Losing Salvation after getting saved?

[JLB]

Christ is in you so ... that we may also be glorified together with him.​

That literal truth is being emphasized, nine times.

Anti-OSAS literally de-emphasizes the glorification of Christ.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2 NKJV

The condition is set forth literally in his opening statement.


Glorification of Christ?

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors--not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Romans 8:9-17 NKJV

We will be glorified WITH HIM, IF we satisfy the conditions of suffering WITH HIM.

The Glorification of Christ is mentioned 9 times???

Please point out the 9 times the Glorification of Christ is mentioned in these verses.


JLB









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[reba]

Not necessarily directed at the last poster....

 

[Eugene]

'He who believes'. You can take that to the bank. But stop believing, and, well, the Bible says you don't have a sacrifice for sin left any more.

2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him:

2 Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful:

 

[JLB]

2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him:

2 Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful:

12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.


Just because we are faithless, or weak in faith, does not persuade Him to be faithless, as He will remain faithful...

Notice this verse says He will remain faithful, it doesn't say we somehow remain faithful, but He remains faithful.

If we deny Him, He will deny us.

9 But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God. 10 And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven. Luke 12:9

If we deny Him, He will deny us. Is this said to an unbeliever or believer.

How can someone deny, in whom they don't believe.

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. Revelation 2:10 NKJV


What does the scriptures have to say, about what our part is in strengthening our faith so that in the day of our testing we can be found faithful, even faithful unto death.


JLB

 

[gr8grace3]

'He who believes'. You can take that to the bank. But stop believing, and, well, the Bible says you don't have a sacrifice for sin left any more. But so many claim that you 'really' do.

What OSAS can't prove is that a believer can not stop believing. Which is simply amazing to me since the Bible plainly talks about those who believe and then stop believing, and what happens to them for doing that.



The subtle deception is, so many in the church have heard nothing but OSAS doctrine all their lives that they can't see the condition for inheriting the promise...overcoming. Worse yet, they can't see what the Bible plainly says will happen to those who believe, but who do not continue to believe, and who do not overcome, and fail to endure to the very end. Now that's deception. An error of interpretation is one thing. Reading plain words of scripture and not seeing them is quite another.



Only the plain words of scripture will protect the believer from deception. Like these plain words:

"23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful...

26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longerremains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIREWHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Mosesdies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE." " (Hebrews 10:23,26-30 NASB emphasis in original)

But if one chooses to go with the added interpretations of less detailed scriptures over what is plainly written in our Bibles there really isn't much hope for that person ever seeing the truth of the plain words....in this life, anyway. On the Day of Judgment, it will be clear to everyone. Non-OSASer's, who chose the path of overcoming and did not take false comfort in a 'you don't really have to overcome' message can in no way be disappointed on that day. But those who did take false comfort in that message and did not overcome...well, the Bible really does plainly say what will happen to them.

The bottom line is, the non-OSAS who heeds the warning of scripture above can't be disappointed by enduring to the very end if OSAS is true. But the OSASer? He's gambling his eternity with what he believes if he's wrong. It's funny that the non-OSASer is the one who is accused of the treacherous work of evil for telling others about enduring in faith in Christ. Amazing.

Jethro, we actually line up on a lot of things. It is the motivation that we differ on.

It is actually one, or maybe 2 doctrines that we see different. Positional sanctification and experiential/progressive sanctification.

Your going to read the bible,study,worship,do missions,feed the poor and live the Christian way of life to gain or keep a position.

I am doing those things because I have that position. I rely on what Christ has already done for me.

Living the Christian way of life is not the means to salvation or maintaining salvation. The Christian way of life is the result of salvation.

The bottom line is, if our motivation is trying to maintain what Christ has already done, loss of salvation people will have ALL of their, bible reading,worship,study,missions and so on, burned up. And possibly not even making it if that person never at one time put their faith in Jesus Christ.

Your warnings and loss of salvation verses are warnings to the believer in experiential/progressive sanctification. The way we live and the choices we make. They are never for the believer in their position in Christ.

 

[gr8grace3]

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2 NKJV

The condition is set forth literally in his opening statement.


Glorification of Christ?

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors--not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Romans 8:9-17 NKJV

We will be glorified WITH HIM, IF we satisfy the conditions of suffering WITH HIM.

The Glorification of Christ is mentioned 9 times???

Please point out the 9 times the Glorification of Christ is mentioned in these verses.


JLB
Romans 8:1NASB~~Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The KJV added,"Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." It is not found in the originals in verse 1 of chapter 8.

*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
*Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1 T/ord
oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8

We are being intellectually dishonest and biblically dishonest if we continue to use the KJV of this verse.

Romans 8:1NASB~~Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The KJV added,"Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." It is not found in the originals in verse 1 of chapter 8.

*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
*Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1 T/ord
oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8

We are being intellectually dishonest and biblically dishonest if we continue to use the KJV of this verse.

 

[Eugene]

12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

Just because we are faithless, or weak in faith, does not persuade Him to be faithless, as He will remain faithful...

Notice this verse says He will remain faithful, it doesn't say we somehow remain faithful, but He remains faithful.

If we deny Him, He will deny us.

Which bible are you quoting?

2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Are you dead with Christ?
To not believe do you come to life again?

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Considering your reply I suppose you're not assured of this huh?

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:
Please tell me your interpretation and presumed context of this verse.
I read here that our enduring has to do with reigning or not reigning with Christ; not denying our salvation.
Another scripture shows this same reason for suffering or enduring with Christ, and that is the benefit of being a joint heir with Christ if we endure with Him. "
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Abiding, enduring or suffering, and patiently keeping the word of God has great reward for the believer such as we read in Rev 3:10, Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world,

2 Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny Himself. Just who are Himself that He cannot deny? Is it not the church?
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[gr8grace3]

Which bible are you quoting?

2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Are you dead with Christ?
To not believe do you come to life again?

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Considering your reply I suppose you're not assured of this huh?

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:
Please tell me your interpretation and presumed context of this verse.
I read here that our enduring has to do with reigning or not reigning with Christ; not denying our salvation.
Another scripture shows this same reason for suffering or enduring with Christ, and that is the benefit of being a joint heir with Christ if we endure with Him. "
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Abiding, enduring or suffering, and patiently keeping the word of God has great reward for the believer such as we read in Rev 3:10, Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world,

2 Tim 2:13 If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny Himself. Just who are Himself that He cannot deny? Is it not the church?
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

What a pleasure to read this. Thank You.

2 Tim 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:....Aorist active indicative of suvapoqvnskw, dead with. It is saying If we be dead with Him and we are. And we WILL live with Him. If we are dead with Him and we are, we also share His Life which is THE life.

God Bless Brother

 

[Eugene]

Romans 8:1NASB~~Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The KJV added,"Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." It is not found in the originals in verse 1 of chapter 8.

We are being intellectually dishonest and biblically dishonest if we continue to use the KJV of this verse.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The additional words “Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” in Rom 8:1 is either a copy or transliteration mistake in the KJV which does not appear in many newer translations.

Scofield has an interesting note concerning Rom 8:1. “The last ten words were evidently copied from v.4, where they properly express the result of “No condemnation,” not its cause.”

 

[gr8grace3]

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The additional words “Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” in Rom 8:1 is either a copy or transliteration mistake in the KJV which does not appear in many newer translations.

Scofield has an interesting note concerning Rom 8:1. “The last ten words were evidently copied from v.4, where they properly express the result of “No condemnation,” not its cause.”

That is exactly what I suppose happened. Scofield has that spot on.

 

[jonahmano]

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The additional words “Who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” in Rom 8:1 is either a copy or transliteration mistake in the KJV which does not appear in many newer translations.

Scofield has an interesting note concerning Rom 8:1. “The last ten words were evidently copied from v.4, where they properly express the result of “No condemnation,” not its cause.”

what's wrong in last ten words of Romans 8:1? It's perfectly fitting and it's inspired by the Holy Ghost

 

[Eugene]

what's wrong in last ten words of Romans 8:1? It's perfectly fitting and it's inspired by the Holy Ghost

Dear brother, it was not in the original parchments as I understand it, and most bibles do not include it in their translations. Notice the different translations at the link below as to how they read on Rom 8:1. http://biblehub.com/romans/8-1.htm

 

[JLB]

Romans 8:1NASB~~Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The KJV added,"Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." It is not found in the originals in verse 1 of chapter 8.

*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
*Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1 T/ord
oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8

We are being intellectually dishonest and biblically dishonest if we continue to use the KJV of this verse.

Let's verify this dishonesty that you claim

Romans 8:1NASB~~Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

The KJV added,"Who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." It is not found in the originals in verse 1 of chapter 8.

*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
*Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1 T/ord
oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8

We are being intellectually dishonest and biblically dishonest if we continue to use the KJV of this verse.

Let's see from the context of this writing what is "dishonest" about the use of the King James and New King James?


1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit...For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. Romans 8:1,5-7 NKJV

Who do not walk according to the flesh...for to be carnally minded is death!


If we compare the language in verse 1, ...who do not walk according to the flesh, with the language in the same paragraph, ...to be carnally minded is death, we see the truth.

The truth is, those who have "REMOVED" the phrase, who do not walk after the flesh, from their newer version, are providing the grounds for a "dishonest" interpretation of God's Word.


JLB

 

[WIP]

A reminder to all: ToS 2.7 states "All Bible verses and passages must be referenced (NASB, NIV, etc.) unless it is public domain like the KJV, YLT, etc." Please start referencing which translation you are using when quoting scripture. This is a matter of law, not just our ToS, and it is also a matter of transparency to our readers to not make them search through countless translations to find the one you are quoting from if they want to read the scripture in it's context in that translation. This applies to all of us. Thanks.

FYI, the NKJV is NOT public domain and not to be confused with the KJV.

Thanks for the reminder. I know I've forgotten a time or two as I often quote from the NKJV.

 

[gr8grace3]

Let's verify this dishonesty that you claim


Let's see from the context of this writing what is "dishonest" about the use of the King James and New King James?


1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit...For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. Romans 8:1,5-7 NKJV

Who do not walk according to the flesh...for to be carnally minded is death!


If we compare the language in verse 1, ...who do not walk according to the flesh, with the language in the same paragraph, ...to be carnally minded is death, we see the truth.

The truth is, those who have "REMOVED" the phrase, who do not walk after the flesh, from their newer version, are providing the grounds for a "dishonest" interpretation of God's Word.


JLB

It was added JLB, not removed.

Center for Computer Analysis of Texts (CCAT)
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*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686
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oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
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vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
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The UBS4
gives its omission an “A” rating
(certain).

 

[gr8grace3]

Let's verify this dishonesty that you claim


Let's see from the context of this writing what is "dishonest" about the use of the King James and New King James?


1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit...For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. Romans 8:1,5-7 NKJV

Who do not walk according to the flesh...for to be carnally minded is death!


If we compare the language in verse 1, ...who do not walk according to the flesh, with the language in the same paragraph, ...to be carnally minded is death, we see the truth.

The truth is, those who have "REMOVED" the phrase, who do not walk after the flesh, from their newer version, are providing the grounds for a "dishonest" interpretation of God's Word.


JLB

And if we do a careful study of the verse. Who do not walk according to the flesh does not fit contextually. Walking according to the spirit, is the result of the fact that we have no condemnation in Christ. Walking in the Spirit is not the means to no condemnation and "Getting" in Christ.

The means to no condemnation is being "in Christ" we Can NOT walk in the Spirit if we are not in Christ. If we are not "In Christ" we walk in the flesh and are condemned.

We cannot walk in the Spirit until we are In Christ. And NO condemnation comes before we can walk in the Spirit.

It is 100% impossible for us to walk in the Spirit as condemned or possibly condemned creatures. We have to be "In Christ" and totally justified through His work on the Cross.

 

[Obadiah]

Thanks for the reminder. I know I've forgotten a time or two as I often quote from the NKJV.

I have too. When I said a "reminder to all" that meant me too! Ive seen an issue or two lately where scripture was quoted but people who wanted to read from the same version for themselves couldn't find the exact quote and had to ask. Hence the reminder to all of us.

 

[JLB]

And if we do a careful study of the verse. Who do not walk according to the flesh does not fit contextually. Walking according to the spirit, is the result of the fact that we have no condemnation in Christ. Walking in the Spirit is not the means to no condemnation and "Getting" in Christ.

The means to no condemnation is being "in Christ" we Can NOT walk in the Spirit if we are not in Christ. If we are not "In Christ" we walk in the flesh and are condemned.

We cannot walk in the Spirit until we are In Christ. And NO condemnation comes before we can walk in the Spirit.

It is 100% impossible for us to walk in the Spirit as condemned or possibly condemned creatures. We have to be "In Christ" and totally justified through His work on the Cross.

Those who set their minds on the flesh. That is a willful act of those who are in Christ Jesus.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.


Unless you are saying that those who are in Christ, now have no choice or free will to choose??

The context is clear, those who are in Christ Jesus, are encouraged and admonished to make the choice to set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

To avoid being carnally minded, and to avoid walking in the lust of the flesh.

• Do not walk according to the flesh...
• Do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness...
• Do not set your minds on the things of the flesh...
• Do not be carnally minded...

All these commandments from the Holy Spirit through Paul are to those who are in Christ Jesus.


What your doctrine teaches is that the Church can completely disobey this commandments and live however they choose and still be saved at the appearing of Christ Jesus.


JLB

 

[chessman]

Happy Mellennial! Post # 1,000!

The following is a listing of all the Scriptures that have been posted on this Thread so far (Post # 241 of 1,000 posts).
Attached is a pdf file (if anybody is interested) that contains the OSAS comments about these Scriptures (left column) and the anti-OSAS comments (Right column) about these Scriptures. i.e. the "red meat" of this Thread without any fluff. Strictly the discussion about the text itself.

To the Moderators. It's a long file (sorry). But you can trust me. There's no ToS violations within it. In fact, there's no banter or anything personal whatsoever in it. I merely copy/paste the relavent comments someone (yes from both sides) made about the Scripture from their posts and then the relavent Scriptural rebutal from another post.

Deu 30:12-14
Psalm 56:8
Psa_103:12
Psa_3:8
Matthew 7:21-23
Mark 13:13
John 1:12
John 3:16-17
John 5:24
John 6:37
John 6:39-40
John 10:27-29
John 10:28 .
John 17:3
Rom 5:1
Romans 3:21-2821
Romans 5:1-2
Rom 8:15-16
Rom 8:23
Romans 11:1
Romans 11:20-22
1 Cor 1:21
1 Cor 6:9-11
1 Corinthians 9:26-27
1 Cor 12:13
1Corinthians 15:1-2
1 Corinthians 15:11-17
2 Cor 1:21-22
2 Corinthians 5:17
Gal 4:4-5
Eph 1:3-5
Eph 1:13-14
Eph 2:4-9
Eph 2:19
Eph 4:30
Philippians 2:12
Php 3:20
Colossians 1:21-23
Col 2:9-13
Col 2:11-12
2 Tim 2:11-13
2 Ti 4:3-4
Heb 6:4-6
Heb 6:10
Heb 6:13
Heb 10:22-23
Hebrews 10:26-27
Hebrews 10:29
Hebrews 10:34-39
Hebrews 11:1
Hebrews 12:17
James 1:6-8
1 Peter 1:3-9
2 Peter 2:20-22
1 John 5:10-11).
1 John 5:13
2 John 1:9
Rev_3:16
Rev 17:8
Rev 21:1-3

 

[Obadiah]

Unbelievable! 1000 posts in one thread! I didn't even think our system allowed that! :shock

I'll have to take a look at your PDF file when I get time later today. It sounds interesting.