Rapture and the Second Coming

[n2thelight]

Mike

Fight Satan for what? He is already defeated and we have authority over him with the Power of the Holy Spirit. It said STAND!!!! Not fight.................... Stand...........Stand...... having done all to stand!!!!

Your making stuff up again.......... Before posting to me, think about what I could bust you on........... Think before responding if it's not in the scripture, then don't post it as a fact.

We fight the good fight of faith................... We don't fight devils.

I think you know very well what kind of fight I meant,and yes we must make a stand,that part you got right.,..My question to you is,why do you wish to fly away?satan isn't here yet,so you can talk that talk,but can you walk the walk when he does arrive....

You say we have the victory,which is true,yet you want to run away,when the rubber meets the road......

But sense you playing ignorant,let me share what kind of fight

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this?Dang sure aint a rapture

Ephesians 6:14 "Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;"

Yes,as I admitted,you are correct STAND,so again,why do you wish to be raptured?

Ephesians 6:16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked."

Why do you need a shiel,if you not going to be here when it really matters?

Ephesians 6:17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"


That evil day is when satan comes to this earth and pretends to be Christ,ohbut you not going to be here right,it's all good,I'll take that stand!!!!!

 

[n2thelight]

Appearing and Coming

APPEARING and COMING​

Appearing and Coming —- Many proponents of the pre-tribulation rapture claim that the “rapture” will be a SILENT event. Their motive for this claim is to discount Matthew 24:29-31 as the “rapture” because that profound description clearly takes place AFTER the Great Tribulation [verse 29], and their position holds to the notion that the Church will be raptured prior to the Great Tribulation. Their claim is that the “rapture” will take place in a “silent” event seven years prior to the well defined event of the following passage. Let’s take a look at what the New Testament says about THE APPEARING.

Appearing —-Matt 24:29-31​

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days”
the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.​

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• it is emphatically held by the pre-tribulationist, that the resurrection of the righteous will take place SEVEN YEARS prior to the event of verse 30, in reprehensible opposition to Rev. 20:4-6—–”this is the FIRST resurrection”.
  

Col 3:3-4​

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.​

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4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.​

1 Peter 5:4​

4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.​

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• Rev. 11:18 tells us that we will receive our rewards at the seventh trumpet [the Last Trump].

1 John 2:28​

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.​

1 John 3:2​

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

2 Tim 4:1​

4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;.

• it is clear in this verse, that the “appearing” and the beginning of the millennial reign, take place at the same time and with NO separation of “seven years”.

2 Tim 4:8
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.​

• Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,and them that fear thy name, small and great; ———–and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Titus 2:13​

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;​

1 Peter 1:7​

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

THE COMING​

1 Cor 1:7-8​

7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:23-24​

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

• how can one possibly place a seven year “GAP” between verses 23 and 24?
• Christ will PUT DOWN all rule and authority “at his coming”.
• we are Christ’s——-AT HIS COMING!

1 Thess 2:19​

19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

1 Thess 4:15-18​

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [Rev.20:4-7 This is the first resurrection].
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

• the pre-tribulationist claims that Rev. 4:1 is a representation of the rapture, as John envisions himself passing through an “open door” in heaven. in fact, at the rapture, the Elect will not be gathered through an open door in heaven , but rather—-to meet Christ IN THE AIR! we are to comfort ourselves with these words.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

2 Thess 2:1-2​

2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

• are we to believe that there is a seven year GAP between the “coming” of the Lord and our “gathering” to be with him?

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand [imminent].

2 Thess 2:3​

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

• “that day”—-what day?——–verse 1, “our gathering to be with him”.
• “that day” [of our gathering] shall NOT COME until AFTER the man of sin is revealed.

2 Thess 2:8-​

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

• we will be gathered at the “Coming” of Jesus Christ!
• Antichrist will be destroyed at the “COMING” of Jesus Christ.
• “destroyed—–coming”, “coming—-destroyed”—-a seven year gap between the two?—–insane!

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
James 5:7​

7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

2 Peter 3:12​

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

• we are to be LOOKING FOR that day when the “ELEMENTS WILL MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT”, and NOT FOR a secret, silent rapture followed by a seven year peace agreement.

1 John 2:28​

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
The notion that there is more than ONE “appearing/coming” ie. a pre-tribulation rapture followed by an official “second coming” seven years later, is simply not supported in the New Testament. There is only one “appearing/coming” as soundly declared in these previous verses—-that Blessed Hope and Glorious Appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ following the Tribulation of the Saints!

“They overcame by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony—–

http://www.againstallheresy.com/bible-prophecy/appearingcoming/

 

[Deborah13]

If it was a English noun Apostasy then it refers to one person and you would need a plural. You could use the Verb Apostate

Apostasy does not refer to one person, Apostasy is a thing, not a person.

apostate is a noun (can be used as an adjective) referring to a person.

a·pos·tate

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n. One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apostate

Notice again apostate is a Noun not a verb.

Pay attention........

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Jesus saw Satan cast down from Heaven, At this point he gives us the authority over him. Satan lost his place..........

In this, I agree with you. satan was cast out. He is no longer in heaven accusing the brothern, as he did Job. he has the ability to tempt us, his workers can do many things of evil in this world. But we were given the power in the name of Jesus to overcome him. he accuses us to us directly. That's one reason it is so important to confess our sin to the Lord, so satan can't accuse us and get between us and the Lord. If we don't he can make us feel sneaky and dirty, we fall right into his evil plan, which is deception. he knows he lost the battle already, he's just busy trying to take prisoners for future destruction with him.

satan is a roaring lion but that's all he is, he has no teeth they've all been pulled by Jesus at the cross. but when he roars and men listen evil deeds are done and he devours. So put on the whole armor of God.

1 Peter 5:8
Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

We fight the good fight of faith................... We don't fight devils.

Yes, what does the verse before and after say....

7casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 [a]But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your [b]brethren who are in the world.

 

[Brother Mike]

(-pstt, -tt)
n. One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apostate

It really looks like it says abandon "ones" faith. ONE WHO.................... but if you say so, it don't matter because that is the English word from the Latin from the Greek. The Original Word is a Female noun that just means to depart from something. In that Word itself it does not denote the Object as the Object has to be identified in the article.

Apostasy a thing means to turn from ones faith.

What faith would that be?

Yes, what does the verse before and after say....

7casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 [a]But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

What are you talking about? I said we fight the good fight of faith, that is what I said.

N2thelight quoted me Ephesians.........then as always made stuff up out of his head.

anthistēmi

Means to resist or withstand. It does not denote fighting or striking back it.

Rom_16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Eph_6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand (anthistēmi) in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

There is nothing that indicates we "Fight"

theomacheō Would denote to actually fight against a deity................. We have no instruction to do this against theos (Of this Word) Satan.

pukteō would mean like with fist, uncertain if only used for competition.

Anyway, we don't "Fight" Satan. We use our faith and stand against unmoving and resist "With" faith. It's God that takes care of the rest.

Jesus said, whatsoever you bind in Heaven shall be bound on earth.

Paul said there are spirits in the heavens the rulers over things

It sort of seems like we resist the little devils here (powers, rulers, principalities) and the Lord cuts off the leadership from the heaven position. That is what it looks like......

In this, I agree with you. satan was cast out. He is no longer in heaven accusing the brothern, as he did Job. he has the ability to tempt us, his workers can do many things of evil in this world. But we were given the power in the name of Jesus to overcome him. he accuses us to us directly. That's one reason it is so important to confess our sin to the Lord, so satan can't accuse us and get between us and the Lord. If we don't he can make us feel sneaky and dirty, we fall right into his evil plan, which is deception. he knows he lost the battle already, he's just busy trying to take prisoners for future destruction with him.

The Problem I have putting Revelation 12 into the Future is that we then have to wait for Salvation and the Kingdom of God to come. We know the women is Israel or possibly Mary who fled Herod when Satan sent out a wave of destruction to find the Child Jesus. It's when Jesus came to earth, the show was over for Satan. Not sometime in the future.

We know this because we have What God said here.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The Women Israel, the Seed of Abraham? Most likely and it's when Jesus came to this earth as a baby, that is when Satan's time was cut short and why He tried so hard to get Mary and the child Jesus. Because we have a representative here on Earth for us, Satan lost his seat in Heaven.

Your right, it's apparent that Satan had straight access to the throne like IN Job. He has no more access as we have a faithful High priest now that makes intercession for us always. Satan is no longer there and could not be there with Jesus in the way.

N2theLight is waiting for Jesus to provide Salvation and some means to defeat Satan in his life and He is in trouble with no faith.

Your blessed.

I may have the English Word Apostasy messed up a bit.............. but it does not matter, The Holy Spirit did not use the English Word Apostasy. Even if Paul did, it still would not tell us what faith was departed from and in the Greek it would read......

deflecting from the truth of the Son of perdition. Because the Object would have to come after. N2thelight must really believe that instead if He thinks Paul used the Greek to Latin to English Word Apostasy. There would be no other way to read it then in the Greek.

Mike.

 

[reba]

Generally speaking...

God has preserved His Word through the ages.... not just in the last 2000 years but from the beginning.... He knew who and when it would be translated by fallible man. IF one can read Greek great if one reads the Word in Spanish great .... He knows who needs which version....

Seems to be if we dissect the Greek, and Hebrew as far as we can, for this thought or that we should be constant doing the same for all.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Generally speaking...

God has preserved His Word through the ages.... not just in the last 2000 years but from the beginning.... He knew who and when it would be translated by fallible man. IF one can read Greek great if one reads the Word in Spanish great .... He knows who needs which version....

Seems to be if we dissect the Greek, and Hebrew as far as we can, for this thought or that we should be constant doing the same for all.

Even the experts disagree.

 

[reba]

Yup experts are just men doing their best...

Isa_55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[Brother Mike]

Seems to be if we dissect the Greek, and Hebrew as far as we can, for this thought or that we should be constant doing the same for all.

The Problem I have is taking the Greek and Hebrew, Dissecting it to the point where we miss the concept.

 

[Brother Mike]

APPEARING and COMING
Appearing and Coming —- Many proponents of the pre-tribulation rapture claim that the “rapture” will be a SILENT event. Their motive for this claim is to discount Matthew 24:29-31 as the “rapture” because that profound description clearly takes place AFTER the Great Tribulation [verse 29], and their position holds to the notion that the Church will be raptured prior to the Great Tribulation. Their claim is that the “rapture” will take place in a “silent” event seven years prior to the well defined event of the following passage. Let’s take a look at what the New Testament says about THE APPEARING.

I wanted to know what you believed and the scriptures you found. I get what someone else believes and I question why you even bother.



Mike.

 

[reba]

Seems to be if we dissect the Greek, and Hebrew as far as we can, for this thought or that we should be constant doing the same for all.

The Problem I have is taking the Greek and Hebrew, Dissecting it to the point where we miss the concept.

I believe that was my point. thanks Mike

 

[reba]

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[Deborah13]

What are you talking about? I said we fight the good fight of faith, that is what I said.

Mike what are you talking about? I agreed with you and quoted scripture that agrees with You.

verse 9 - 9 [a]But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

but it does not matter, The Holy Spirit did not use the English Word Apostasy. Even if Paul did, it still would not tell us what faith was departed from

And in this I agree, it does not tell us what the apostasy is from. We only know there is an apostasy, an away from stand, but it doesn't say from what. That was my point, we can't change what a word means nor do we need to. We just need to say, we DON'T KNOW for sure from that sentence.
We can't tweak words (none of us) in order to squeeze it into any doctrine and chain of events.

But we do see were Paul tells them what they must do.....
verse 15
15 so, then, brethren, stand ye fast, and hold the deliverances that ye were taught, whether through word, whether through our letter;

 

[Brother Mike]

Mike what are you talking about? I agreed with you and quoted scripture that agrees with You.

verse 9 - 9 [a]But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

What can I say, Men are from mars and we misunderstood each other again. Is it Low self esteem that causes someone to think everyone must be speaking bad about them (normally the case) Or is it Mike is just dumb and did not read it properly? Who would know.

But we do see were Paul tells them what they must do.....
verse 15
15 so, then, brethren, stand ye fast, and hold the deliverances that ye were taught, whether through word, whether through our letter;

Which is why I have a big issue with this Post trib believe, because this one passage in Thess changes that belief. It's really down to a couple main scriptures. That determines Post or Pre trib so the Post tribbers will fight on this one passage being willfully ignorant of the Word Apostasia.

Normally the Noun (Female) has to be defined with the object after..................

Faith................ Faith in God (Object)

Forsake (Apostasia) Moses......... (Object)

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Except: ean mē..........

That is, G1437 and G3361; if not, that is, unless: - X before, but, except, if no, (if, + whosoever) not.


Because Paul by the Holy Spirit sort of breaks this rule the added words for that day shall not come to convey the Particle of speech was put in by the KJV translators to convey this after the Greek Female Noun. They did not believe that the Apostasia was connected to the Son of Perdition which is how it normally would have read.

Until we forsake and depart from the Son of perdition.

ean mē Puts this forsaking first before the object Greek Noun title "Son of Perdition"

It's interesting to Note that "Christ" is also considered a Title and not just meaning anointed or anointing. I had to eat my words when someone proved that to me...

So then the only thing in the Article that departs is the body of Christ which is at the start of the Article.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

That would be what defines a departure from a previous standing.

Like, Deborah you can leave to go to Disney land, However that Apostasia (Departure) will not come until a cleaning of your room is first.

How we end up with Michael as a Restrainer when the Holy Spirit is the one that reproves the World of sin and Allows iniquity without judgment until the Light be removed (The body of the Lord Jesus, the Anointed believers by where the Holy Spirit dwells) is beyond my comprehension. It's only the greater one in us that is greater than Satan in the World and without us, there is nothing left to restrain the devil because Jesus gave us the ability to pray and authority over the devil.

Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

So we switch from Jesus being in control to some Angel in control......

Mike.

 

[turnorburn]

The rider carries a bow, it doesn't have an arrow so i ask who "on today's scene" carries a bow without an arrow. Now remember this guy is a greatly respected religious figure he has to be in order to fit the title of another Christ the Antichrist. So who is he who carries that bow, cant be Obama "no bow" wasn't Hitler "no bow" and these two aren't even close to being considered religious.

pope carries a bowed cross, and rides in a white car............. EDITED

It will be someone that disregards women, homosexual and promotes this freedom from religion. That is until, He promotes himself and then he gets nasty. There would have to be a huge political shift toward him before he shows himself but by then it will be to late.

However the World does not need to Worry about Satan......... He is such a small player in Revelation and pathetic at that. His last failed attempt and it will be his worse failed attempt.

The World should be more concerned about What God is doing................. Some of these people around here watched way to many Omen and left behind movies....... Satan is not the star player, not even close.

Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev_16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev_16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

people are not crying over what Satan is doing................... It's a God that is dealing with a World that rejected the Word, and the Lord Jesus.

Origin of the bent cross..

This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we have shown, at left.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc100.htm

tob

 

[reba]

Whoa...... closed for clean up..... Lets not be rude to others .... repeating this over and over to grownups? How old are we, yet seem to behave like junior hi kids.

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[reba]

All this talk of Greek this and that. Yet exchanging a car for a horse?

Trying to clean up the snarks will take a while Please be polite following the ToS you agreed to when you signed on. I will reopen while i do some dusting...

 

[farouk]

I love 1 Thess. 4. Good for discussions of the Lord's coming for His church to center on such a passage.

 

[JLB]

The rider carries a bow, it doesn't have an arrow so i ask who "on today's scene" carries a bow without an arrow. Now remember this guy is a greatly respected religious figure he has to be in order to fit the title of another Christ the Antichrist. So who is he who carries that bow, cant be Obama "no bow" wasn't Hitler "no bow" and these two aren't even close to being considered religious.

pope carries a bowed cross, and rides in a white car............. EDITED

It will be someone that disregards women, homosexual and promotes this freedom from religion. That is until, He promotes himself and then he gets nasty. There would have to be a huge political shift toward him before he shows himself but by then it will be to late.

However the World does not need to Worry about Satan......... He is such a small player in Revelation and pathetic at that. His last failed attempt and it will be his worse failed attempt.

The World should be more concerned about What God is doing................. Some of these people around here watched way to many Omen and left behind movies....... Satan is not the star player, not even close.

Rev_9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev_16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev_16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

people are not crying over what Satan is doing................... It's a God that is dealing with a World that rejected the Word, and the Lord Jesus.

Origin of the bent cross..

This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Christ, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as we have shown, at left.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc100.htm

tob

Thanks for the info, Brother.


JLB

 

[Brother Mike]

All this talk of Greek this and that. Yet exchanging a car for a horse?

White "Pope Mobile" Carries a bowed Cross, Might just be mentioned in Rev 13....... Has to be, or so what I heard back in the early 90's.

If you seen how small this car is, A horse might not be a bad trade off. They have improved it over the years though but it's always white are at least off white.

Thanks for the info, Brother.

farouk, yes, very interesting.

 

[reba]

if someone thinks a story is a parable that is totally wrong but it is ok for others to change the Word from a horse to a car? Is that consistent ?