ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT

[JLB]

So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28

Jesus is speaking to His 12 disciples. That is a Promise to them and a Promise He will keep.

Unless you don't believe Jesus' Promises to His elect?

Jesus was speaking to His twelve disciples, which included Judas.

The requirement being... following Him.






JLB

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not my NASB, and where does it do that. Didn't you read my reply to you?

You quoted Matthew 26:14-15 (actually vs. 16 but I shortened it.)
The word is deliver in the KJV and it means "to hand over." Your NASB changes the word to betray which changes the meaning.
Welcome to the heresy of Westcott and Hort.

Matthew 26:14-16 (NASB)
14 Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests
15 and said, "What are you willing to give me to betray Him to you?" And they weighed out thirty pieces of silver to him.

Matthew 26:14-15
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you?

Big difference. NASB changes the word and the meaning. That's the bible you use. The NASB, that is.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jesus was speaking to His twelve disciples, which included Judas.

The requirement being... following Him.






JLB

Agreed He followed Jesus for three years and "was lost" [physically] as Jesus said.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You didn't answer my question. Where in the Bible does it say that people Jesus calls friends will all be in heaven without exception.

I gave the verse I believe says Judas will be in hell. John 17:12 While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and protected them, and not one of them was lost except [d]the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. AMP
[D] Hebrew idiom for one destined to perish.
I think some other verses implicitly indicates Judas is toast, but this is best one IMO

Aside: the eternal destiny of Judas is way, way done my list of important biblical teachings...but fun to discuss I suppose



I'm not bound by that confession though it think it is accurate for the most part. Judas is in that confession? News to me.

God is immutable. God loves. God hates. He doesn't love someone today and hate them tomorrow for anything they may or may not do. He loves His elect people and hates the non-elect.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Ps 5:5.

Notice the word "workers" is personal pronoun, meaning the person. God hates the sin and the sinner who is not named in the book of life.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I couldn't find that. In Matthew only three verses have both the words "Judas" and "betr*" and the NASB has "betrayed* just like the KJV


KJV Matthew 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
NAS Matthew 10:4 Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him.

KJV Matthew 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
NAS Matthew 26:25 And Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, "Surely it is not I, Rabbi?" He said to him, "You have said it yourself."

KJV Matthew 27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
NAS Matthew 27:3 Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

I prefer the KJV or NKJV because both translated the "Textus Receptus", but sometimes English translations are inaccurate and comparing them with other versions is useful when studying the Bible.

However, your objection was irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent. It had nothing to do with the accuracy of his exegesis. He blew your thesis out of the water and all you could respond with is "the NASB sucks". That's not a cogent argument, nor a rational one.

Westcott and Horts Revised Version is the basis of all the new age modern day translations of which the NKJV and the NASB derive. They do not come from the Textus Receptus. Westcott and Hort rejected the TR.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Westcott and Horts Revised Version is the basis of all the new age modern day translations of which the NKJV and the NASB derive. They do not come from the Textus Receptus. Westcott and Hort rejected the TR.

That is wrong, NKJV uses the Pierpoint "Majority Text" that has only about 1,000 insignificant difference with the Textus Receptus:

What about the Majority Text?

www.bible-researcher.com

As for Judas, in the understatement of the century Jesus said "it had been good for that man if he had not been born."

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matt. 26:24 KJV)

That's not true if Judas goes to heaven instead of hell.

You wrongly believe Judas paid for the life he took, when he took his own. That contradicts everything we know about Christ. Its because Jesus is God the Son, His sacrificed life can cover the sins of everyone born, if they believe of course.

So Judas' human life cannot pay for taking the life of Jesus.

If Judas repented instead, and plead for mercy its possible some of his punishment might have been removed, but he was still guilty of an eternal sin and there is no forgiveness for that.

By taking his own life, he lost that chance to be under the New Covenant and not the Old.

Another proof Judas is in hell, is the name Jesus called him "son of perdition" and declares him "lost":

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 NKJ)

You err greatly, Judas is "lost", not saved.

So is the Beast:

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, (2 Thess. 2:3 NKJ)

"Son of" is Hebrew idiom for "of that". "Son of perdition" is similar to "child of hell" (Mat. 23:15), Judas and the Beast are "of perdition" which means it is certain "perdition" is their final state. Perdition spawned him, perdition will consume them.

"Destined for the Lake of Fire", just like the Beast:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10 KJV)

 

[jeremiah1five]

That is wrong, NKJV uses the Pierpoint "Majority Text" that has only about 1,000 insignificant difference with the Textus Receptus:

What about the Majority Text?

www.bible-researcher.com

As for Judas, in the understatement of the century Jesus said "it had been good for that man if he had not been born."

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matt. 26:24 KJV)

That's not true if Judas goes to heaven instead of hell.

You wrongly believe Judas paid for the life he took, when he took his own. That contradicts everything we know about Christ. Its because Jesus is God the Son, His sacrificed life can cover the sins of everyone born, if they believe of course.

So Judas' human life cannot pay for taking the life of Jesus.

If Judas repented instead, and plead for mercy its possible some of his punishment might have been removed, but he was still guilty of an eternal sin and there is no forgiveness for that.

By taking his own life, he lost that chance to be under the New Covenant and not the Old.

Another proof Judas is in hell, is the name Jesus called him "son of perdition" and declares him "lost":

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 NKJ)

You err greatly, Judas is "lost", not saved.

So is the Beast:

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, (2 Thess. 2:3 NKJ)

"Son of" is Hebrew idiom for "of that". "Son of perdition" is similar to "child of hell" (Mat. 23:15), Judas and the Beast are "of perdition" which means it is certain "perdition" is their final state. Perdition spawned him, perdition will consume them.

"Destined for the Lake of Fire", just like the Beast:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10 KJV)

So I’m interacting with an Arminian. Jesus died for everyone?
So He died for no one then on Calvary if His death is not applicable until someone believes?
I prefer that on the day Jesus died He ACTUALLY saved someone that day.

 

[Alfred Persson]

So I’m interacting with an Arminian. Jesus died for everyone?
So He died for no one then on Calvary if His death is not applicable until someone believes?
I prefer that on the day Jesus died He ACTUALLY saved someone that day.

Yes, Jesus's sacrifice saves all who believe, but I am not an Arminian.

You prefer we not believe Christ who said Judas was lost:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 KJV)

Christians usually don't concern themselves about Judas.

Its odd you think Christians must be corrected about what happened to Judas.

Did you have a dream or vision he is now in heaven? Perhaps a spirit told you?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes, Jesus's sacrifice saves all who believe, but I am not an Arminian.

You prefer we not believe Christ who said Judas was lost:

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 KJV)

Christians usually don't concern themselves about Judas.

Its odd you think Christians must be corrected about what happened to Judas.

Did you have a dream or vision he is now in heaven? Perhaps a spirit told you?

It appears you don't study the Greek which is the original language of the New Testament. Words are important especially the Word(s) of God.
As I said at the beginning in order to rightly divide this word of truth one must have their doctrine in the right places. Being you hold to Arminian teaching (but don't 'consider' yourself Arminian - if it looks like a duck....) you are Arminian.
Under the Law of Moses when the high priest killed the sacrifice he sprinkled the blood on the people as commanded by God. There was no 'altar call,' there was no asking who accepts 'this blood' or who accepts this offering 'into their heart,' it was a purposeful act and the people were atoned on the spot for one year. There is no 'accepting Jesus into your heart,' nor none of the apostles practiced an 'altar call.' That altar call was developed by Charles Finney to increase profits and put the people under emotional obligation. You say Christ died for everyone back on Calvary but it doesn't apply until someone believes. Holding to this what happen to people before this Arminian teaching and before Calvary? Millions, even billions of people didn't 'accept Jesus into their hearts' because it was a "Jewish" Covenant and no Jew or priest asked Gentiles to "accept Jesus/Messiah into their hearts. That means billions are damned.

When you say Jesus died for everyone but it doesn't take effect until someone believes that means Jesus died for no one on Calvary 2000 plus years ago because it doesn't take effect until later - even 2000 years later when one believes.
To me, when Jesus died on the cross at Calvary He had a particular people in mind when He died - all those whose names are in the book of life. Or, His Church (Eph. 5:25). Martin Luther called Jesus' prayer in John 17 His Holy of Holies prayer. He died for those the Father had given Him (Jesus). Jesus Himself says "I pray for THEM (those the Father gave the Son), I pray NOT for the world (Jn. 17:9). When Jesus said from the cross "Father forgive THEM..." He was doing what the high priest is commanded to do, that is, offer sacrifices for the people of God (Himself), and pray for the people of God. This Jesus did. Perfectly. And the Holy Spirit is in the world today to APPLY the salvation bought by the Son to God's elect people, those who are in the book of life. God is not sitting around waiting to see who will accept Jesus and believe, people are born in sin and cannot believe. They are in bondage to sin. The Holy Spirit frees the elect person and once freed from that bondage go to the only direction now available to them: God. Everything having to do with salvation is a gift of God. Everything. And Judas was recipient of the plan and grace of God. The word 'perdition' means 'ruin' and it has three senses: physical ruin, spiritual ruin, and eternal ruin. Judas committed suicide (physical ruin) and was 'lost' as Scripture says. But he is elect and saved.

 

[Alfred Persson]

It appears you don't study the Greek which is the original language of the New Testament. Words are important especially the Word(s) of God.
As I said at the beginning in order to rightly divide this word of truth one must have their doctrine in the right places. Being you hold to Arminian teaching (but don't 'consider' yourself Arminian - if it looks like a duck....) you are Arminian.
Under the Law of Moses when the high priest killed the sacrifice he sprinkled the blood on the people as commanded by God. There was no 'altar call,' there was no asking who accepts 'this blood' or who accepts this offering 'into their heart,' it was a purposeful act and the people were atoned on the spot for one year. There is no 'accepting Jesus into your heart,' nor none of the apostles practiced an 'altar call.' That altar call was developed by Charles Finney to increase profits and put the people under emotional obligation. You say Christ died for everyone back on Calvary but it doesn't apply until someone believes. Holding to this what happen to people before this Arminian teaching and before Calvary? Millions, even billions of people didn't 'accept Jesus into their hearts' because it was a "Jewish" Covenant and no Jew or priest asked Gentiles to "accept Jesus/Messiah into their hearts. That means billions are damned.

When you say Jesus died for everyone but it doesn't take effect until someone believes that means Jesus died for no one on Calvary 2000 plus years ago because it doesn't take effect until later - even 2000 years later when one believes.
To me, when Jesus died on the cross at Calvary He had a particular people in mind when He died - all those whose names are in the book of life. Or, His Church (Eph. 5:25). Martin Luther called Jesus' prayer in John 17 His Holy of Holies prayer. He died for those the Father had given Him (Jesus). Jesus Himself says "I pray for THEM (those the Father gave the Son), I pray NOT for the world (Jn. 17:9). When Jesus said from the cross "Father forgive THEM..." He was doing what the high priest is commanded to do, that is, offer sacrifices for the people of God (Himself), and pray for the people of God. This Jesus did. Perfectly. And the Holy Spirit is in the world today to APPLY the salvation bought by the Son to God's elect people, those who are in the book of life. God is not sitting around waiting to see who will accept Jesus and believe, people are born in sin and cannot believe. They are in bondage to sin. The Holy Spirit frees the elect person and once freed from that bondage go to the only direction now available to them: God. Everything having to do with salvation is a gift of God. Everything. And Judas was recipient of the plan and grace of God. The word 'perdition' means 'ruin' and it has three senses: physical ruin, spiritual ruin, and eternal ruin. Judas committed suicide (physical ruin) and was 'lost' as Scripture says. But he is elect and saved.

Incorrect. Jesus' sacrifice is applied by God to everyone born since the foundation of the world, written in the book of life even before they existed:

"written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."-Rev. 13:8 KJV

Christ appeared at the "end of the ages" so His one sacrifice would apply to everyone born

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.- (Heb. 9:25-26 KJV)

You didn't answer my question. Normally Christians believe Jesus who said Judas is lost.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 KJV)

Did a spirit, dream or vision tell you differently?

You fancy yourself a prophet:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer. 1:5 KJV)

So inquiring minds want to know: What stands between you and the Bible so "Biblical Christianity" is far removed from what you are preaching. A spirit, dream, vision, voices?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Incorrect. Jesus' sacrifice is applied by God to everyone born since the foundation of the world, written in the book of life even before they existed:

"written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."-Rev. 13:8 KJV

Christ appeared at the "end of the ages" so His one sacrifice would apply to everyone born

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.- (Heb. 9:25-26 KJV)

You didn't answer my question. Normally Christians believe Jesus who said Judas is lost.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 KJV)

Did a spirit, dream or vision tell you differently?

You fancy yourself a prophet:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. (Jer. 1:5 KJV)

So inquiring minds want to know: What stands between you and the Bible so "Biblical Christianity" is far removed from what you are preaching. A spirit, dream, vision, voices?

If Jesus died for everyone tell me why everyone is not saved?
Maybe Jesus' atonement is lacking?
Maybe it's not stong enough to save.
Maybe it's ineffective.
Well, I just keep going in circles with you on your Arminianism and Judas.
I been a Christian for 46 years and studying Scripture that long too. I hold to election and the Doctrines of Grace. I wasn't looking for Jesus when I got saved. He saved ME. I didn't cooperate with Him towards my own salvation (synergism), He chose me, I didn't choose Him. But these Scriptures just go over your head so that you can keep your Universalism and Arminianism. This is what Scripture says on salvation and election:

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Jn 3:8.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [Christ] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [Christ], because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [Christ], neither cometh to the light [Christ], lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

No one seeks God, Paul said. No one comes [to believe] Jesus. We all hate Christ who is the light. Although these Scriptures will not reform your belief-system, I post one more for others who are reading these messages. The Lord will use the truth to birth a child of truth. But first they must be set free from the BONDAGE of sin, and whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: Jn 15:16.

In this last verse there is God's election, and God's predestination as well as the Perseverance of the saint (the saint cannot lose their salvation.)

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

 

[Alfred Persson]

If Jesus died for everyone tell me why everyone is not saved?
Maybe Jesus' atonement is lacking?
Maybe it's not stong enough to save.
Maybe it's ineffective.
Well, I just keep going in circles with you on your Arminianism and Judas.
I been a Christian for 46 years and studying Scripture that long too. I hold to election and the Doctrines of Grace. I wasn't looking for Jesus when I got saved. He saved ME. I didn't cooperate with Him towards my own salvation (synergism), He chose me, I didn't choose Him. But these Scriptures just go over your head so that you can keep your Universalism and Arminianism. This is what Scripture says on salvation and election:

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Jn 3:8.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [Christ] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [Christ], because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [Christ], neither cometh to the light [Christ], lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

No one seeks God, Paul said. No one comes [to believe] Jesus. We all hate Christ who is the light. Although these Scriptures will not reform your belief-system, I post one more for others who are reading these messages. The Lord will use the truth to birth a child of truth. But first they must be set free from the BONDAGE of sin, and whom the Son sets free is free indeed.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: Jn 15:16.

In this last verse there is God's election, and God's predestination as well as the Perseverance of the saint (the saint cannot lose their salvation.)

Receive or reject. There is no medium.

Everyone isn't saved because not all believe. And some willfully, knowingly, choose evil.

Nothing lacking in Jesus' atonement, it saves to the uttermost all who believe.

You seem very antichristian for a Christian.

Also, you appear angry Christians believe Christ and not your prophecy about Judas.

Do you hate everyone who disagrees with you, or am I a special case?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Everyone isn't saved because not all believe. And some willfully, knowingly, choose evil.

Nothing lacking in Jesus' atonement, it saves to the uttermost all who believe.

You seem very antichristian for a Christian.

Also, you appear angry Christians believe Christ and not your prophecy about Judas.

Do you hate everyone who disagrees with you, or am I a special case?

YOU WROTE: Everyone isn't saved because not all believe. And some willfully, knowingly, choose evil.
RESPONSE: But wasn't the sin of unbelief atoned on the cross of Christ?

Yes, it was. So, that leaves the conclusion that all MUST be saved.
Somebody needs to tell the rich man he's in the wrong place.
Your belief-system on salvation, your Universalism has no Biblical support.

 

[Alfred Persson]

YOU WROTE: Everyone isn't saved because not all believe. And some willfully, knowingly, choose evil.
RESPONSE: But wasn't the sin of unbelief atoned on the cross of Christ?

Yes, it was. So, that leaves the conclusion that all MUST be saved.
Somebody needs to tell the rich man he's in the wrong place.
Your belief-system on salvation, your Universalism has no Biblical support.

Using your free will to choose is not a sin. Not one verse says "unbelief is sinful". Christians deduce it is because only believers are saved. But that is a deduction which doesn't necessarily follow from only believers being saved. Everyone is condemned, but God chooses to save believers because He wants to, He has mercy upon those He has mercy. Unbelief in this case isn't itself sinful, it just doesn't characterize the people God saves.

Scripture is clear: Only believers are saved:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
(Jn. 3:15-21 KJV)

If you are a prophet of God you would know these are the words of the LORD, and would believe them.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Oh no. The Confession talks about election.

But you don't.

"Perdition" has three senses...physical, spiritual, and eternal. Judas committed suicide in obedience to the Law of life for life. He committed physical ruin. Jesus said He chose him but Judas was a liar and false accuser. If you condemn Judas to eternal damnation for revealing the location where Jesus escaped the crowds a betrayal of a secret place of refuge, then imagine the greater sins you have committed that are worse than what Judas did.
But thank God for His atonement that was given "for you" the twelve at the Passover meal, and God's election of His people.
NO ONE can take us out of His Father's hand, NO ONE can take us out of His hand. There are no apostles of the Lord in hell. Except my brother, Peter. He was Satan!
Judge righteous judgment.

Well, I asked twice about where in the bible it says anyone Christ calls friend goes to heaven and you won't back up your contention. I give up.

 

[Fastfredy0]

John 17:12 says NOTHING about hell. Ever heard of eisegesis? That's where you add to the Scripture thoughts, ideas and words that are not there.
Again, show me in Scripture Judas is going to hell in John 17:12.
Simple.
You can't. You're actually adding to the Scripture.

Well, one of us doesn't know what they are talking about. You saying it's me doesn't prove anything.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-saved.html ... this website says you full of hooey.

17:12Jesus had kept these disciples loyal to God and had protected them from external attacks while He was with them. The only exception was Judas Iscariot who was always the traitor that the Old Testament had predicted would betray the Messiah (Ps. 41:9; 69:25; 109:6-8; cf. John 13:18). His defection did not prove Jesus a failure but Scripture trustworthy. Jesus did not include Judas in His requests for the Eleven.
The term “son of perdition” (Gr. ho huios tes apoleias, NIV “the one doomed to destruction”) could describe Judas’ character (cf. Isa. 57:4) or his destiny (Ps. 35:4-8). He had a damnable character and would end in perdition, but the second idea seems to be stronger in the context. Perdition in the New Testament usually refers to eschatological damnation (cf. Matt. 7:13; Acts 8:20; Rom. 9:22; Phil. 1:28; 3:19; 1 Tim. 6:9; 2 Pet. 2:1; 3:7; Rev. 17:8, 11). Tom Constable

Anyways ... done wasting time

 

[jeremiah1five]

Well, one of us doesn't know what they are talking about. You saying it's me doesn't prove anything.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-saved.html ... this website says you full of hooey.

17:12Jesus had kept these disciples loyal to God and had protected them from external attacks while He was with them. The only exception was Judas Iscariot who was always the traitor that the Old Testament had predicted would betray the Messiah (Ps. 41:9; 69:25; 109:6-8; cf. John 13:18). His defection did not prove Jesus a failure but Scripture trustworthy. Jesus did not include Judas in His requests for the Eleven.
The term “son of perdition” (Gr. ho huios tes apoleias, NIV “the one doomed to destruction”) could describe Judas’ character (cf. Isa. 57:4) or his destiny (Ps. 35:4-8). He had a damnable character and would end in perdition, but the second idea seems to be stronger in the context. Perdition in the New Testament usually refers to eschatological damnation (cf. Matt. 7:13; Acts 8:20; Rom. 9:22; Phil. 1:28; 3:19; 1 Tim. 6:9; 2 Pet. 2:1; 3:7; Rev. 17:8, 11). Tom Constable

Anyways ... done wasting time

Instead of giving me someone else's bible study WHAT have YOU studied on Judas?
Nothing. You're just regurgitating someone else's bible study.

Scripture says TO YOU (IF YOU ARE TRUE BORN OF GOD) to study the Scriptures a workman who needeth not to be ashamed RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of truth.

You do not understand God's immutability. He doesn't change. God called Abraham Friend and He's with Jesus. That's called precedence.

There are NO FRIENDS of Christ in hell or eternally separated from Him.
He called His disciples 'FRIEND(S)'
I'll leave it at that.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Instead of giving me someone else's bible study WHAT have YOU studied on Judas?
Nothing. You're just regurgitating someone else's bible study.

There is wisdom in the council of many. Proverbs sides with me
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 2:20 sides with me
Take your head out of the sand. Maybe you should consult others when there's a difference of opinion.

Scripture says TO YOU (IF YOU ARE TRUE BORN OF GOD) to study the Scriptures a workman who needeth not to be ashamed RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of truth.

Agreed.... this hardly proves you right and I wrong. I and the people who write commentaries have spent 100 times more time studying and thus more likely to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Word.

There are NO FRIENDS of Christ in hell or eternally separated from Him.
He called His disciples 'FRIEND(S)'

You talk about "studying the word to rightly divide it" and then give statements of supposed fact without THE WORD to back you up. Hey, I admit a friend of Jesus is more likely to be in heaven than a non-friend ... I just say it's not a 100% guarantee ... and then when I can give verses to show Judas in Hell and I can give Christian scholars that agree we me ... well, you still might be the right and I wrong, but most of the betting money in Vegas is not on you.

Hypothetical
You get to the entrance of heaven and meet Moses and he says... "darn, we're on the fence as to your final destination ... it's up to you, do you want to be where Judas is or not. God has given you a hint in John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. "
According to you, you go with "I want to be with the lost one, the son of destruction because at one time he was Jesus friend".

 

[Alfred Persson]

Instead of giving me someone else's bible study WHAT have YOU studied on Judas?
Nothing. You're just regurgitating someone else's bible study.

Scripture says TO YOU (IF YOU ARE TRUE BORN OF GOD) to study the Scriptures a workman who needeth not to be ashamed RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of truth.

You do not understand God's immutability. He doesn't change. God called Abraham Friend and He's with Jesus. That's called precedence.

There are NO FRIENDS of Christ in hell or eternally separated from Him.
He called His disciples 'FRIEND(S)'
I'll leave it at that.

It is elementary, Judas was lost, the lost are not saved, therefore Judas is not with God in heaven, he is in hell where he belongs. He betrayed Christ's friendship for 30 pieces of silver.

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. (Jn. 17:12 NKJ)

He gained 30 pieces of silver, and lost his soul.

 

[for_his_glory]

If Judas was truly Christ own then there is no way Satan could enter into him, John 13:26-27. Judas was the disciples treasure, but always being a theif even stole out of the treasury, John 12:6. Judas was lost from Jesus even before he betrayed Him with a kiss as Jesus knew he was doomed to destruction, or in other words eternally damned, John 17:12. In Acts 1:16-20 as we also read in Matthew 27:3-10 Peter suggest that Psalms 109:8 was about Judas. This was all God's plan for redemption. Judas acknowledged his sin, but only remorseful after he saw what Jesus went through as he did not know what the outcome of his betrayal would be for Jesus as he only thought he would be imprisoned.

I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5. It's the same with Judas when he betrayed Jesus as greed was his god.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.

Exodus Chapter 7-11 is a witness of the "Great I AM" and what God brought forth in His affliction, calamity, distress and misery on Pharaoh and the Egyptians.

God gave Pharaoh and the Egyptians a chance to repent and turn back to Him, but they rejected God as Pharaoh hardened his heart against God like so many even today do this.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.