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ON THE QUESTION OF JUDAS ISCARIOT

You quoted Matthew 26:14-15 (actually vs. 16 but I shortened it.)
The word is deliver in the KJV and it means "to hand over." Your NASB changes the word to betray which changes the meaning.
Welcome to the heresy of Westcott and Hort.

Matthew 26:14-16 (NASB)
14 Then one of the twelve, named Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests
15 and said, "What are you willing to give me to betray Him to you?" And they weighed out thirty pieces of silver to him.


Matthew 26:14-15
Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you?

Big difference. NASB changes the word and the meaning. That's the bible you use. The NASB, that is.
There is no difference. To “hand over” is to betray; the meaning is the same. Besides, here are the meanings of the Greek word:

παραδίδωμι

paradidōmi; from G3844 and G1325; to hand over, to give or deliver over, to betray: — betray (17), betrayed (10), betraying (9), betrays (3), commended (1), committed (3), deliver (6), delivered (21), delivered over (1), delivering (3), entrusted (3), entrusting (1), gave (4), gave...over (3), given...over (1), hand (6), handed (9), handed...over (1), handed down (4), handed over (4), hands (1), permits (1), put (1), putting (1), risked (1), surrender (1), taken into custody (2), turn...over (1).
 
Sorry to post a Scripture that contradicts your belief:

No, not sorry. Let the Word of God tell you what to believe rather than you telling the Word of God what to say.

Paul was a sinner. He sinned. Even as a Christian.

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Ro 7:7–11.

Paul! You sinner!

Saved by the grace of God. But he still sinned after his salvation.

Its contradicts nothing.

Romans 7 is Paul recounting his time of learning early on how to walk in the Spirit, rather than walking according to the flesh. All of us must learn this lifestyle, this walk of the Spirit; this lifesyle of being led by the Spirit.

His conclusion to Romans 7 and his point he is making...

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


Christians who continue to walk according to the flesh, will remain in condemnation, and ultimately will not inherit the kingdom of God if they dont learn and understand how to sow, that is to say, invest their time towards the things of the Spirit.


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Galatians 6:7-8

  • but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Sowing to the Spirit takes a conscience act of employing the human will in harmony with the will of God to make an active choice to do the activities that enhance our ability to be led by the Spirit.

Praying in the Spirit is just one of those things. Reading and saturating our mind with God's word. Praying, worshipping, fasting are other ways we, by the Spirit, put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14


  • if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


What you would have us to believe is Paul, blatantly ignored all these things he admonished the church to do, and lived as a hypocrital sinner, instead of walking according to the Spirit. :nono




JLB
 
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Before one can come to the knowledge of the truth concerning the question of Judas’s salvation one must first have their understanding of the biblical doctrines which address his salvation in place.

God doesn’t replace in the kingdom of God nor the Body of Christ: He adds.

And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:47b.

His Calling:

12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. 13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; 14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, 15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, 16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. Luke 6:12-16

He named them apostles.

And the Holy Spirit is adamant to letting us know Judas was one of the twelve.

Matt. 26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests…

Matt. 26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve

Lk. 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Etc.

The Last Supper:

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. Luke 22:19-21

All twelve disciples are with Jesus at the Passover meal.

When Jesus from the cross uttered “Father, forgive them for they no not what they do” He was doing what a High Priest is given to do and that is pray for the people of God and offer sacrifices for the people of God. And the prayer as High Priest was uttered in John 17:9.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Those the Father gave the Son are the objects of His atoning work.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. John 17:2.

Jesus was not asking the Father to forgive the religious leaders or the Romans who crucified Him, nor those that were present at Hid crucifixion, He was atoning those whom the Father gave Him, those souls whose names are written in the Book of Life before God began creating. It was the Father’s plan, the Son implemented that plan, and the Holy Spirit applies that plan to God’s eternal elect.

The Betrayal:

When I’d ask Christians, what did Judas do that was cause for his betrayal of Jesus they cannot answer because they don’t know. Simply put, Judas’s betrayal was that he revealed the place where Jesus took His disciples.

1When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. 2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.
John 18:1-2.

And this?

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Strong’s defines the word devil as: diabolos (διάβολος, 1228), “an accuser” or “traducer.” It means ‘one who is a false accuser’ or ‘impugns the character of another.’ And here its usage is an adjective, not noun nor personal pronoun. Jesus is merely calling Judas as ‘false accuser.’ And this Judas did when he went to the religious leaders.

The religious leaders knew Judas was a disciple of Jesus and Judas comes to them seeking to turn over his master. In their minds they reason if he could be trusted, was Jesus sending Judas as a means to trap the religious leaders in a plot of His own. But in order to gain their trust Judas begins in this meeting to falsely accuse Jesus to the religious leaders and in this the begin to trust the sincerity of why Judas came to them. In the Jewish religion “false accusation” is a serious violation of the Law.

11 And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. Mark 14:11.

And this:

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Again Strong’s: perdition 684. ἀπώλεια Strong’s Greek #684 from a presumed derivative of <G622> (apollumi); ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal).

‘Ruin’ or ‘loss.’ And the three senses in which it is used are ‘physical,’ ‘spiritual,’ or ‘eternal’ ruin. Jesus’ atonement in which His body and blood are ‘given for you’ cannot mean the ‘eternal’ ruin of Judas nor his ‘spiritual’ ruin for the Holy Spirit has not yet been given. The only sense in which ‘apollumi’ can apply is physical ruin, and this occurred when Judas hung himself and his bowels gushed out at the bottom of the ravine where his hanging took place.

Judas’s Repentance:

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

First, Judas understands his act against Jesus and ‘saw [perceived] he (Jesus) was condemned.’ Then Scripture states Judas repented and ‘brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests’ and he confessed ‘I have sinned in that I have betrayed innocent blood.’ The chief priests say ‘what is that to us? See thou to that.’ Then Judas cast down the thirty pieces of silver in the temple and went out and hanged himself.

Under the Law it states:

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

Mischief followed. And the sentence for such mischief that an innocent man die is life for life. But the chief priest was not concerned with addressing Judas’s sin. They in effect told him to ‘see thou to that' (handle it yourself). So Judas went and handled it himself and gave his life under the law for the life of Jesus. What the prescription for Judas’s sin was for the religious leaders with the people in tow was to take him outside the city and stone him. Judas was obeying the Law and went out and gave his life for the life of innocent Jesus. And at this time, they were all still under the Law.

And what of this:

24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Well let’s look at this statement. First, Strong defines the word ‘woe’ simply as ‘grief.’ And Judas grieved over his act against Jesus very deeply to the point of death. Secondly, ‘it had been good for that man if he had not been born’ can be understood that had Judas not been born he would not have woe or grief over what he did in betraying Jesus, would not have died under these circumstances, nor would he have betrayed Jesus, would not have died according to the Scripture, there would be no sacrifice, no atonement, and we would all still be in our sin under eternal damnation with no recourse. But according to the plan of God it was determined that someone betray Jesus and that man turned out providentially to be a man who was Jesus’ friend: Judas Iscariot.

49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come?

There are only two people in Scripture that Jesus calls ‘Friend,’ Abraham and Judas.

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

There are no Friends of God in hell.

Rev. 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

In Isaiah the prophet describes the coming Redeemer as a Suffering Servant and Conquering King, as a Lamb of God and a Lion from the tribe of Judah. Before the cross Jesus was described by John the Baptist as the Lamb of God. This helps date and identify who these twelve apostles are: they are the twelve apostles (including Judas) of the Lamb, and this takes us to pre-cross apostles.


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Although we are not the Judge, and truly don't know, Jesus who is the judge made this comment about Judas: Mt 26:24 The Son of man goeth, even as it is written of him: but woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had not been born.
Mt 26:25 And Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, Is it I, Rabbi? He saith unto him, Thou hast said.

So that is one of those questions that time alone will provide the answer to.
 
There is no difference. To “hand over” is to betray; the meaning is the same. Besides, here are the meanings of the Greek word:

παραδίδωμι

paradidōmi; from G3844 and G1325; to hand over, to give or deliver over, to betray: — betray (17), betrayed (10), betraying (9), betrays (3), commended (1), committed (3), deliver (6), delivered (21), delivered over (1), delivering (3), entrusted (3), entrusting (1), gave (4), gave...over (3), given...over (1), hand (6), handed (9), handed...over (1), handed down (4), handed over (4), hands (1), permits (1), put (1), putting (1), risked (1), surrender (1), taken into custody (2), turn...over (1).
The word 'deliver' is not t6he Greek word you post.
Its contradicts nothing.

Romans 7 is Paul recounting his time of learning early on how to walk in the Spirit, rather than walking according to the flesh. All of us must learn this lifestyle, this walk of the Spirit; this lifesyle of being led by the Spirit.

His conclusion to Romans 7 and his point he is making...

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


Christians who continue to walk according to the flesh, will remain in condemnation, and ultimately will not inherit the kingdom of God if they dont learn and understand how to sow, that is to say, invest their time towards the things of the Spirit.


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
Galatians 6:7-8

  • but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Sowing to the Spirit takes a conscience act of employing the human will in harmony with the will of God to make an active choice to do the activities that enhance our ability to be led by the Spirit.

Praying in the Spirit is just one of those things. Reading and saturating our mind with God's word. Praying, worshipping, fasting are other ways we, by the Spirit, put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:12-14


  • if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


What you would have us to believe is Paul, blatantly ignored all these things he admonished the church to do, and lived as a hypocrital sinner, instead of walking according to the Spirit. :nono




JLB
QUOTE: Its contradicts nothing.
Romans 7 is Paul recounting his time of learning early on how to walk in the Spirit, rather than walking according to the flesh. All of us must learn this lifestyle, this walk of the Spirit; this lifesyle of being led by the Spirit.
RESPONSE: Walking in the flesh means sinning. Paul states he has sinned when walking in the flesh. The flesh is what Paul called "this body of death" and sin is death. So, yes, the Scripture contradicts your statement that Paul in his new life didn't sin or still wasn't a sinner and going to sin in his future at the time of his writing.

QUOTE: His conclusion to Romans 7 and his point he is making...
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
RESPONSE: "No condemnation" means God would not condemn him for his sin of lust which Paul said he committed and maybe even had issue with in his new walk. We all have issues that take longer to deal with or submit to God because quite frankly sin feels good to our flesh.

QUOTE: Christians who continue to walk according to the flesh, will remain in condemnation, and ultimately will not inherit the kingdom of God if they dont learn and understand how to sow, that is to say, invest their time towards the things of the Spirit.
RESPONSE: Now you contradict yourself in saying "there is no condemnation" and then there is condemnation. What Paul is saying and the doctrine is sound is that overall, there is no condemnation to the believer because his sins have been propitiated by God and atoned by the Son for all time. If God condemns a believer for his sin of the present or any future sin then something is wrong, and the believer is not saved. A person who is truly born again and saved has ALL SIN of his or her life forgiven and atoned. That's why there is no condemnation as Paul states in Rom. 8:1. It's only one part of the once saved always saved because once saved all sin is atoned for by the Son. If there was ONE sin not atoned that one sin would condemn that person to hell as he would not be saved.


QUOTE: Sowing to the Spirit takes a conscience act of employing the human will in harmony with the will of God to make an active choice to do the activities that enhance our ability to be led by the Spirit.
RESPONSE: That's called "synergism" and we don't co-operate with God in our salvation nor in our walk. We submit. And the submission is a surrender to God. We surrender to His Spirit and His Word and He leads us

QUOTE: What you would have us to believe is Paul, blatantly ignored all these things he admonished the church to do, and lived as a hypocrital sinner, instead of walking according to the Spirit.
RESPONSE: So you're saying that after his conversion on the road to Damascus Paul never sinned?
That's not true. Paul had a problem with lust (but it doesn't say what kind of lust but that doesn't matter - the Law said thou shalt not covet and Paul was a coveter:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Rom. 7:7.

The Greek word "known" is in the present-tense, meaning he still had lust at the time of this writing or just before and allowed God to conquer it. But he speaks from experience.
 
Although we are not the Judge, and truly don't know, Jesus who is the judge made this comment about Judas: Mt 26:24 The Son of man goeth, even as it is written of him: but woe unto that man through whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had not been born.
Mt 26:25 And Judas, who betrayed him, answered and said, Is it I, Rabbi? He saith unto him, Thou hast said.

So that is one of those questions that time alone will provide the answer to.
The word "woe" means "grief." "Grief to that man through whom the Son is betrayed," is what Jesus is saying. And what did Jesus mean when he said "good had that man not been born?" There is no mention of hell or eternal punishment - which is what ignorant believers believe when they see that word.
 
RESPONSE: "No condemnation" means God would not condemn him for his sin of lust which Paul said he committed and maybe even had issue with in his new walk.

QUOTE: Christians who continue to walk according to the flesh, will remain in condemnation, and ultimately will not inherit the kingdom of God if they dont learn and understand how to sow, that is to say, invest their time towards the things of the Spirit. If God condemns a believer for his sin of the present or any future sin then something is wrong, and the believer is not saved.
If you are a Spiritually born again child of God you need to be walking in the Spirit that leads us into all truths, John 14:26, so we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh, Galatians 5:16.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries, Hebrews 10:26-27.

We are only forgiven for our past sins when we repent and turn to Christ who forgives us. Flesh and Spirit will always battle against each other and when we do mess up at times God's grace will always forgive us when we repent, but grace does not give us a license to willfully sin.



That's not true. Paul had a problem with lust (but it doesn't say what kind of lust but that doesn't matter - the Law said thou shalt not covet and Paul was a coveter:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Rom. 7:7.
Paul is saying that he only knew sin by the law and had not known lust until he saw the law that said "Thou shalt not covet. Nowhere does it say that Paul was a coveter except knowing what the law said about coveting.
 
There was no Holy Spirit in the disciples or the people at large in Israel before Pentecost. The Holy Spirit rested on Jesus and that's where He stayed.

Judas was obedient to the Law.

Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. Mt. 27:3–5.

First, Judas saw that Jesus an innocent man was condemned to death.
Second, Judas repented (changed his mind) and took back the silver to the priests. That act is called repentance, to restore what was ill-gotten or mis-gotten in a sin.
Third, Judas confessed his sin 'I have betrayed innocent blood.'

And what is the punishment for betraying an innocent man that he dies? Yes, that's right. It's in the Law of Moses: Life for life.

Fourth, the religious leader(s) (the high priest) said, "what is THAT to us. See thou to that."
In the vernacular they in effect told Judas they didn't care about his sin, his repentance, his confession of sin. What they should have done was take Judas outside of the city and stoned him as commanded by the Law of Moses, right? They told him "YOU HANDLE IT! (see thou to that.)
So, in obedience to the Law of Moses and the priests unwilling to obey the Law of Moses, Judas went out and 'handled it' he committed suicide.
In obedience to the Law of Moses.
So, in these passages Judas' moral compass was correct. He repented, he confessed, and he gave life for life as prescribed by the Law of Moses.

By the way, again, the Holy Spirit did not Advent as Promised until Pentecost. About forty days after the resurrection.
Once again, Judas was only feeling remorse after all the horrendous things he saw Jesus being put through and then being crucified on the cross as he only thought they would throw Jesus in jail in order to silence Him. Judas was a theif and often stole from the treasury bag he was entrusted to carry.

John 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Yes, it repented him after the fact, but if he was a true follower of Christ he would have also obeyed the laws of Moses at that time being he was a Jew. Instead of disobeying the law taking his own life he could have repented to God who would have forgiven him. See, it was God's plan all along to use Judas.

Btw, I think most of us knows that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit happened on the day of Pentecost first with all those who were in the upper room and not sure what it has to do with the OP.
 
First, righteousness cometh not by the Law.
You are correct as righteousness is given through faith and under the better covenant of God's grace it is given through faith in Christ Jesus to all who believe, Romans 3:21-31.
Judas obeyed the Law, the religious leaders did not.
If Judas obeyed the law then why was he a theif and the betrayer of Jesus.
And God's Law(s) are written upon the heart (or life, not the proverbial heart. It only pumps blood), and ONLY believers in Covenant have such an imputation of God's Law(s) written upon their heart. Unbelievers do not got that coming. They will be judged without the Law written upon their lives (heart.)
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

These verses are speaking about the Spiritual inner man where the Holy Spirit indwells us. How could it be written on the actual organ that pumps blood. I don't think anyone believes it's our actual blood pumping heart.
 
You are correct as righteousness is given through faith and under the better covenant of God's grace it is given through faith in Christ Jesus to all who believe, Romans 3:21-31.

If Judas obeyed the law then why was he a theif and the betrayer of Jesus.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

These verses are speaking about the Spiritual inner man where the Holy Spirit indwells us. How could it be written on the actual organ that pumps blood. I don't think anyone believes it's our actual blood pumping heart.
Because in the Old Testament the term "heart" if not defined as the proverbial heart meant the total person's life as it was the seat of their existence because it beat and pumped blood and was seen as alive, but it only pumps blood. It only carried over to the New Testament and had the same meaning, but error crept in and because of such people as Pelagius and Arminius the 'heart' became more than just an organ and took on meaning that is in the church today, that "Jesus lives in the organ" or that to be saved you have to "accept Jesus into your organ."

In the OT it (the heart) merely meant the whole being of a person. So, to love God with all your 'heart' meant in the OT to love God with all 'your whole life/being.'
Follow?
 
Response to 'for_his_glory'

QUOTE: If Judas was truly Christ own then there is no way Satan could enter into him, John 13:26-27.
RESPONSE: Jesus called Peter "Satan." How do you reconcile these two?

QUOTE: Judas was the disciples treasure, but always being a theif even stole out of the treasury, John 12:6. Judas was lost from Jesus even before he betrayed Him with a kiss as Jesus knew he was doomed to destruction, or in other words eternally damned, John 17:12.
RESPONSE: He didn't read nor understand the Greek word "perdition," did you.

QUOTE: In Acts 1:16-20 as we also read in Matthew 27:3-10 Peter suggest that Psalms 109:8 was about Judas. This was all God's plan for redemption. Judas acknowledged his sin, but only remorseful after he saw what Jesus went through as he did not know what the outcome of his betrayal would be for Jesus as he only thought he would be imprisoned.
RESPONSE: In Matthew 27:3-5 contain all the elements to redemption (salvation)

Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. 5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. Mt 27:3–5.

Scripture says he repented and not was just remorseful but threw back the money. Repentance with an action of rejecting the money. He confessed his sin specifically. And since he was living under the Law he understood he was complicit in the condemnation and death of an innocent man (Jesus) so the prescription for that sin is life for life. The religious leaders should have taken him outside the city and stoned him in accordance to the Law of Moses for that sin. Instead, the religious leaders told him "what is that to us? See thou to THAT" (in other words, YOU handle it!).
So, he did. In OBEDIENCE to the Law he gave his life for the life of an innocent man who was condemned to die.

QUOTE: I will use Esau for an example as God did not hate Esau, but sore displeased with him in his deception of selling his birthright, Genesis 25. God said He also created evil and this is what fell upon Esau as we read in Malachi 1:2-5. It's the same with Judas when he betrayed Jesus as greed was his god.
RESPONSE: Contradicting Scripture with eyes wide open! The Holy Spirit said "Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated."

QUOTE: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery. This is what God has created and puts on those who He has cursed for their rebellion against Him so they know "I AM" in all sovereignty, Deuteronomy 27:11-26.
RESPONSE: Tell me, what Hebrew word study are you using?
Who was it that said God doesn't create 'evil' (sin?) Good passage in Isaiah to support my post on "God Created Man (Adam) Sinful." Thanks.
You have the right to your views as well as everyone else. I have explained mine already and need not to rehash them.

You need to start showing more grace to those who you say are in error as these forums are a place to discuss with each other without the "I am right, you are wrong" attitude. Let this be a warning to you.
 
Because in the Old Testament the term "heart" if not defined as the proverbial heart meant the total person's life as it was the seat of their existence because it beat and pumped blood and was seen as alive, but it only pumps blood. It only carried over to the New Testament and had the same meaning, but error crept in and because of such people as Pelagius and Arminius the 'heart' became more than just an organ and took on meaning that is in the church today, that "Jesus lives in the organ" or that to be saved you have to "accept Jesus into your organ."

In the OT it (the heart) merely meant the whole being of a person. So, to love God with all your 'heart' meant in the OT to love God with all 'your whole life/being.'
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We are getting off topic, please feel free to start a new thread about the heart.
 
jeremiah1five said,

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. Luke 22:19-21

All twelve disciples are with Jesus at the Passover meal.[/QUOTE\]

John’s eyewitness account indicates that Jesus dismissed the traitorous Judas before instituting the Memorial meal. During the Passover, Jesus, knowing that Judas was his betrayer, dipped a morsel of the Passover meal and handed it to Judas, instructing him to leave. (John 13:21-30) Mark’s account also intimates this order of events. (Mark 14:12-25) During the Lord’s Evening Meal that followed, Jesus passed the bread and the wine to the 11 remaining apostles, telling them to eat and drink. (Luke 22:19, 20) Afterward he spoke to them as “the ones that have stuck with me in my trials,” a further indication that Judas had been dismissed.(Luke 22:28)
There is no indication that Judas’ remorse was true repentance. Rather than seeking God’s forgiveness, he confessed his wrongdoing to the chief priests and older men. These were men that Jesus said made proselytes that were subjects of Gehenna twice as much as themselves.(Matthew 23:15, 33) Judas of his own volition made a bargain with these men.
Having committed “a sin that does incur death,” Judas was rightly overwhelmed with feelings of guilt and despair. (1 John 5:16) His remorse was prompted by his being in a desperate state. So he tried to return the bribe he had bargained for, and thereafter committed suicide by hanging. (Matthew 27:3-5) The enormity of his crime and, likely, the awful certainty of divine judgment against him evidently overwhelmed him. (Compare Hebrews 10:26, 27, 31; James 2:19.) He felt the remorse of guilt, despair, even desperation, but there is nothing to show he expressed the godly sadness that leads to repentance (metanoia). He sought out, not God, but those Jewish leaders to confess his sin to them, when he returned the money. He evidently had the mistaken idea that he could to some extent undo his crime. (Compare James 5:3, 4; Ezekiel 7:19.) To the crime of treason and contributing to the death of an innocent man, he added that of self-murder, when he committed suicide. Judas hanging himself, committing suicide, isn't legal or just in the eyes of God. The Israelite nation had a justice system but Just as the trial of Jesus Christ was a farce, completely unjust, and illegal in Gods eyes, the chief priest telling Judas Iscariot to take care of it himself without a trial was illegal and unjust, too in Gods eyes. God doesn't condone suicide, no matter how much you try to twist the scriptures to make it seem that God does condone suicide.

The course that Judas chose was a deliberate one, involving malice, greed, pride, hypocrisy, and scheming. So Judas Iscariot committed the unforgivable sin. His greed moved him to steal money that had been donated for a sacred use. He even pretended to be concerned about the poor when his real interest was to acquire more money to steal. (John 12:4-8) Once Judas’ heart had become permanently set in doing wrong, he betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. On the final night of Jesus earthly life, Jesus said, actually about Judas, "It would have been finer for that man if he had never been born." So Jesus knew that Judas could never truly repent for what he had done, which is why he called Judas Iscariot, the son of destruction.” (John 17:12) This meant that when Judas died, he would suffer permanent destruction, with no hope for a resurrection.(Mark 14:21)

Jesus said at John 17:9-12, I have protected them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction,” namely, Judas Iscariot, who is on his mission to betray Jesus.(John 17:9-12)

When Jesus revealed that one of the 12 would betray him, Judas, the very picture of innocence, asked: “It is not I, is it?” (Matthew 26:25) Only a deliberate sinner could maintain such a brazen pretense. And when the soldiers came to arrest Jesus, Judas chose, of all things, that ancient sign of waJrmth and friendship—the kiss—as the sign of identification. “Judas,” asked Jesus, “do you betray the Son of man with a kiss?”—Luke 22:48.
 
In these last times, there are only scoffers/mockers, as told both in Jude and 2 Peter.

They walk after their own ungodly lusts. ( their lust is to be false teachers as told in the previous chapter of Peter. 2 Peter 2:1. There shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.)

It is told in 2 Peter 2:1, they bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It is told in 2 Peter 3:7, fire is reserved against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.




Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.




The adversaries of the Lord, which includes Judas, as spoken of in Psalms 109, ( Psalm 109:20.) have an evident token of perdition, and to those persecuted by them, of salvation, and that of God. ( Judas, or anyone like Judas, cant have salvation being the persecutor of God, and those who are His.)

Men are drowned in destruction and perdition, as perdition is destruction.

Drawing back, ( Judas is that example of drawing back unto perdition.) is unto perdition, who do not believe to the saving of the soul.




Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.




Psalms 109:8, is told about in Acts 1:20. ( let another take his office/his bishoprick let another take.)

But this is not about Judas at all, it is about the mouth of the wicked and deceitful opening up with lying tongues against the Lord, it is about the hatred they had against the Son and the Father, without a cause. ( John 15:25.)

It is about all the adversaries of the Lord, rewarding the Lord evil, for His good, hatred for His love. ( in reward for Jesus laying His life down, Judas offers betrayal.)

Satan is at their right hand, Psalm 109:6. ( satan entered Judas, and all men of perdition he enters. John 13:27.)

When Judas and the men of perdition are judged, they are condemned. ( their prayer becomes sin.)

Their posterity is cut off, their name is blotted out, the memory of them is cut off from the earth. ( out of the book of life. Revelation 3:5.)

They love cursing, cursing comes upon them. ( they are cursed children. 2 Peter 2:14.) they do not delight in blessing, blessing is far from them.

They cloth themselves with cursing, it comes into their bowels like water. ( Judas burst asunder in the field, and all his bowels gushed out/cursing came into his bowels like water.)

They ( the cursed children. 2 Peter 2:14.) are curded with that garment of cursing, continually.




Psalm 109:2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3 They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.
4 For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
5 And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7 When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
8 Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.
12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the Lord; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be before the Lord continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
16 Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18 As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
19 Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
20 Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the Lord, and of them that speak evil against my soul.



Judas purchased the field of blood, with the reward of iniquity,

The habitation of Judas ( and all men of perdition. ) is desolation, no man dwells therein. ( it is eternal cursing and swift destruction for men of perdition. ( 1 Timothy 6:9.)




Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.




Judas, like all unjust men of perdition, are reserved unto the day of judgement to be punished. They like Judas seen in John 14, are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. ( John 14:22.)

They are in the lust of uncleanness, 2 Peter 2:10, like Judas was not clean. ( John 13:11.)

They receive the reward of unrighteousness, they love the wages of unrighteousness/iniquity. ( Judas purchased the field of blood, with the REWARD OF INIQUITY. Acts 1:18.)

It had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness. ( good were it for that man/Judas. if he had never been born. Mark 14:21.)



John 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.


2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
 
The forum contending/debating/disputes, are ungodly, without any understanding, no confession of the truth, just denial so far.

How many answers do the forum members need, before they agree to be slow to speak and swift to hear ?

Nobody agrees to what is revealed, but it cant be ignored any longer, it has been o well testified.

On top of that, trinity and baptism strife, has no place in unity, if anyone wants Jesus Christ, He is not found in the spirit of the anti Christ, which is here now.
Although there are additional rules at discussion boards on the Internet at so-called Christian gathering locations on the web along with Biblical instruction that guides behavior at such places the Biblical mandate is as follows:

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Cor. 11:18–19.
 
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