No Pretrib Rapture

[Consecrated Life]

No, it’s the saved, I think. Many will be deceived.

How could any saved person be deceived into believing the antichrist was Jesus ?

 

[7 Thunders]

Christ does not return at any moment:

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)

 

[Consecrated Life]

Christ does not return at any moment:

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)

I'm asking how the saved would believe that the antichrist is Jesus ?

 

[7 Thunders]

How could any saved person be deceived into believing the antichrist was Jesus ?

The Antichrist will be very good at deceiving the world.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4,8-10 (NKJV)

 

[Consecrated Life]

The Antichrist will be very good at deceiving the world.

Of course the world of unbelievers will be deceived .
But you said that Luke 12:40 is directed to the "saved" who have been deceived into thinking the anti-christ is Jesus

Hello, Consecrated Life
I believe Luke 12:40 is saying that most people will be unprepared for Jesus Christ's return. Why?…because they believe Christ, which is really the Antichrist, has already arrived. They have been deceived. The Antichrist com

How could the anti-christ ever convince any "saved" person they he is Jesus ?

 

[7 Thunders]

Of course the world of unbelievers will be deceived .
But you said that Luke 12:40 is directed to the "saved" who have been deceived into thinking the anti-christ is Jesus

How could the anti-christ ever convince any "saved" person they he is Jesus ?

That’s why it’s called the great apostasy.

 

[7 Thunders]

Consecrated Life
The man of sin, Satan, the false-christ, and the son of perdition will set himself up in Jerusalem as Jesus Christ, not as some evil guy who kills people.
The mystery is that the first Jesus who appears will be Satan, the antichrist, the imposter, and the false messiah. However, the entire world, except for those who have the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev. 9:4), will believe he is the real Jesus Christ and worship him as God.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Consecrated Life
However, the entire world, except for those who have the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev. 9:4), will believe he is the real Jesus Christ and worship him as God.

So are you now saying the saved will not be fooled into believing anti-christ is Jesus ?

 

[7 Thunders]

So are you now saying the saved will not be fooled into believing anti-christ is Jesus ?

Those who have the seal of God in their foreheads won’t be deceived.

They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.

- Revelation 9:4

 

[for_his_glory]

So how does all that pre-warning square up with Jesus also saying that He will come at a time that no one thinks He will ?
If there is only one return , there cannot be two different circumstances of the same return.
That is a Yes or a No ?
Why are you unable to explain two completely different circumstances of the same return , one with plenty of warning & everyone expects it , & one when nobody believes it could happen ?
Explain the vast discrepancy as detailed by Jesus of no one expecting His coming in one instance ?
Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

I have no idea what you mean by two completely different circumstances of the same return. Could you elaborate on this?

Jesus gave us many warnings as we read in Matthew 24 of those things that must come first before His one and only return and all who are His own expect His return and watch for the signs of His coming, but yet no man knows the day or the hour, but God alone. Whether it be in our life time or not, we need to make ourselves ready before He returns on the last day.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hello, Consecrated Life
I believe Luke 12:40 is saying that most people will be unprepared for Jesus Christ's return. Why?…because they believe Christ, which is really the Antichrist, has already arrived. They have been deceived. The Antichrist comes at the 6th trump. Jesus Christ comes at the 7th trump.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Many who scoff will be deceived because they will not heed the warnings Christ gave us as they would rather believe a lie.

1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

 

[Consecrated Life]

I have no idea what you mean by two completely different circumstances of the same return. Could you elaborate on this?

Jesus gave us many warnings as we read in Matthew 24 of those things that must come first before His one and only return ......

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Why wouldn't his coming be very easy to predict if He cannot come until the end of the tribulation ?
Breaking it done even further His coming could be narrowed down even more accurately based upon the separate event that occur within the Tribulation.

Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why wouldn't his coming be very easy to predict if He cannot come until the end of the tribulation ?
Breaking it done even further His coming could be narrowed down even more accurately based upon the separate event that occur within the Tribulation.

Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

How can any of us predict that of what only God knows of the day or the hour. Even the angels and Jesus himself does not know when He will return.

What part of Matthew 24:29-31 and 24:36-39 do you not understand?

 

[Consecrated Life]

How can any of us predict that of what only God knows of the day or the hour. Even the angels and Jesus himself does not know when He will return.

What part of Matthew 24:29-31 and 24:36-39 do you not understand?

You already have predicted it .
You said He cannot come until the tribulation comes first .

 

[for_his_glory]

You already have predicted it .
You said He cannot come until the tribulation comes first .

I didn't predict it as Jesus already told us what must come first before His return and when He will return, but none of us knows the day or the hour, but to know the man of lawlessness must come first causing all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13; 20:4

 

[Consecrated Life]

I didn't predict it as Jesus already told us what must come first before His return and when He will return, but none of us knows the day or the hour, but to know the man of lawlessness must come first causing all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13; 20:4

Why would the martyred be thinking about Jesus's coming?
And why would Jesus be telling those who have already been martyred by to be ready for His coming ?
Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why would the martyred be thinking about Jesus's coming?
And why would Jesus be telling those who have already been martyred by to be ready for His coming ?
Luke 12:40
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Do you think the dead can still think about things? Do you understand the word martyred?

 

[Consecrated Life]

Do you think the dead can still think about things? Do you understand the word martyred?

So if "ALL" have either been Martyred or have the Mark of the beast when Jesus comes, who is Jesus telling to be "READY" ?
Luke 12:40
"Be ye therefore READY..."

Do those with the mark of the beast need to be ready ?
Who else is left if ALL have either been martyred or taken the mark ?

" but to know the man of lawlessness must come first causing all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13; 20:4"

 

[7 Thunders]

Consecrated Life
Again, look who’s protected when the “locusts” and Satan are let out of the pit. God protects His children, those who know the truth, those who have the key of David (the seal of God).

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

- Revelation 9:1-4 (KJV)

 

[for_his_glory]

So if "ALL" have either been Martyred or have the Mark of the beast when Jesus comes, who is Jesus telling to be "READY" ?
Luke 12:40
"Be ye therefore READY..."

Do those with the mark of the beast need to be ready ?
Who else is left if ALL have either been martyred or taken the mark ?

" but to know the man of lawlessness must come first causing all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, 2Thessalonians 2:1-12; Rev 13; 20:4"

Those who have bowed down to this beast and have taken its mark have already sealed their fate of damnation as they allowed themselves to be deceived as they have no truth found in them. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12.

Be ye therefore ready means that we must be Spiritually reborn again indwelled with the Holy Spirit before Jesus returns. Once Jesus comes back that door of God's salvation is closed forever as there are no second chances when Jesus returns on the last day.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.