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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Losing Salvation after getting saved?
- Thread starter jonahmano
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28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
BUT Hebrews 10:28-29 is the unpardonable Sin. It is put in contrast with physical death in the law of Moses.
For if we continue sinning(rejection of Christ) how much worse will it be!
vs 28 the lesser verdict of physical death by rejecting the mosaic law.
vs 29 is the severe verdict for the unpardonable Sin of rejecting Christ......eternal lake of fire.
Insulting the SPIRIT of Grace is rejecting the Holy Spirit message of providing the true knowledge of Christ and His Grace.
Dear Brother @gr8grace3, I would suggest that being born of God, attempting to add to the finished work of our Savior on the cross is in fact ignorance, and Christ profits us nothing in that act, but as we read of in Gal 5:1-4 below:
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. (Don't think obeying one law is the satisfying of the law that is a ministration of death.)
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (This doesn't say we become lost.)
Falling from grace is not losing our salvation, but the manner in which God works in us. As you mentioned, would we be insulting the Spirit of Grace? God addresses our need with mercy through grace.Heb 4:16. And even if we believe not, Jesus remains faithful; He cannot deny us, His very body. 2 Tim 2:13.
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. (Don't think obeying one law is the satisfying of the law that is a ministration of death.)
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (This doesn't say we become lost.)
Falling from grace is not losing our salvation, but the manner in which God works in us. As you mentioned, would we be insulting the Spirit of Grace? God addresses our need with mercy through grace.Heb 4:16. And even if we believe not, Jesus remains faithful; He cannot deny us, His very body. 2 Tim 2:13.
A born again christian will never insult the grace of God because he knows this grace not only saved him from hell but it also formed a relationship with God. There is no greater gift, and a true christian knows this grace. This mysterious and awesome grace formed out of love.
Cast off? What do you mean.
Cast off? What do you mean.
after we have received the knowledge of the truth...
Insulting the Spirit of Grace and trampling the blood of Jesus is clearly done AFTER We have received the knowledge of the truth.
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
JLB
Oh, well if a Christian would never do these things then never mind.
I will just ignore what the scriptures say and take your word for it.
Thanks for clearing that up.
JLB
Receiving knowledge of the truth and receiving his grace is not the same JLB.
Romans 1:18-25 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Edward
2024 Supporter
(Good question!) NO! But, we are spiritual beings!
I have had two pretty darn good friends. True? Hard to say. I'd like to say so, but we never went through anything so deep so as to test it so to speak. God has already shown me in my walk with Him that He is a truer friend than any man could ever be.
What's the difference? God is our true friend because He is God? Like in, because of His power and authority? I would disagree with that. I think it is more to do with His character, that He has honor personally. There are other very powerful spiritual beings who have a very different character and are not honorable. Lucifer for instance. SO I don't think we can say that God is a true friend or will never forsake us because He is GOD. It's because He is good in His heart and very loving. Lucky for us. With all His power, He doesn't have to be nice and no one can do anything about it. But He is wise and loving and has a good heart and personality. The best!
and I agree, He will NEVER forsake us. Never ever. Because of His character and nature like you say. But if we forsake Him...He just leaves us alone to our own devices. We have until our death bed to turn to Him. It's our choice. He has never forced Himself upon anyone.
I agree brother, and if a post of mine suggests otherwise I was horrible at my wording.
There is NOTHING that takes us out of His Grace. We might think or act as we have, but He is faithful.
Your desperation to say just about anything to distort what the scriptures say and to whom the scriptures are referring is well noted by all who read your post's.
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. 26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:23-27
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
A sacrifice for sins!!!
Sorry brother, this is written to Christians.
JLB
Edward
2024 Supporter
I like this post. very similar to what i am believing. It's all about focus of the heart and spirit I think. When you're in the spirit and properly focused, belief and trust are without doubt. It's when we start living in the flesh again that doubt creeps in and uncertainty is present. But can faith be in vain? If you're in the flesh it can be.
Scripture says, many will say in that day, Lord Lord...and they will get turned down. Because He never knew them. They were living in the flesh and not for the spirit. plenty of faith, but a deception unto themselves and indeed bound for the lake of fire. They know God is real (even the demons believe, and tremble.) So what's going on there? Is God forsaking them? No, He is not. They simply did not believe (read trust) and pursue this relationship with the Lord, i.e., live for the spirit. Total surrender and open contrite heart willing to receive and listen and be led.
How many times in scripture are we instructed to live for the spirit? God is a spirit, and we (are spiritual beings) are to worship in spirit and in truth. Not in the flesh, leaning upon our own understanding, but in spirit. It is at this time that relationship is developed. If we don't do this we do not grow spiritually and receive our identity. This is on a totally different level than the flesh is used to. If we are not open to this then there is no relationship and the faith is all flesh based...and in vain.
This is why we are told to become as little children. We know nothing of the truth, only what it takes to open ourselves to receive it. We're so fleshy (and ignorant of the real truth) that it takes a sort of blind faith, as a child would grasp daddy's hand and to be led forth in safety. It's a spiritual thing, of a spiritual level that the mind can not comprehend. Probably why we're told to pray without ceasing. Most of us probably can not find that spiritual spot within ourselves to open our heart to receive these truths. So perhaps the Lord sees our diligence (in prayer) and at some time rewards us with this spirit to spirit witness of Himself, and reveals Himself to us.
Does that make sense?
Nope, just revealing the facts to you.
It's not me distorting anything, it's your lack of knowledge of the book of Hebrews that is distorting scripture.
No it's not. It's not referring to christians who have received the gift of grace. Receiving the truth and receiving grace is not the same. For example, say I meet you at a coffee shop and you're an old friend from college. I sit down with you and open up a Bible and show you the gospel of truth, you receive the truth and we then depart and go about our business. The person reading the gospel to you has been saved by grace, but the friend has received the truth but went on his way and has not received grace yet. Receiving grace is an act of confession and faith, anybody can receive knowledge of the truth. That's the easy part. The majority of people in this world has received the knowledge of the gospel due to the fact that we have the internet now. But how many of those people have come to faith, very few.
Edward
2024 Supporter
Ok brother.