Name the Impossible in Hebrews 6:1-8

[ChristDependent]

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit.

When believers backslide and then repent with His help, do they need to be born again "again"? No. This is why the exhortations to go on to perfection is being given in verses 1-4 so as to not go through that what new believers have already gone through. Paul explains further that it is impossible for a born again believer to be born again "again".

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

There is no continual need for another sacrifice for sins in renewing themselves for that would mean His blood was not good enough the first time in having ransomed us. See thread on Hebrews 10:26 below.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/name-this-sin-in-hebrews-10-26.63902/

Once we had received Him, we had received life as described below by Paul.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

But when a believer falls away, they are growing thorns and briers that will get burned away by His wrath unless they look to Jesus for help as their Good Shepherd in laying aside every weight & sin so that it is not necessary to burn those thorns and briers away.

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

It is like the wood, stubble, and hay that a believer built on that foundation that will get burned away. ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 )That believer or even a former believer will receive a cursing, because anyone that does not look to Jesus for help in departing from iniquity, will be denied by Him ( Titus 1:15-16 & 2 Timothy 2:10-13 ) to attend the Marriage Supper as a vessel unto honor in His House , and thus becoming a castaway ( 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 ) to be received later on after the great tribulation as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not departing from iniquity ( Matthew 7:21-23 & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 )

So I believe the impossible in Hebrews 6:4 is about a believer being born again "again", and the danger of not looking to Jesus for help in departing from iniquity is to be cursed into becoming a vessel unto dishonor in His House when left behind at the pre trib rapture event. ( Luke 12:40-49 & 1 Peter 4:17-19 )

 

[GodsGrace]

Are you saying:
I'm lost
I become born again
I fall away
I'm lost forever

Did I understand?

Wondering

 

[ChristDependent]

Are you saying:
I'm lost
I become born again
I fall away
I'm lost forever

Did I understand?

Wondering

You misunderstood.

It is impossible for someone to be born again "again", because they are always His, even if they no longer believe in Him and deny Him, but He still abides in them.

There are two kinds of inheritance in the kingdom of heaven and so how He receives us is the question; if a believer, even a former believer, does not look to Him for help in discerning & departing from iniquity, they will be left behind at the pre trib rapture to be received later on as a vessel unto dishonor in His House.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

This is why we exhort one another in running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as our Shepherd so that they may obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus of being that vessel unto honor in His House..

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14 Of these things put them in remembrance,.....18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

So no believer nor former believer having His seal will be lost.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;...

So we are to persuade believers that we need His help to trust Him as our Good Shepherd in helping us to run that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish & to display His crowning achievements in us at the Marriage Supper as His vessels unto honor in His House which is to His glory and to God the Father's.

 

[GodsGrace]

CD

I know this is Apologetics but please do this for me:

Don't post any scripture.
Just tell me what you believe.

I'm slow....

Wondering

 

[ChristDependent]

CD

I know this is Apologetics but please do this for me:

Don't post any scripture.
Just tell me what you believe.

I'm slow....

Wondering

Once saved is always saved, but not every believer will be found ready and abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House to the Marriage Supper.

Those judged by God to be left behind at the pre trib rapture for not looking to Him for help in departing from iniquity, will be received later on, after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, because they are still His.

Now if you need the scripture, go back to read them with His help in my replies to you about this.

 

[smaller]

Once we had received Him, we had received life as described below -

I agree on the one time sufficient sacrifice. Let's look at the stretch in Heb. 6 below, as clearly the writer deploys terms of allegory.

7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

That's part one of the allegory. And it applies to every believer.

But when a believer falls away, they are growing thorns and briers that will get burned away by His wrath unless they look to Jesus for help as their Good Shepherd in laying aside every weight & sin so that it is not necessary to burn those thorns and briers away.

Part 2 of the allegory goes as follows:

8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

This speaks exactly to the flesh AND the impetus of SIN, which is demonic.

Let's examine Paul's flesh for an example of the above:

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

The short answer here is that Paul could not be lost.

and

The messenger of Satan in Paul's own flesh could not be saved.

This is what the writer of Hebrews is speaking of via the same allegory Paul uses to describe the workings of sin in his own flesh. IF these get out of hand, the 'ground' of the believer, THEIR FLESH, is over run with THORNS.

Not much differently that 7 devils coming into the swept flesh house after ONE departed.
http://legacy.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12:45&version=KJV
Matthew 12:
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

What we should be picking up from these scriptural equations is that the FLESH is subject to wickedness, and that wickedness is demonic in nature and can get worse and over run our flesh.

There is not just "a man" or "a person" alone in any of these equations. In our flesh dwells NO GOOD THING.

Romans 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

What was IN Paul's flesh? Sin indwelling (which Paul termed interestingly: NO LONGER I) twice in Romans 7:17-20. Paul also had "evil present" with him. Romans 7:21.

It is quite entirely easy to pinpoint the messenger of Satan in Paul's flesh for these matters. This is also "how" Paul derived the sight of himself as the chief of sinners after salvation in 1 Tim. 1:15 because he was NOT just looking at himself. He gave an ACCOUNT for the operations of the TEMPTER in his own flesh, which all believers have to deal with IN THE FLESH.


This is also WHY the flesh is contrary to and against the Spirit and vice versa. Gal. 5:17

There is no remedy for the flesh. Ultimately it passes away because of sin dwelling in it.

Sin is not forensic. In other words we can NOT cut open the flesh and find sin as organic material. Nor is sin chemical/electrical. Nor is sin "empirically" derived. It can not be found out by empirical means testing.

Paul shows us that SIN was in fact in his MIND in Romans 7:7-13, and that lusts sprang up by sin in his mind which is AGAINST Gods Laws. This is meant precisely to push us ever FURTHER into Christ for HIS MERCY.

There is a promise in the Old Testament, that the THRONE will be established in MERCY.

And yes, Gods Mercy is always sorely needed. God is patient with his crops. We are those crops.

Isaiah 16:5
And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

When the LAST KNOCK comes, and the DOOR is opened, NOT everything of us will be getting through.

I'll leave off on the pre-trib thing. We are promised that through MUCH tribulation we are to enter. And yes, it's going to be a very bumpy ride for the flesh.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

If the sight of a messenger of Satan in Paul's flesh doesn't cause you to see TRIBULATION, we may not have to wait long. My flesh went into tribulation quite awhile back. Probably from the moment Christ entered my heart. I just didn't understand it then.

I do now.

Christ is the enemy of the flesh, or more precisely, the adverse operators therein.

And there will be no peace and no bargaining sessions available.

 

[ChristDependent]

I agree on the one time sufficient sacrifice.

It is good to see. :amen

I believe 2 Corinthians 12:7 was Paul testifying why no one else will be exalting him above measure for the abundance of revelations that he has been giving since he did pretty much had written as led by the Holy Spirit, most of the epistles in the N.T. and that was to say he was hearing voices as the accuser was buffeting him in the flesh. This would persuade people from exalting him higher than they ought to think.

In Romans 7th chapter, I believe Paul was going back and forth between explaining his former state as a sinner under the law to the new reality in Christ Jesus in leading into Romans 8th chapter.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Confirmation can be seen that this was what Paul was talking about as he led into the next chapter.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,...

Paul points out earlier...

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.....6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.....
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

So there is hope in Christ Jesus in Him destroying sin's dominion over our lives.

Thank you for sharing as I pray these following verses will encourage you in your walk with Him in trusting Him as your Good Shepherd in leading you away from temptation & delivering you from the evil one.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

See also the verses in the signature.

 

[iLOVE]

When believers backslide and then repent with His help, do they need to be born again

Where in the bible does it say a Believer who is considered righteous can backslide? Please post the scripture(s).

 

[smaller]

I believe 2 Corinthians 12:7 was Paul testifying why no one else will be exalting him above measure for the abundance of revelations that he has been giving since he did pretty much had written as led by the Holy Spirit, most of the epistles in the N.T. and that was to say he was hearing voices as the accuser was buffeting him in the flesh. This would persuade people from exalting him higher than they ought to think.

At least you see that reality. Congrats. One of few here.

That was exactly what happens with sin. Including that of unbelief in the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, one time. It was one and done. The accuser will always cloud that matter in any manner possible.

In Romans 7th chapter, I believe Paul was going back and forth between explaining his former state as a sinner under the law to the new reality in Christ Jesus in leading into Romans 8th chapter.

The positions put forth in Romans 7 are present tense after salvation.

Paul had "sin" thoughts. Paul did things he hated. Paul did evil. All from Romans 7.

The "works" of sin dwelling in the flesh does not change it's stripes after salvation. If anything they worsen-> BECAUSE the Spirit is against the flesh, because of the sin dwelling therein.

The same LIGHT of Gods Words feeds both sides of the equation. Here for example, we can see that by exposure to the law, sin becomes utterly sinful. This is what caused Paul to view his flesh as DEAD because of sin. And that death had to be repeated, DAILY for him because of the fact of sin in the flesh. 1 Cor. 15:31.

Romans 7:
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Again shown here:

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

This identical principle is show by Jesus in Mark 4:15 where it is seen that Satan is MOVED by Gods Words to RESIST Gods Words.

And this is what happened to SAUL/Paul and to every sinner. The inverse adverse relationship between Gods Word and the resistance of Satan in the flesh has been in the "invisible sphere" since day ONE of mankind.

So, when we view Paul's depiction of himself AND his flesh in which there dwelt sin, evil present, a MESSENGER of Satan,

IF we look honestly, we can see that

ETERNAL LIFE was irrevocably set for Paul by Christ Himself, by GOD IN CHRIST'S WORKING

and

Simultaneously the messenger of Satan in his flesh is slated for the LoF.

For our present life we should learn to understand that because of this God in Christ is both FOR and AGAINST us, because Gods' not dealing just with "an individual."

The Spirit remains firmly set against the FLESH, because of it's subjection to the elemental spirits of wickedness. Paul again delinates these conditions of the natural man, planted in weakness, corruption and dishonor, in 1 Cor. 15:43-49. And shows us from this that there is a first/natural man, and a LAST man, the believer within THE NEW BODY of Christ, A Spiritual Body.

 

[ChristDependent]

Where in the bible does it say a Believer who is considered righteous can backslide? Please post the scripture(s).

You will have to clarify that question.

Are you asking if a believer is considered righteous when he backslides? If so, that is not what I was saying nor what you have quoted me as saying. Here is the quote below;

"When believers backslide and then repent with His help, do they need to be born again.."

Is the believer still saved when he backslides? Yes, because he is still bought with a price and sealed as His with Jesus Christ still abiding in him which is why he is called to depart from iniquity or else.

Is the believer still abiding in Him when he backslides? No, but He is still abiding in the believer even if he does not believe in Him any more.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Is the believer still in fellowship with the Father & the Son when he backslides? No, but he does not need to receive Jesus again because He is still in Him.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Is there a consequence if the believer that had backslidden never repents? Yes, as explained in the OP. They will be left behind at the pre trib rapture event, cursed to be received as vessels unto dishonor.

 

[ChristDependent]

At least you see that reality. Congrats. One of few here.

That was exactly what happens with sin. Including that of unbelief in the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, one time. It was one and done. The accuser will always cloud that matter in any manner possible.

I may not be clarifying my position here. Granted that there will be a continual need to put down sinful thoughts and bring the impulses of our bodies under subjection, but I am referring to what modern society would label Paul as having a "mental illness" in hearing voices that accuse him daily, as these messengers of Satan do even in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

So this is what was given to Paul to not only humble him because of all the revelations he has been given, but to keep him from being exalted in the eyes of others.

Paul begins by speaking of John the apostle for his heavenly encounter from which the Book of Revelation is based on.

2 Corinthians 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.

Thus begins Paul debasement of himself in light of John the apostle.

6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

Paul was not living in sin, but he wanted this accuser he was hearing to depart from him.

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

It was then that Paul acknowledge how this infirmity in the flesh would give him the necessity to rely on Christ all the time.

So not only does Paul lean on Him to keep his body under subjection, but he had leaned on Christ to not allow the accuser to get to him.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

 

[smaller]

I may not be clarifying my position here. Granted that there will be a continual need to put down sinful thoughts and bring the impulses of our bodies under subjection, but I am referring to what modern society would label Paul as having a "mental illness" in hearing voices that accuse him daily, as these messengers of Satan do even in heaven.

The "accuser" of the brethren IS an operational reality in the flesh. In seeing this as foreign intrusion, it is more easily dismissed as some "thing" other than ourselves. Paul termed this working "no longer I" precisely to disassociate himself from that working, so as not to be deceived by thinking it was just him when it wasn't.

Spiritually blinded people do not have this kind of "division" within themselves. Nor do many believers. When we are "saved" we are placed in a position of dominance, not "eradication."

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

So this is what was given to Paul to not only humble him because of all the revelations he has been given, but to keep him from being exalted in the eyes of others.

Sin indwelling the flesh and evil present with us is universal to mankind. It doesn't take long to look around and figure it out. It's problematic when trying to see it as a "universal internal problem" but that IS what scripture teache. See Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2 for the same example of Paul in 2 Cor. 12:7

Paul begins by speaking of John the apostle for his heavenly encounter from which the Book of Revelation is based on.

Thus begins Paul debasement of himself in light of John the apostle.

That is actually mandatory ground to cover for any disciple, as noted by Jesus here. I'm not saying "every believer" will enter into this understanding, but they might in legitimate discipleship:

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

We are subjected to a LOT of slants on this matter, but the shortcut is that sin dwells in our flesh, evil is present with us, evil is demonic/of the devil. So the BASIS of this hatred is entirely DIVINELY WARRANTED. And yes, it is genuine HATED of the Spirit toward the FLESH because of these operations/operators.

Paul was not living in sin, but he wanted this accuser he was hearing to depart from him.

I agree that Paul, viewed from the exterior, would in NO WAY to us appear to be the "chief of sinners" after salvation as he claimed he was. BUT, in view of the messenger of SATAN in his flesh, it is quite easy to see how "he got there," theologically.

It was then that Paul acknowledge how this infirmity in the flesh would give him the necessity to rely on Christ all the time.

Indeed. We are perpetually in NEED, real NEED, of the forgiveness, GRACE and MERCY of God in Christ. These are not fantasy needs.

 

[iLOVE]

You will have to clarify that question.

Are you asking if a believer is considered righteous when he backslides? If so, that is not what I was saying nor what you have quoted me as saying. Here is the quote below;

"When believers backslide and then repent with His help, do they need to be born again.."

Is the believer still saved when he backslides? Yes, because he is still bought with a price and sealed as His with Jesus Christ still abiding in him which is why he is called to depart from iniquity or else.

Is the believer still abiding in Him when he backslides? No, but He is still abiding in the believer even if he does not believe in Him any more.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Is the believer still in fellowship with the Father & the Son when he backslides? No, but he does not need to receive Jesus again because He is still in Him.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Is there a consequence if the believer that had backslidden never repents? Yes, as explained in the OP. They will be left behind at the pre trib rapture event, cursed to be received as vessels unto dishonor.

The path of the righteous gets brighter and brighter everyday. Proverbs 4:18 NASB
When darkness overtakes the godly, light will come bursting in. They are generous, compassionate, and righteous. Psalms 112:4 NLT
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Romans 8:33 NIV

The only way you grieve the Holy Spirit is when your faith is not exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., finished work of Christ, i.e., the Blood of Jesus.

Repenting and Confessing Sin
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10 NKJV

God is telling us that He only operates in the light. You must confess your sins that He reveals to you (This Activates The Cross To Deal With Sin). (Bonus) And He will be faithful to cleanse us from all other sins that you do not know about (The Blood Of Jesus Cleanse Us, Heals Us, Deliver Us, And So Much More!). Failure to do so, you are in darkness and you are a liar. You have know fellowship with Him.

Sanctification is a lifetime on going process. That's how we move from Glory to Glory. Anything other than faith in Christ and the Cross (i.e. finish work of Christ) is SPIRITUAL ADULTRY because you are rising up another god. That includes "Fasting" if done for the wrong reason.

The Holy Spirit, He Works strictly within the parameters of the "Finished Work" i.e., "the Cross of Christ", which demands that our Faith be exclusively in the Cross of Christ. The reason is simple, that's were the price was paid, and the victory was forever won (Romans 6:1-14; 1 Cor. 2:2; Gal. 5; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13-18; Col. 2:14-15).

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we say "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

 

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God is telling us that He only operates in the light. You must confess your sins that He reveals to you (This Activates The Cross To Deal With Sin).

I cringe every time I hear that, as if His Cross is meaningless without our 'activation?'

It's one of the reasons I left the charismatic realm, because their pulpits spew that nonsense perpetually.

Yes the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but we should not see it as meaningless whatsoever, thinking "we" activate it. Jesus paid for His Cross with His Own Life and His Own Blood. We do not "add" to His Work by 'activating it.' uhhhh. makes me just grunt to denigrate His Work like that.

Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

And those false preachers USE the 'activation' of the cross message to get $$$ so they can chase after worldly things. Such a pity that fools toss their money those directions.

 

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That is actually mandatory ground to cover for any disciple, as noted by Jesus here. I'm not saying "every believer" will enter into this understanding, but they might in legitimate discipleship:

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Luke 14:15-24 is about believers making excuses for the cares of this life to not attend the King's Supper.

Luke 14:25-33 is expounding on that point on what it will cost a believer in discipleship because it is not about how we live down here in hating family members or spouses or John 12:25 in hating this life while we are down here in being His disciples, but being ready to leave them all when the Bridegroom comes.

Indeed. We are perpetually in NEED, real NEED, of the forgiveness, GRACE and MERCY of God in Christ. These are not fantasy needs.

I need Him to keep me ready and willing to leave when He comes as the Bridegroom. He is my hope.

 

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Luke 14:25-33 is expounding on that point on what it will cost a believer in discipleship because it is not about how we live down here in hating family members or spouses or John 12:25 in hating this life while we are down here in being His disciples,
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Didn't say it was. It was about self denigration, hating the flesh because of the sin dwelling therein and the evil present with us, the workings of the tempter in the flesh. Has nothing to do with our family. But they have the same condition in the flesh.

Sometimes ya have to look under the covers to see why the hatred, and what it means. We all have a vote of "no confidence" to the flesh of all, ours first and foremost.

Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

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The only way you grieve the Holy Spirit is when your faith is not exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., finished work of Christ, i.e., the Blood of Jesus

There are others ways of grieving the Holy Spirit. You may know this, but just to be sure that you do and for our readers out there.

If a believer sows to the works of the flesh in defiling the temple of the Holy Spirit, He will be grieved.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. KJV

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. KJV

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: KJV

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. KJV

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. KJV

I believe Jesus will finish His work in me and so my hope rests in Him working through the Holy Spirit in meas all the words, gifts, fruits of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. KJV

 

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Didn't say it was. It was about self denigration, hating the flesh because of the sin dwelling therein and the evil present with us, the workings of the tempter in the flesh. Has nothing to do with our family. But they have the same condition in the flesh.

Sometimes ya have to look under the covers to see why the hatred, and what it means. We all have a vote of "no confidence" to the flesh of all, ours first and foremost.

Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Okay. Thanks for the clarification.

 

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There are others ways of grieving the Holy Spirit. You may know this, but just to be sure that you do and for our readers out there.

If a believer sows to the works of the flesh in defiling the temple of the Holy Spirit, He will be grieved.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. KJV

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. KJV

Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: KJV

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. KJV

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. KJV

I believe Jesus will finish His work in me and so my hope rests in Him working through the Holy Spirit in meas all the words, gifts, fruits of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. KJV

Every scripture you have posted can't be done with our will power. The Holy Spirit keeps them through us by placing your faith exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This is how you grieve the Holy Spirit by not having faith in Jesus and Him crucified. God is only moved by faith...and not your, I will, I will, I will. Satan was kick out of heaven because of pride and self. The scripture says the worlds wisdom voids the Cross immediately.

 

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I cringe every time I hear that, as if His Cross is meaningless without our 'activation?'

It's one of the reasons I left the charismatic realm, because their pulpits spew that nonsense perpetually.

Yes the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but we should not see it as meaningless whatsoever, thinking "we" activate it. Jesus paid for His Cross with His Own Life and His Own Blood. We do not "add" to His Work by 'activating it.' uhhhh. makes me just grunt to denigrate His Work like that.

Galatians 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

And those false preachers USE the 'activation' of the cross message to get $$$ so they can chase after worldly things. Such a pity that fools toss their money those directions.

If you do not confess the sins God reveals to you, you are in darkness. If your faith is not exclusively in Christ and the Cross, it means it is in self or something else. Therefore you are living under a voided Cross. 1 John 1:5-10 NKJV, 1 Corinthians 1:17-25 NKJV