Paul said there is "one baptism"

[Highway54]

I guess it is just matter of semantics.
Baptized with, or baptized in, the Holy Spirit.
Neither way denies that the Holy Spirit is the One doing the baptism.

Actually God does the baptism with His holy spirit sir. Ruach (original word translated spirit) is not a being.

 

[Hopeful]

Actually God does the baptism with His holy spirit sir.

That is true, and the "one" Paul was talking about: but there are other baptisms, the one with water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission for the remission of sins being done by men.

Ruach (original word translated spirit) is not a being.

I disagree.
God is a Spirit: isn't He a being?

 

[Highway54]

Good morning, Robert.

I can't speak for any other believer, only for myself. As you well know everyone has a different view of how our works are acceptable before God. And you know that those in Christ stand faultless before God even though we can't live up to the position in this life, in which God has placed us. That is His wonderful Grace that sustains us in that position, something we don't deserve, but He freely gives through faith.

Any works that I may have are not my own works, they are His, planned especially for me. All I do is walk through the door He has prepared for me. I see an opportunity, whatever it may be, and I walk through that door in faith.

I don't have a set of do's and don'ts, I must do this or that. I just live my life according to what I know is right in the Scripture and depend on Him to fulfill any and all works through me.

Rom. 8:3-5
"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

The moral Law, the 10 Commandments is God's standard of righteousness. In the New Covenant of Christ's Blood, we believers walk after the "spirit" as Paul said. That means walking by faith, rather than the "flesh" which is walking in our own doing.

It is impossible for us to "fulfill the righteousness" of God's Law if we walk in the flesh of our own doing. We must walk in the Spirit, in faith that He will fulfill that righteousness in us.

Any works that I may have are not my own works, they are His, planned especially for me.

All Christians have the same assignment Charlie Mat 28:19,20. There are many commandments that goes with that as well, for instance Luke 22:19 which takes place this Tuesday night, our Passover. Will you be there sir?

 

[Charlie24]

All Christians have the same assignment Charlie Mat 28:19,20. There are many commandments that goes with that as well, for instance Luke 22:19 which takes place this Tuesday night, our Passover. Will you be there sir?

Our Church has the Lord's Supper on a monthly basis. The purpose of it is to remember the Lord's death until He comes, or we go to meet Him in spirit and soul.

The only commandment I have been given by Christ is recorded by the Apostle John, "to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and to love one another."

The rest of what He desires of me will be fulfilled by Him through my surrendering to Him in faith. I don't set out to this or that for the Lord, he does the setting and planning for me, I just walk through the door he has placed in my path. They are not my works but His, planned specifically for Charlie. But I will get the credit for those works if they pass the test of fire. If I totally surrender and follow His lead instead of mine, they will pass the test!

 

[Highway54]

That is true, and the "one" Paul was talking about: but there are other baptisms, the one with water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission for the remission of sins being done by men.

I disagree.
God is a Spirit: isn't He a being?

That is true, and the "one" Paul was talking about: but there are other baptisms, the one with water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission for the remission of sins being done by men.

Yes sir water baptism is a different baptism. But all who have been baptized with holy spirit are baptized in water as well.

I disagree.
God is a Spirit: isn't He a being?

No sir, we agree on that, you left out that I said holy spirit: Actually God does the baptism with His holy spirit sir. Ruach (original word translated spirit) is not a being.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes sir water baptism is a different baptism. But all who have been baptized with holy spirit are baptized in water as well.

I agree, first the one then the other...if the repentance from sin as real. (Acts 2:38)

No sir, we agree on that, you left out that I said holy spirit: Actually God does the baptism with His holy spirit sir. Ruach (original word translated spirit) is not a being.

I consider spirits as beings, in some cases.
God's Holy Spirit is an entity.

To you, is a ghost a being?

 

[Highway54]

Our Church has the Lord's Supper on a monthly basis. The purpose of it is to remember the Lord's death until He comes, or we go to meet Him in spirit and soul.

The only commandment I have been given by Christ is recorded by the Apostle John, "to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and to love one another."

The rest of what He desires of me will be fulfilled by Him through my surrendering to Him in faith. I don't set out to this or that for the Lord, he does the setting and planning for me, I just walk through the door he has placed in my path. They are not my works but His, planned specifically for Charlie. But I will get the credit for those works if they pass the test of fire. If I totally surrender and follow His lead instead of mine, they will pass the test!

Christ instituted this on the Passover Charlie, and from that point on he became our Passover. 1 Cor 5:7 If you think about it, the original Passover was about his upcoming sacrifice. He would be the Passover lamb to the world. The Passover was an annual event, and therefore we continue it annually with the replacement Passover.

Another point, Jesus offered the bread and wine only to those of the new covenant, those faithful 11, not to the rest of God's people who were attending the Passover. The partaking is only to be done by Christs brothers, the spirit anointed bride of Christ. Like in the original all of God's people attend, but only those of the covenant partake. We will be gathering tomorrow evening at sundown throughout the earth, with a vast mixed company to remember all that Jesus gave for us, in remembrance of him Charlie.

 

[Charlie24]

Christ instituted this on the Passover Charlie, and from that point on he became our Passover. 1 Cor 5:7 If you think about it, the original Passover was about his upcoming sacrifice. He would be the Passover lamb to the world. The Passover was an annual event, and therefore we continue it annually with the replacement Passover.

Another point, Jesus offered the bread and wine only to those of the new covenant, those faithful 11, not to the rest of God's people who were attending the Passover. The partaking is only to be done by Christs brothers, the spirit anointed bride of Christ. Like in the original all of God's people attend, but only those of the covenant partake. We will be gathering tomorrow evening at sundown throughout the earth, with a vast mixed company to remember all that Jesus gave for us, in remembrance of him Charlie.

But let me ask, Robert! Are those who are working for their salvation by various means, are they in the New Covenant?

 

[Highway54]

I agree, first the one then the other...if the repentance from sin as real. (Acts 2:38)

I consider spirits as beings, in some cases.
God's Holy Spirit is an entity.

To you, is a ghost a being?

Ruach is Hebrew and Pneuma is Greek for spirit. While most translators in their versions translates Ruach as Spirit, they translate Pneuma as Ghost so the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the same sir.

The holy spirit is not a being, as seen when sent to the disciples at Acts Chap 2. Force is the best description of it. It is used many ways in the Bible, one is the breath of life, another way Ruach is translated in Bible versions.

 

[JLB]

The holy spirit is not a being, as seen when sent to the disciples at Acts Chap 2. Force is the best description of it. It is used many ways in the Bible, one is the breath of life, another way Ruach is translated in Bible versions.

The Holy Spirit is a divine being; a divine person.

The Holy Spirit is one of the three members of the Godhead.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7


One in essence, one in nature, one in unity.


“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Revelation 2:11

The Spirit speaks.


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:14

The Spirit has the capacity to plan and devise strategy.


Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Romans 8:27

The Spirit leads; the Spirit has a mind; intellect


And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30

The Spirit has emotions.


Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? James 4:4-5


The Spirit can be jealous.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


The Spirit can give birth.



The Holy Spirit is a divine person; just like the Father and Son.





JLB

 

[Hopeful]

Ruach is Hebrew and Pneuma is Greek for spirit. While most translators in their versions translates Ruach as Spirit, they translate Pneuma as Ghost so the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the same sir.

I agree.
There is no difference.

The holy spirit is not a being, as seen when sent to the disciples at Acts Chap 2. Force is the best description of it. It is used many ways in the Bible, one is the breath of life, another way Ruach is translated in Bible versions.

If HE is not a being, how can HE be holy?
Inanimate objects deemed "holy" are idolatrous, at best.
I rejoice in the fact that He has made me His temple.

 

[Highway54]

But let me ask, Robert! Are those who are working for their salvation by various means, are they in the New Covenant?

Yes sir, those of the new covenant are the ones who were actually given the assignment. Those of the other sheep not of that fold are basically judged for what we did for them.
(Matthew 25:40) . . .the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

 

[Highway54]

The Holy Spirit is a divine being; a divine person.

The Holy Spirit is one of the three members of the Godhead.


For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7


One in essence, one in nature, one in unity.


“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Revelation 2:11

The Spirit speaks.


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:14

The Spirit has the capacity to plan and devise strategy.


Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God. Romans 8:27

The Spirit leads; the Spirit has a mind; intellect


And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30

The Spirit has emotions.


Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? James 4:4-5


The Spirit can be jealous.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:6


The Spirit can give birth.



The Holy Spirit is a divine person; just like the Father and Son.





JLB

Jesus promised to send a helper, likely you recognize that the helper was the holy spirit. That account is recorded for us in Acts chap 2 beginning in verse 1. It was not a person. It is not part of a triune god. And the verse you quoted for your evidence does not say that in the original Bible, and is recognized today as being altered in some versions.

Jesus did say once that he and his Father are one Jn 10:30 and he explained what that oneness is at Jn 17:21,22 if you care to look into it.

 

[Highway54]

I agree.
There is no difference.

If HE is not a being, how can HE be holy?
Inanimate objects deemed "holy" are idolatrous, at best.
I rejoice in the fact that He has made me His temple.

The account stated this Hopeful: Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, it was not a being. God's ruach is holy because it is from and belongs to God. It is used in multiple ways, were you aware that Jesus was given holy spirit when he returned to heaven? Acts 2:33 I found that real fascinating when I first heard it, as I always thought he had it.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes sir, those of the new covenant are the ones who were actually given the assignment. Those of the other sheep not of that fold are basically judged for what we did for them.
(Matthew 25:40) . . .the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

So when Paul said, "you are saved by Grace through faith, not of yourselves, not of works..." it means nothing to you?

 

[gordon777]

Saved by belief in the works that Christ did, so we do greater than THOSE.


John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

 

[Highway54]

So when Paul said, "you are saved by Grace through faith, not of yourselves, not of works..." it means nothing to you?

Proper understanding means everything to me Charlie. You see sir in a crazy sort of way I think the Bible does not contradict itself. You quite honestly are working as you are posting here trying to reach the hearts of others with the good news as I am. That is actually our assignment Mat 28:19,20. It was Jesus' primary assignment Luke 4:43. The very one you quoted, Paul, to say he didn't have works is ludicrous, and because of people misunderstanding his words Jesus' own brother James had to explain it further to show that Christians prove their faith by their works, not contradicting Paul in any means.

What is your understanding of the parable of the talents sir Mat 25:14-30, do you understand it as having the application of making disciples within your ability using what you have been given Charlie?

 

[Charlie24]

Proper understanding means everything to me Charlie. You see sir in a crazy sort of way I think the Bible does not contradict itself. You quite honestly are working as you are posting here trying to reach the hearts of others with the good news as I am. That is actually our assignment Mat 28:19,20. It was Jesus' primary assignment Luke 4:43. The very one you quoted, Paul, to say he didn't have works is ludicrous, and because of people misunderstanding his words Jesus' own brother James had to explain it further to show that Christians prove their faith by their works, not contradicting Paul in any means.

What is your understanding of the parable of the talents sir Mat 25:14-30, do you understand it as having the application of making disciples within your ability using what you have been given Charlie?

Paul is the example of proper works for the Kingdom of God. Surrendering oneself in faith to Christ and allowing Him to work through you.

The problem I have with the JW''s, their works are not properly placed. They are teaching a works salvation. They are giving the example of faith + works = salvation.

This is not what Paul taught! In fact, he taught just the opposite.

The parable of the talents is not about achieving heaven through works. It's about the works proving ones faith. It's exactly what James was teaching on works and faith, that faith proves our works.

The ones who gained for Christ were proving where there faith was, while the ones with no gain were proving there was no faith. This parable is about faith, Robert.

The "unprofitable servant" is the one who is a Christian by name only, who has no real faith, so the works are unprofitable. Their faith is not completely in Christ, and that is the kind of faith necessary to produce proper works.

 

[gordon777]

Paul is the example of proper works for the Kingdom of God. Surrendering oneself in faith to Christ and allowing Him to work through you.

The problem I have with the JW''s, their works are not properly placed. They are teaching a works salvation. They are giving the example of faith + works = salvation.

This is not what Paul taught! In fact, he taught just the opposite.

The parable of the talents is not about achieving heaven through works. It's about the works proving ones faith. It's exactly what James was teaching on works and faith, that faith proves our works.

The ones who gained for Christ were proving where there faith was, while the ones with no gain were proving there was no faith. This parable is about faith, Robert.

The "unprofitable servant" is the one who is a Christian by name only, who has no real faith, so the works are unprofitable. Their faith is not completely in Christ, and that is the kind of faith necessary to produce proper works.

Works is more than proving ones faith.

Works are what Christ did, a work of faith is a work of love, and faith works through love.


Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[Charlie24]

Works is more than proving ones faith.

Works are what Christ did, a work of faith is a work of love, and faith works through love.


Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

1 Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

I would think everyone agrees with that. My point was that works are the result of faith.

It's the faith that saves us, not the works.