- Oct 23, 2003
Just getting any notions of sinlessness off the table. Which some here promote, surprisingly. I haven't posted here in quite awile. It seems to be a newer wrinkleThere is no mention of elimination of sin in 1 John 1:9 nor were we discussing the elimination of sin, so I’m a bit perplexed by your reply.
John 3:8 is clear about sin being "of the devil"Earlier you said sin was from Satan which is why I posted that verse. 1John 1:9 says, “Our sins”. It doesn’t say Satans sins.
So is Mark 4:15 likewise clear about sin being of the devil i.e. theft of Word.
As is Satan's presentation of being a deceiver, a liar, a thief, a destroyer, a tempter and a killer, a capturer, the blinder of minds, the spirit of disobedience, all the bulk of which transpires in mankind.
I would only concur that whatever "lusts" people are prone to are courtesy of devils and as such, theirs to bear in particular.
James also acknowledges that believers can be prone to having devilish wisdom as well.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Seems rather obvious, doesn't it?
Let's presume that random evil thoughts are attributed to Satan/devils. That doesn't mean such things that transpire in us does NOT have repercussions, at least unto the perps. To think we skate for "their" intrusions is probably not true at all. We all pay a price in our own flesh for sin, which is ultimately death, the wages of sin. Romans 6:23, Romans 8:10And we’re in agreement here.
If we explore this a bit deeper, let’s say a random evil thought pops into your head seemingly out of nowhere. Regardless if it’s Satan or our flesh, we are not responsible, nor held accountable for that thought. What we are responsible for, is the action we take with that thought. Do we embellish the thought which leads to sin? Or do we take it captive to Gods word?
As to evil thoughts not being a big deal, Jesus did not cut us that kind of slack
Matthew 15:19-20 Mark 7:21-23 and Matthew 5:28 all show that evil thoughts defile us, and it's not presented as optional to have them
Big caveat with Jesus, that being "without sin"Jesus was tempted, and he resisted and was without sin. If we follow Jesus, he has shown us the way to navigate temptation.
I'm not jumping into the "I'm sinless" pool because it's a lie. Why? Because the tempter is jumping in as well, and I'm not cutting that bad actor a spittle of slack or excuse
We're forgivenWhen we sin, we have a Father who desires to forgive us, and we have a savior who will never leave or forsake us.
In short, grace does not condone sin. Instead, grace says, “What you did was wrong, but Ive got you covered. Together, we’ll get you through this and you’ll hit the mark.”
The devils are not
Therein resides the walk of Mercy in the Grace of God in Christ,, because apart from that, we'd be instant toast