the Lord ruling from jersusalem? no
 
faithtransforms,

I really think you need to set a higher bar for those that shepherd. You say he (Osteen) teaches some flawed stuff, but that's ok... No it's not!!! We are blessed with Godly people who stick to biblical truths and share the pure Gospel without conceding anything. Why would you defend someone who you admit does these things???

Christians need to use discernment. You've stated that you live alone and find a lot of time to explore your faith. Do you have a church community and a home pastor that doesn't concede the things Osteen does? I hope you do. I hope you have counsel that you can depend on for a solid rock of guidance. If you do, I would seek his advisement on these evangelists you are latching on to. I'm just concerned that you don't have the "iron sharpens iron" counsel of biblical Christians.

As for Hinn, think of Jesus and his disciples. Could you imagine for one second them being lapped in luxury as he is, or Osteen for that matter? I've never listened to Hinn, to be honest, so I can't comment at all on his theology, but the appearance of living in excess is enough for me.

As I said before, I believe you have a heart for God. It just seems like you need a higher bar for the people that pastor others. Getting off track from biblical truths and the Gospel is where the enemy can get a foothold. I hope you have that biblical counsel I was talking about.
 
jasoncran said:
faithtransforms said:
jasoncran said:
in the flesh! he said that in the flesh

this part
we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform! You know that the Lord appeared in Romania recently, and there's a video of it? Where the Lord appeared in the back of a church and you see him on video walking down the isle? Yeah! Paul do you remember when I came on TBN years ago and showed you a clip of the Lord appearing in our church in Orlando, on the balcony on the wall? Yeah. You, you remember that
on video.he states that it was in a video and in person.
hmm

me thinks. that was in 2000.
if he repented wouldnt there be a leaving of that all together. i mean if i did that . i would walk away after i told all that i was lying and go humbly to another chruch and lay low. let the lord lift me up.
think of the guy jimmy swaggart

he did repent and has a small church and was put there yrs after he was realeased out of jail, he avoids the limelight. He let lord put him in that church.
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Oh, so you think Benny lied. I don't believe that. I think he believed what he was saying, whether it was right or wrong I don't know. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for Jesus to appear on this earth.
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last answwer on this. yes. has Jesus ever appeared physically after acts 1. on the earth, can he yes. but what did he say to apostles. you shall not see me again till the kingdom of heaven come on the earth.


has it appeared on the earth in physical manifestation with the Lord ruling from jersusalem? no
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So do you not believe that visions of Jesus are real either? And also, it is not clear whether Benny meant that Jesus would truly appear in flesh and bone or in a type of vision.
 
mjjcb said:
faithtransforms,

I really think you need to set a higher bar for those that shepherd. You say he (Osteen) teaches some flawed stuff, but that's ok... No it's not!!! We are blessed with Godly people who stick to biblical truths and share the pure Gospel without conceding anything. Why would you defend someone who you admit does these things???

Christians need to use discernment. You've stated that you live alone and find a lot of time to explore your faith. Do you have a church community and a home pastor that doesn't concede the things Osteen does? I hope you do. I hope you have counsel that you can depend on for a solid rock of guidance. If you do, I would seek his advisement on these evangelists you are latching on to. I'm just concerned that you don't have the "iron sharpens iron" counsel of biblical Christians.

As for Hinn, think of Jesus and his disciples. Could you imagine for one second them being lapped in luxury as he is, or Osteen for that matter? I've never listened to Hinn, to be honest, so I can't comment at all on his theology, but the appearance of living in excess is enough for me.

As I said before, I believe you have a heart for God. It just seems like you need a higher bar for the people that pastor others. Getting off track from biblical truths and the Gospel is where the enemy can get a foothold. I hope you have that biblical counsel I was talking about.
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I am NOT latching on to Joel Osteen. I don't even LIKE the man. All I am saying is that he's not the Anti-Christ ok?

As for Benny Hinn, I have heard him teach quite a bit, and he has great revelation into the deep things of God. It would take an awful lot to convince me he is a bad guy. An associate Pastor at my church didn't believe in him either, but he decided to check out a crusade. Man he said that power and presence of God was all over that place. And I believe him, as he is a wonderful man of God. And my pastor is the most devoted and faithful to God of anyone I have met personally. He has great biblical understanding. I have very sound counsel. When I was going though a particularly traumatic experience, he said "You call me day or night, I don't care if it's 3 o'clock in the morning, you call me." He is an excellent shepherd. My elders (our church assigns people to different elders for spiritual leadership) are equally as devoted to God. I mean spending hours in prayer and in the Word everyday.

And like I have said, I've read the NT a WHOLE LOT. I am not ignorant of scripture in the least. And God has given me a lot of revelation.

I think I will do a purposeful search through the scriptures about prosperity and start a post. Who knows, maybe I will learn something. Maybe others will too.
 
hmm visions is one thing, but i would be cautious of visions.

not all visions are of God. physical manifestations is another.yes he's clear, a video of the appeereance on the balcony and the Lord walking down the aisle.

quite clear.

how can one videotape a vision walking down an aisle. visions often dont take physically form
most of the muslims have dreams of jesus not visions.

i had one this morning, of healing others. a dream.

not sure what that was.

i'm stupid work with me. when you state phyiscally manifestion that means you are not a spirit but able to touch.

john saw Jesus in a vision. he was in heaven when he did.he was praying and the Lord came to him and gave him a vision.but was he physically on the earth when he had that? i dont think so. i think John felt the presence and also that the Lord put images in his mind of what he wanted to see.
 
jasoncran said:
hmm visions is one thing, but i would be cautious of visions.

not all visions are of God. physical manifestations is another.yes he's clear, a video of the appeereance on the balcony and the Lord walking down the aisle.

quite clear.

how can one videotape a vision walking down an aisle. visions often dont take physically form
most of the muslims have dreams of jesus not visions.

i had one this morning, of healing others. a dream.

not sure what that was.

i'm stupid work with me. when you state phyiscally manifestion that means you are not a spirit but able to touch.

john saw Jesus in a vision. he was in heaven when he did.he was praying and the Lord came to him and gave him a vision.but was he physically on the earth when he had that? i dont think so. i think John felt the presence and also that the Lord put images in his mind of what he wanted to see.
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I'm just plain not sure if Jesus would physically appear on the earth. That's the honest truth, I just don't know. But I still think Benny wasn't lying. I think he believed what he said, even if it was wrong. And yes, I agree you must be careful with visions. Test the spirits the bible says.
 
faithtransforms said:
jasoncran said:
hmm visions is one thing, but i would be cautious of visions.

not all visions are of God. physical manifestations is another.yes he's clear, a video of the appeereance on the balcony and the Lord walking down the aisle.

quite clear.

how can one videotape a vision walking down an aisle. visions often dont take physically form
most of the muslims have dreams of jesus not visions.

i had one this morning, of healing others. a dream.

not sure what that was.

i'm stupid work with me. when you state phyiscally manifestion that means you are not a spirit but able to touch.

john saw Jesus in a vision. he was in heaven when he did.he was praying and the Lord came to him and gave him a vision.but was he physically on the earth when he had that? i dont think so. i think John felt the presence and also that the Lord put images in his mind of what he wanted to see.
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I'm just plain not sure if Jesus would physically appear on the earth. That's the honest truth, I just don't know. But I still think Benny wasn't lying. I think he believed what he said, even if it was wrong. And yes, I agree you must be careful with visions. Test the spirits the bible says.
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It is not a matter as to if it was wrong. It is either wrong or correct. Benny was lying ! So that means he told a lie. And as far as Joel, he tries not to lie, but he does not speak the truth either, which is a lie in and of itself. And Joel has said some off the wall comments as well, lets not forget.

No, Jesus would not appear physically. The next time they see Jesus, its not going to fun for them. He is coming with his saints , and for lack of a better way of saying this, all hell is going to occur. And Christ and his saints are going to kick butt - spiritually speaking of course. :lol
 
faithtransforms said:
MMarc said:
faithtransforms said:
There are COUNTLESS numbers of people who have been saved through Christian Television. I mean MILLIONS. They are not all frauds.

Yes, television is expensive and yes, the money comes from the church members or partners of ministries. I wouldn't say Joel Osteen is doing a great work in his church, but I believe people are getting born again, people are getting saved there, even if they are hearing extremely weak and misguided teaching. God can anoint anyone at any time to get a message across. He has spoken through a donkey, surely he can speak through Joel Osteen, LOL!

God actually anointed the meow of my cat once!!! I was drifting away from God and was looking at a Native American spirituality book and liking it (and I believe salvation can be lost, so this was bad news). Well, my petite little black cat Moriah, whom I had rescued from a 7-11 at a young and who had had to hunt for her food, etc. was sitting on the back of the couch about two feet from my face. Well, there is something special about this little cat, a purity that I cannot describe, probably because of her birth in the wild. But I was looking at this book and digging it and then I looked over at Moriah and she just gave me this small little innocent meow. Man, it hit me like a ton of bricks!!! INSTANTLY, I bowed my face before God and repented. I knew no one could create such a pure and beautiful creature but the Holy God of the bible and I got off the couch and went straight to church.
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Hey Faith, God does use all His creation to speak to us. I met an amazing sister in Christ who like you loves animals, you even share her hair color (coverage). And she is very sensitive to her natural surroundings of God's creation.

God uses her in serious warfare, we met at an open Heavens conference and I sense in you much anointing for creation. There No doubt in my Spirit that you are or would be a great intercessor for the Lord.

And even maybe a prayer warrior. If you haven't yet, check out xpmedia with Paricia King, she's a real angel who gathers the elect.

Women in this Day are making up some of the greatest warriors in God's end time army for sure. Because of purity we see in them. Remember it was Eve who called the ennemy a deceiver, so many sisters have that amazing anointing to warfare.

Have you ever considered deliverance ministry or intercession?

Be blessed.

Marc
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Thank you Marc :) Your post blessed me greatly <3. Yes, I have considered both ministries and am still seeking the Lord about His purpose for my life. I am already an intercessor, although I don't do it as much as I would like to (always gotta fight the flesh!) but I am on the Intercessory team at my church and am considering becoming one of Benny Hinn's prayer warriors (maybe this is confirmation?) because my church only sends an email or two a day to intercede for. And of course I intercede for my lost loved ones, for my church, the Body of Christ, the poor, etc. But my church teaches that EVERY believer has a ministry of intercession, and I agree. And I have definitely been active in spiritual warfare at different times. Whether it be praising God at the top of my voice or telling Satan he is under my feet and to take his hands off God's property. Consistency in my walk with the Lord is something I am still very much working on. In fact, I think I need to do some warring today because satan is trying to steal my revelation and he's just gonna have to bow his knee to the Name of Jesus!!!

And I have definitely considered deliverance also. I think I am still in the process of being delivered from some things and once I have the victory, I beliieve I may well be active in that ministry as well.

I will definitely check more into Patricia King, I think I may have seen her on God TV and I liked her, so I will check more into it.

Again, thanks for your post, it really blessed me :)
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You're welcome! Praying you get out of what you need to, and you're not alone for sure.
Sometimes it's when you'll be used greatly by God that the enemy works the hardest to stop.

The lukewarm he doesn't bother with, but with what is coming I sense the lukewarm are gonna get serious for God real quick like, real soon.

And if you need prayer, let moi know!

Thanks for sharing about Jesus visiting you, isn't it cool! But even if all eyes would see Jesus not all eyes will recognize Jesus when He resurrects after 2 ''days''. Hosea 6:2-3

Be bless.
 
I say that not only Joel O. but there are many preachers in America who preach not the truth anymore but a sugar and chocolate coated Scripture. This is a total distortion of the true message of Christ which is: repentance, righteousness, holiness, denial of the flesh, separation from the world and obedience to God's will. What did these churches do to the community and to the country? They produced Christians who's heart are hardened, blind, proud, arrogant, lovers of money, pleasure, haters of good, having a form of godliness but denying its power. Why? because these preachers preach forgiveness without repentance; preach love without judgement; preach heaven without hell. They turn the truth into lie and turn the lie into truth. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Their sins will follow them. Jude 1:11 (NIV) tells us, "Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam's error; they have been destroyed in Korah's rebellion." Now a days, people have itching ears. They only want to hear the preacher they like. They are not after the truth anymore. Sounds like we are in the last days...Hmmm.
 
Yes, true. All sugar sweet, marketed for maximum market share, no cross, almost nothing is real or based on the real gospel. Watched Olsteen just once, and his wife also once. Wouldn't want to do it again, and just had no idea why anyone would be dumb enough to actually call this christian in any way or form. He talked about 'grace' in connection with getting a very good deal on a cell phone for his son or daugher and got "blessed that much" that he got one for free on top, and his wife gave a sermon that had something to do with maximizing prosperity in your business. Grief. That's as American as Oprah, all smiles, no brain, almost beyond repair dumb and blind. I cannot say it in any nicer words, what good can one say about a display of death. But presented with a properous smile that seems to be somehow simulating a form of life.

And nobody can repent anymore either. Repent of what? they ask, sin is dealt with at the cross, and now we're not under the law anymore. Just like satanists, they also never had respect for any law. Now they identify with the same type of philosophy. Of course only in practise, not by outward conviction, it's all hidden under high flying doctrine that convinces them that it's all "spiritual sound" and actually an advancement and not a decline. That's the mystery of Babylon, it really makes you believe you moved ahead when you brake all of God's laws, and not worried one bit about it. All sound asleep. What we're Babylon? No way. Of course not, would you able to clearly see that, you could depart and be different.

Taking this as a standard there is no way anybody would know the difference between real Christians and posing Luciferians on the preacher's side. And it's only Babylon that would classify guys like Hinn or Copeland as christians. Even the less charming and nice Europeans can see these clearly as what they really are, and it's not a serious discernment challenge either, just watch youtube and their own "best moments" and interviews. Wolves with smart schemes to make 'maximum cash in minimum time' to fill up their jets. Copeland is the richest. But Hinn has one clever trick to make one million in 10 minutes, so he could catch up eventually if not the impending dollar crash comes first.
 
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