Name the Impossible in Hebrews 6:1-8

[Cygnus]

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

This warning from Jesus isn't for nonbelievers if they will be cut off to have their portions with unbelievers.

And do note that even after being cut off, and receiving their stripes, they are still called His servants.

I wish you had something a little stronger or even a second or third verse...as I don't develope theology from a single verse.
To me the verse could indicate the servant wasn't ever saved....as shown by his lifestyle.

Secondly, the first servant isn't mentioned after being cut off but rather a second is mentioned.

 

[iLOVE]

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Explain 2 Timothy 2:13 if nothing else.

If we believe not (believe what He did at the Cross), yet he abideth faithful (despite the unbelief of many, He will be Faithful to Redeem all who come to Him in Faith): He cannot deny himself. (Heaven will never change the Plan of Redemption and Victory, which is the Cross.)

From "The Expositor's Study Bible" Jimmy Swaggart Minstries

 

[JLB]

Those judged by God to be left behind at the pre trib rapture for not looking to Him for help in departing from iniquity,

No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture!

The Gathering of all those who are Christ's, [Resurrection/Rapture] happens at His Coming, which according to Jesus Christ is after the tribulation.

Every time we see the phrase His Coming, it is after the tribulation.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31


Please post the scripture that shows His coming and the resurrection is before the tribulation.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

This scripture is associated with the coming of the Lord, which is plainly after the tribulation.


No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture.


JLB

 

[ChristDependent]

I wish you had something a little stronger or even a second or third verse...as I don't develope theology from a single verse.
To me the verse could indicate the servant wasn't ever saved....as shown by his lifestyle.

I think you need to consider the entire reference with what Jesus is sharing here. You kind of opposed yourself in the next quote from what you had just shared above.

Secondly, the first servant isn't mentioned after being cut off but rather a second is mentioned.

Jesus is warning every saved believer in Luke 12:40-49 to prepare and be ready by Him.

Only saved believers can be cut off as in left behind at the pre trib rapture.

Those cut off are receiving stripes but still called His servants; and thus still saved.

O.T. prophecy regarding the New Covenant on how those that transgress will be visited with stripes but they are still His as that seed is Christ.

Psalm 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

 

[ChristDependent]

If we believe not (believe what He did at the Cross), yet he abideth faithful (despite the unbelief of many, He will be Faithful to Redeem all who come to Him in Faith): He cannot deny himself. (Heaven will never change the Plan of Redemption and Victory, which is the Cross.)

From "The Expositor's Study Bible" Jimmy Swaggart Minstries

Now try asking Him. I certainly cannot help you see the truth in His words.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth....26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[ChristDependent]

No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture!

The Gathering of all those who are Christ's, [Resurrection/Rapture] happens at His Coming, which according to Jesus Christ is after the tribulation.

Every time we see the phrase His Coming, it is after the tribulation.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31

There is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation. We are in the tribulation now with false prophets with signs and lying wonders. Seen any report of these movements of the "spirit"? Like the Pensacola Outpouring, Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade, Toronto Blessings, holy laughter movement, etc?

The disciples had asked the Lord 3 questions at the beginning of Matthew 24th chapter. Jesus is not answering those questions in order so wisdom & discernment from Him is needed.

Please post the scripture that shows His coming and the resurrection is before the tribulation.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

This scripture is associated with the coming of the Lord, which is plainly after the tribulation.

No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture.

JLB

You quoted the saints meeting the risen dead in the clouds, meeting the Lord that had descended with a shout, and thus shall they ever be with the Lord.

Zechariah 14:1-5 has the saints with the Lord when He sets foot on the Mount Olives to battle Satan and the world's armies.

Revelation 20:1-6 has Satan defeated and already in the pit BEFORE the so called first resurrection which that group is only identified as those saints coming out of the great tribulation.

That means the saints of this "so called first resurrection" are not meeting the Lord in the air at that time. He has already set foot on earth with the pre raptured saints in having defeated Satan and the world's armies with Satan bound in the pit.

Thus.. Christ the firstfruits are the pre trib raptured saints, and they that be Christ's at His coming are the left behind unrepentant saints and the new saints as coming out of the great tribulation.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes. But I am beating a dead horse about how God will judge believers and even former believers at the pre trib rapture event where those saved that did not look to Him for help in departing from iniquity, will be left behind to face the fire coming on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation.2

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of their first inheritance, but they will be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

But you still have to deal with this undeniable truth.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

There is no such thing as a former believer. You either believe in who Christ is and accept Him as your Lord and Savior receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit the moment you accept Him, John 3:3-6, or you reject Him. Once the door of Salvation is closed when Jesus returns after that of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgments,1Corinthians15:52, there is no more hope in Him as now comes Gods Great White throne judgment and those who refuse to repent will be cast into the lake of fire. When we are taken up to meet Jesus in the air so is the Holy Spirit taken up with us and that door is closed forever.

 

[ChristDependent]

There is no such thing as a former believer. You either believe in who Christ is and accept Him as your Lord and Savior receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit the moment you accept Him, John 3:3-6, or you reject Him.

At the pre trib rapture, if the former believer does not repent, then He will deny them, BUT even though they believe not any more, He still abides in them which is why there will be vessels unto dishonour in His House.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2: 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Once the door of Salvation is closed when Jesus returns after that of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgments,1Corinthians15:52, there is no more hope in Him as now comes Gods Great White throne judgment and those who refuse to repent will be cast into the lake of fire. When we are taken up to meet Jesus in the air so is the Holy Spirit taken up with us and that door is closed forever.

The door to the Marriage Supper gets closed. Not the door to salvation.

When comes the great white throne judgment... yeah.. there will be no more need for salvation after that.

 

[for_his_glory]

Judas Iscariot was never a believer.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

The filling that His disciples had received was not the promise from the Father, because Jesus was still with them. They were not born again until Jesus had ascended. His remaining disciples were saved at Pentecost, and not before so that they share the same testimony as every other believer in how they had received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ. Scripture supports this at this link below.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...his-disciples-were-actually-born-again.63928/



This is referring to the firstfruits as being separated from those that be left behind as Christ's at His coming. Those not found abiding in Him will be denied; but He still abides which is why they will be received as vessels unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

That is why those who serve Him, do so in the hopes He is ministering to them in getting them ready for the Bridegroom so they can be received as a vessel unto honour in His House which is the eternal glory that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

So yes... those who deny Him will be denied, but He still abides. It is written.

Did you not just post 2 Timothy 2:20,21 and not understand what is said here! Please read it again as it says in a great house meaning those of their own house here on earth that are vessels of honor, but yet there are some in the same household that are of dishonor meaning they have never repented. If those of dishonor do not purge themselves and turn back to God then they are none of His and will be cast into the lake of fire as their names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15; 21:6-8. All sins will be forgiven if one repents of them and after receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but the only sin that will not be forgiven is that of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which one who is indwelled would never do, Matthew 12:31.

 

[ChristDependent]

Did you not just post 2 Timothy 2:20,21 and not understand what is said here! Please read it again as it says in a great house meaning those of their own house here on earth that are vessels of honor, but yet there are some in the same household that are of dishonor meaning they have never repented. If those of dishonor do not purge themselves and turn back to God then they are none of His and will be cast into the lake of fire as their names are not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15; 21:6-8. All sins will be forgiven if one repents of them and after receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but the only sin that will not be forgiven is that of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which one who is indwelled would never do, Matthew 12:31.

The only sin the Holy Spirit will convict is never believing in Jesus.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Therefore the blasphemy is resisting the Holy Spirit in believing in Him in spite of all the miracles that the Holy Spirit had performed by way of Jesus Christ.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

 

[for_his_glory]

At the pre trib rapture, if the former believer does not repent, then He will deny them, BUT even though they believe not any more, He still abides in them which is why there will be vessels unto dishonour in His House.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2: 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.



The door to the Marriage Supper gets closed. Not the door to salvation.

When comes the great white throne judgment... yeah.. there will be no more need for salvation after that.

There is no pretrib rapture as that is another false heresy as scripture says in 1Corinthians 15:52 and Revelation Chapter 19 at the last trumpet meaning at the end of the seventh trumpet call of Gods great wrath on that great and terrible day of the Lord then will Christ return, but that is another topic and we need to keep with the OP.

 

[for_his_glory]

At the pre trib rapture, if the former believer does not repent, then He will deny them, BUT even though they believe not any more, He still abides in them which is why there will be vessels unto dishonour in His House.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2: 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.



The door to the Marriage Supper gets closed. Not the door to salvation.

When comes the great white throne judgment... yeah.. there will be no more need for salvation after that.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

2 Timothy 2:13 Jesus abideth faithful, not Jesus abideth faithful in those that do not believe anymore for if one does not beleieve then they have never known Him or have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 2:18 it's the foundation of God that stands sure having this seal, meaning we are sealed by the Holy Spirit once we repent
2 Corinthians 1:22. The only way to break that seal is by blaspheme of the Holy Spirit as one denounces their faith in Christ, but no true believer would ever do that if they are truly grounded in faith which is Christ Jesus and now the persecutions they will also face for the sake of Christ.

Seriously, you think once we are all gathered to the marriage supper that Jesus is going to say "wait, there might be more to come"! where do you get that teaching from as it's not in scripture nor is any pretrib rapture. If it is please provide the scriptures for any pretrib rapture as I once believed that at one time, but found no scripture to support that theory.

 

[for_his_glory]

The only sin the Holy Spirit will convict is never believing in Jesus.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Therefore the blasphemy is resisting the Holy Spirit in believing in Him in spite of all the miracles that the Holy Spirit had performed by way of Jesus Christ.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

The blasphemy is not resisting the Holy Spirit as it is having and knowing experiencing the Holy Spirit then denounce Him in your life.The Holy Spirit reproves, meaning convicts, rebukes, chastises those that sin against Him as the Holy Spirit judges them. It's like the church of Loadicea that God will spew out of His mouth unless they repent and turn back to Him. Rev 3:15-22. they play the part, but are not following Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture!

The Gathering of all those who are Christ's, [Resurrection/Rapture] happens at His Coming, which according to Jesus Christ is after the tribulation.

Every time we see the phrase His Coming, it is after the tribulation.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31


Please post the scripture that shows His coming and the resurrection is before the tribulation.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

This scripture is associated with the coming of the Lord, which is plainly after the tribulation.


No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture.


JLB

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Matthew 24:29-31 as plain as the nose on your face there is no pretrib. I once used to believe in a pretrib by the way Preachers taught it as they use Rev Chapter 4 for proof, but when I read that for what it actually says and not for the way they explain it there is nothing there that even remotely speaks of any pretrib nonsense. We call these type of people Preachers follows as they are lead around like a bull with a ring in its nose.

 

[ChristDependent]

There is no pretrib rapture as that is another false heresy as scripture says in 1Corinthians 15:52 and Revelation Chapter 19 at the last trumpet meaning at the end of the seventh trumpet call of Gods great wrath on that great and terrible day of the Lord then will Christ return,

A lot of believers will be surprised.

that is another topic and we need to keep with the OP.

as long as posters don't take it to mean loss of salvation, then it will go right back to the pre trib rapture somehow.

 

[ChristDependent]

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Matthew 24:29-31 as plain as the nose on your face there is no pretrib. I once used to believe in a pretrib by the way Preachers taught it as they use Rev Chapter 4 for proof, but when I read that for what it actually says and not for the way they explain it there is nothing there that even remotely speaks of any pretrib nonsense. We call these type of people Preachers follows as they are lead around like a bull with a ring in its nose.

Sorry, brother. But Jesus is answering 3 questions put to Him by the disciples and He is not answering them in order in Matthew 24 th chapter.

 

[for_his_glory]

A lot of believers will be surprised.



as long as posters don't take it to mean loss of salvation, then it will go right back to the pre trib rapture somehow.

There is no loss of salvation, just understanding and will let it at that, God bless you.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry, brother. But Jesus is answering 3 questions put to Him by the disciples and He is not answering them in order in Matthew 24 th chapter.

I'm a sister, LOL. Matthew 24 is a basic outline Jesus is giving the disciples of those things which will come to pass, before the great and terrible day of the Lord as even now, as from the beginning, until the end these things will become world wide and not just localized. The important thing is just be ready for when Jesus returns.

 

[Malachi]

There is no pretrib rapture as that is another false heresy

To call the pre-tribulation rapture a "heresy" is utter nonsense. If anything, it is closer to Bible truth than any other view. NOT ONCE will you find the Rapture connected with the Tribulation period in any Scripture. Indeed, Christ says in connection with the Rapture "let not your heart be troubled". Please note the words of Christ carefully as stated below (John 14:1-4):

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

 

[Malachi]

No such thing as a pre-trib Rapture.

Only because you are confusing the time that Christ comes FOR His saints (the Rapture) with the time that Christ comes WITH His saints (the Second Coming).

There are many Christians who simply fail to understand that before Christ can come WITH His saints, they must be in Heaven with Him for two reasons: (1) the Judgement Seat of Christ which is for believers and (2) the Marriage of the Lamb (which is also for believers). Hence the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is a Divine necessity.

BTW, "the last trump" for the Church cannot possibly coincide with the last trumpet announcing God's final outpouring of wrath. The first is for SALVATION, the second for DAMNATION.