Questions for those who think the RCC is the Whore.

Just a few questions for those who think the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

Who is the Scarlet Beast?
Who are the 7 kings?
Who are the 10 horns?

More questions will follow depending on answers.
Repost because of site issues.

 

[for_his_glory]

What trolling?

Do you understand the OP?

If you do not believe in the idea that the whore is the RCC then you should not be including your own ideas... that is respect for the OP.

The question is not "who do you think the whore is". The question is specifically about the RCC/Whore theory connection.

As I don't belive the RCC/Whore theory I don't offer comment on who yje Whore could be. But I will explore the weaknesses in the RCC/Whore theory.

This is respecting the OP.

This is the way discussions go in forums is that if one agrees with the OP or disagrees with the OP each gives their understandings either way so a healthy discussion can be had among the members. All you have given so far is just sarcastic remarks without any interest in this thread towards the OP.

It was you that said that you need not comment on the OP so what is your intent with even replying to this thread if it is not for the purpose of just trolling with non-essential rhetoric?

 

[miamited]

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery: BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

That's what I believe on the matter.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Paul Timothy]

This is the way discussions go in forums is that if one agrees with the OP or disagrees with the OP each gives their understandings either way so a healthy discussion can be had among the members. All you have given so far is just sarcastic remarks without any interest in this thread towards the OP.

The question was not one of agreeing or disagreeing with the base premise of the Whore being the RCC.
The question was to examine one particular eschatological belief system.
I have not in any posts that I know of been sarcastic.
Show me a quote that you say is sarcastic and I will apologize if appropriate.

It was you that said that you need not comment on the OP so what is your intent with even replying to this thread if it is not for the purpose of just trolling with non-essential rhetoric?

When did I ever say that?
Please do not jump to unfounded conclusions.
I said it would not be right for me to offer my opinion on who the Whore is because I do not agree with the Whore being the RCC.
We are examining the idea that some people hold that the Whore is the RCC... not who the Whore is in general.
Do you see the difference?

 

[Paul Timothy]

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery: BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come. “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

That's what I believe on the matter.

God bless,
Ted

So you believe the RCC is the Whore?
That is the question at hand.

 

[for_his_glory]

What have I not posted... Truth?
Have you asked me for any that is appropriate for this thread?
If you start another thread I will gladly engage with your conversation.
Until then lets try to honour the original post.

Not once have you given anything that is befitting to the OP, nor do you grant others any courtesy to be understood or acknowledge their views. This is a violation of the ToS 1.1 please go back and read the ToS.

If your intention is trolling through the threads, as I have read all your replies in them, just to be sarcastic then this violates the ToS 1.5.

These violations will cause you to be banned from threads, but since you are a new member I will show you some grace. Please respond to the OP with your understandings and using scripture to support them.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Not once have you given anything that is befitting to the OP, nor do you grant others any courtesy to be understood or acknowledge their views. This is a violation of the ToS 1.1 please go back and read the ToS.

Sorry... where has that happened?
Just give me a quote that I did not act courteously.
I tried to understand their views and that is why the questions.
Exactly what did I say that is a violation?

If your intention is trolling through the threads, as I have read all your replies in them, just to be sarcastic then this violates the ToS 1.5.

Trolling is not my intention. So that would not be a violation of 1.5... and sarcastic comments are not mentioned in 1.5

These violations will cause you to be banned from threads, but since you are a new member I will show you some grace. Please respond to the OP with your understandings and using scripture to support them.

I am just asking you to show actual proof of what I said that in any way violates any rules.
Just quote me my words and we can go from there.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is so much more to this I could add, but trying to keep this as short as I can.

John is once more caught up in the Spirit as this angel shows him the future judgment of Mystery Babylon who is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Mystery Babylon is described first as a great whore that sits on many waters. She is a mystery to John when the vision was given to him, but now made very clear since the sixteenth century Reformation.

The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet colors. These are the main colors of the Roman Catholic Church. The woman is the city of Rome known as Vatican City and the scarlet beast is the spiritual and worldly empire it controls being that of the Roman Catholic Church and all its believers through out the nations.

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire: (Iraq), Medo - Persian Empire: (Iran), Grecian Empire: (Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt), Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The woman was drunk with power the beast (Satan) gave her as she made martyrs of the saints and prophets of God as their blood was shed for their faith in Christ Jesus as they refused to denounce Christ in order to take the mark of this beast and bow down to this one world political, economic, educational and religious system.

The mystery of the woman is now revealed to John as being the Babylonian Empire (was, and is not). The same Empire that in time became the Roman Empire that has captured John and sent him to the isle of Patmos as a prisoner for preaching the word of God to the seven Churches in Asia. The same Empire that have always persecuted, even to death, the saints, the Prophets, the Apostles and even Christ.

The beast, being Satan, has always controlled the seven heads and ten nations as he works through those to kill, steal and destroy that which is God’s. We read back in Chapter 13 about the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth and who the son of perdition is as being Satan who works through the Luciferians religious system with their Jesuit Militant Priesthood and their false prophet being the Pontifex Maximus.

The beast that was and is not and yet is had its beginning with Nimrod and continuing with all the imperial kings, pharaohs and Roman Caesars that claimed to be priest/god/kings and held the official office and title of Pontifex Maximus who commands worship from their subjects.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

 

[Paul Timothy]

There is so much more to this I could add, but trying to keep this as short as I can.

John is once more caught up in the Spirit as this angel shows him the future judgment of Mystery Babylon who is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Mystery Babylon is described first as a great whore that sits on many waters. She is a mystery to John when the vision was given to him, but now made very clear since the sixteenth century Reformation.

The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet colors. These are the main colors of the Roman Catholic Church. The woman is the city of Rome known as Vatican City and the scarlet beast is the spiritual and worldly empire it controls being that of the Roman Catholic Church and all its believers through out the nations.

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire: (Iraq), Medo - Persian Empire: (Iran), Grecian Empire: (Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt), Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The woman was drunk with power the beast (Satan) gave her as she made martyrs of the saints and prophets of God as their blood was shed for their faith in Christ Jesus as they refused to denounce Christ in order to take the mark of this beast and bow down to this one world political, economic, educational and religious system.

The mystery of the woman is now revealed to John as being the Babylonian Empire (was, and is not). The same Empire that in time became the Roman Empire that has captured John and sent him to the isle of Patmos as a prisoner for preaching the word of God to the seven Churches in Asia. The same Empire that have always persecuted, even to death, the saints, the Prophets, the Apostles and even Christ.

The beast, being Satan, has always controlled the seven heads and ten nations as he works through those to kill, steal and destroy that which is God’s. We read back in Chapter 13 about the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth and who the son of perdition is as being Satan who works through the Luciferians religious system with their Jesuit Militant Priesthood and their false prophet being the Pontifex Maximus.

The beast that was and is not and yet is had its beginning with Nimrod and continuing with all the imperial kings, pharaohs and Roman Caesars that claimed to be priest/god/kings and held the official office and title of Pontifex Maximus who commands worship from their subjects.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

I don't understand how this is quoting where I have violated any ToS.
It definitely is not a quote of mine.
Could you please answer my question?
Where exactly did I violate ToS?

 

[RBDERRICK]

I can agree, but I was talking more about the Roman Empire governing power that was always over Jerusalem.

I agree it will be a Roman kind of power over Jerusalem, from which the churches are crushed and purged of all dissent.

Especially by noble saints sticking to Scripture and the faith of Jesus only.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14)

 

[Paul Timothy]

There is so much more to this I could add, but trying to keep this as short as I can.

John is once more caught up in the Spirit as this angel shows him the future judgment of Mystery Babylon who is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Mystery Babylon is described first as a great whore that sits on many waters. She is a mystery to John when the vision was given to him, but now made very clear since the sixteenth century Reformation.

How has the Reformation made the vision clear?

The woman is arrayed in purple and scarlet colors. These are the main colors of the Roman Catholic Church. The woman is the city of Rome known as Vatican City and the scarlet beast is the spiritual and worldly empire it controls being that of the Roman Catholic Church and all its believers through out the nations.

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire: (Iraq), Medo - Persian Empire: (Iran), Grecian Empire: (Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt), Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

So if three horns are destroyed already(where is this in Revelation) how will all ten destroy the Whore?

The woman was drunk with power the beast (Satan) gave her as she made martyrs of the saints and prophets of God as their blood was shed for their faith in Christ Jesus as they refused to denounce Christ in order to take the mark of this beast and bow down to this one world political, economic, educational and religious system.

Where is the Whore drunk with the power of the Beast?
Is the Whore not drunk with the blood of the saints, etc.?

The mystery of the woman is now revealed to John as being the Babylonian Empire (was, and is not). The same Empire that in time became the Roman Empire that has captured John and sent him to the isle of Patmos as a prisoner for preaching the word of God to the seven Churches in Asia. The same Empire that have always persecuted, even to death, the saints, the Prophets, the Apostles and even Christ.

The beast, being Satan, has always controlled the seven heads and ten nations as he works through those to kill, steal and destroy that which is God’s. We read back in Chapter 13 about the beast out of the sea and the beast out of the earth and who the son of perdition is as being Satan who works through the Luciferians religious system with their Jesuit Militant Priesthood and their false prophet being the Pontifex Maximus.

The Scarlet Beast is a different Beast than the 2 in Chapter 13.
The differences are very obvious when placed side by side.

The beast that was and is not and yet is had its beginning with Nimrod and continuing with all the imperial kings, pharaohs and Roman Caesars that claimed to be priest/god/kings and held the official office and title of Pontifex Maximus who commands worship from their subjects.

Where is this in Revelation? References please.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army.

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

I am in Canada and our King is in England and I don't see England in your list.
And Charles is not really our King... but King of the commonwealth.

For this to be worth looking into I would need a lot more Biblical references.

 

[user.]

the Whore of Babylon

Babylon the Whore is not the RCC, it is Israel/USA.

Who is the Scarlet Beast?

The beast is a composite of the four beasts of Daniel 7. The four beasts have a total of 7 heads and 10 horns. The first six heads are the kingdoms from Neo-Babylon to the Roman Empire. The seventh head is the Islamic empire and is thus the empire of the Antichrist.

Who are the 10 horns?

The Ten Horns are all on the seventh head. These ten horns originated from the first phase of the seventh head. Thus, the Ten Horns are ten Islamic nations. The seventh head has two phases. The first phase was the beginning of the Islamic empire, and then it perished and divided into several nations. In the second phase, the Ten Nations will unite under the leadership of the Antichrist.

 

[miamited]

So you believe the RCC is the Whore?
That is the question at hand.

Hi Paul Timothy

Asked and answered, counselor.

God bless,
Ted

 

[for_his_glory]

How has the Reformation made the vision clear?

So if three horns are destroyed already(where is this in Revelation) how will all ten destroy the Whore?

Where is the Whore drunk with the power of the Beast?
Is the Whore not drunk with the blood of the saints, etc.?

The Scarlet Beast is a different Beast than the 2 in Chapter 13.
The differences are very obvious when placed side by side.

Where is this in Revelation? References please.

I am in Canada and our King is in England and I don't see England in your list.
And Charles is not really our King... but King of the commonwealth.

For this to be worth looking into I would need a lot more Biblical references.

It's a very long study with what is written in Rev 13, 17 18 (actually from Genesis to Revelation) including studying the history of the tower of Babel and the four Empires beginning with the Babylonian Empire and Nimrod ending with the Roman Empire that received a deadly wound, but the wound has been healed.

Now you probably will not read it, but I wrote a book on Revelation called The Unveiling that you can find in this subforum and you can read and find your answers in Rev Chapter 13, 17, 18. It's way to much to give it all in this thread.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree it will be a Roman kind of power over Jerusalem, from which the churches are crushed and purged of all dissent.

Especially by noble saints sticking to Scripture and the faith of Jesus only.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14)

This whore and the beast she rides on is a Luciferian system that controls world wide economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious system.

 

[for_his_glory]

Babylon the Whore is not the RCC, it is Israel/USA.

The beast is a composite of the four beasts of Daniel 7. The four beasts have a total of 7 heads and 10 horns. The first six heads are the kingdoms from Neo-Babylon to the Roman Empire. The seventh head is the Islamic empire and is thus the empire of the Antichrist.

The Ten Horns are all on the seventh head. These ten horns originated from the first phase of the seventh head. Thus, the Ten Horns are ten Islamic nations. The seventh head has two phases. The first phase was the beginning of the Islamic empire, and then it perished and divided into several nations. In the second phase, the Ten Nations will unite under the leadership of the Antichrist.

Sorry about the length, but this is my understanding of the seven heads and 10 horns.

Below is that of the seven remaining nations described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon. This Empire ran from 2000BC - 1759BC

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
This Empire ran from 753BC -27BC

The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25; Rev 13:3. The deadly wound came in 1798 when General Berthier of France, who made his entrance into Rome, abolished the Roman government and established a secular one and captured Pope Pius VI, who soon died in captivity in Valence, on August 29, 1799. In 1801 Napoleon made an agreement with Pope Pius II establishing Napoleon’s Organic Articles of granting the Tribunal and the Corps legislative partial control of the concordat in order to help the state monitor any politically harmful Catholic or Protestant movements or activities. The wound was largely healed in 1929 when Mussolini gave the Vatican back to Pope Pius XI and established it as a country in it's own right in the Lateran Treaty.

The Roman Empire began in 753BC by Romulus who founded Rome in 27BC with Augustus Caesar becoming the first emperor of Rome in 27 BC and died in 14AD. Rome controlled over two million square miles stretching from the Rhine River to Egypt and from Britain (England) to Asia Minor which made up the Grecian Empire of Greece, Turkey, Syria and Egypt. In 146BC the Romans destroyed Corinth during the Battle of Corinth and made the Greece Empire into a province of the Roman Empire. This timeline goes from 753BC to 27BC. Nero burned Rome in 64AD and blamed the Christian community in the city causing the Roman Empires first persecution of Christians. In 1453 was the rise of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople destroying the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Roman Empire) that reigned from 330AD to 1453AD. The Roman Empire was divided into an eastern half and a western half in 285 CE by Emperor Diocletian. It was the Emperor Constantine in 330CE who moved the capital of the Roman Empire to Byzantium (Constantinople) in the Eastern Empire. The Roman Empire was then called the Holy Roman Empire that was a political entity beginning in 800AD - 1806AD from the time of Charlemagne (Holy Roman Emperor) who protected Pope Leo III from Adrian's supporters in Rome to Francis II, King of France. Pope Pius VII was the Pope from 1800-1823. The Roman Empire is known today as Vatican City, a city-state surrounded by Rome in Italy who has diplomatic relations with every nation around the world.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns/nations represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:15-28.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (Germans in Great Britain), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire (mystery Babylon, Rev 17:5) which causes man to take its mark. Daniel 7:25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-12.

The ten horns are ten kings who have not yet received their kingdoms as the Vatican's New World Order Headquarters and the United Nations Organization, One Security Council that claims authority over the world are waiting for ten permanent members. In 2009 the UNO divided the world into ten economic regions and each one will have a Jesuit Provincial set over them, but their end will come with the glory of the Lord striking them down when He returns with us His army. (Will study more about the army in Rev 19)

Ten Kingdoms of a One World Government:
Kingdom 1: Canada, Mexico and the United States of America
Kingdom 2: European Union – Western Europe
Kingdom 3: Japan
Kingdom 4: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel and Pacific Islands
Kingdom 5: Eastern Europe
Kingdom 6: Latin America, Central and South America
Kingdom 7: North Africa and the Middle East
Kingdom 8: Central Africa
Kingdom 9: South and Southeast Asia
Kingdom 10: Central Asia

 

[for_his_glory]

I don't understand how this is quoting where I have violated any ToS.
It definitely is not a quote of mine.
Could you please answer my question?
Where exactly did I violate ToS?

We will continue this in TWTS

 

[Paul Timothy]

It's a very long study with what is written in Rev 13, 17 18 (actually from Genesis to Revelation) including studying the history of the tower of Babel and the four Empires beginning with the Babylonian Empire and Nimrod ending with the Roman Empire that received a deadly wound, but the wound has been healed.

Now you probably will not read it, but I wrote a book on Revelation called The Unveiling that you can find in this subforum and you can read and find your answers in Rev Chapter 13, 17, 18. It's way to much to give it all in this thread.

All you have to do to satisfy my curiosity would be to provide Biblical references to the questions I have asked that support your position.

No I do not want to read a book to get a few simple questions answered.

 

[RBDERRICK]

So you don't want to explain?
Just another insult?

When you use insults to ask for clarification, sincere people don't see any honesty in your question.

 

[Paul Timothy]

When you use insults to ask for clarification, sincere people don't see any honesty in your question.

What insult?

 

[RBDERRICK]

What insult?

Oh, you meant you were in a fog. No problem. Me taking your words literal again. Try rereading and tell me my conclusion, that you disagree with.