Rapture and the Second Coming

[JLB]

if someone thinks a story is a parable that is totally wrong but it is ok for others to change the Word from a horse to a car? Is that consistent ?

He is making a joke.

You know, white horse. Bow. looks like lamb, talks like a dragon.

Small white car?


Ha Ha Ha.:rolling



JLB

 

[Brother Mike]

if someone thinks a story is a parable that is totally wrong but it is ok for others to change the Word from a horse to a car? Is that consistent ?

There is a belief that the Pope is the Antichrist because he matches the one carrying the Bow (A bowed cross) and he exclusively rides in a white vehicle.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The Pope also wears a crown......

but yes... some take this very serious. For me what JLB said. "Joke"

Mike.

 

[reba]

Guys do you have any idea how many people "guests' read these pages....

Lets say you are smarten off about the Pope ....some guy who is questioning the RCC their teaching etc starts to look around... shows up here reads what you have posted ... my guess he will become defensive and that fence covers the ears.

Try and keep your silliness in PM try a little bit ... I have too so you can

 

[Brother Mike]

Guys do you have any idea how many people "guests' read these pages....

Lets say you are smarten off about the Pope ....some guy who is questioning the RCC their teaching etc starts to look around... shows up here reads what you have posted ... my guess he will become defensive and that fence covers the ears.

That is a good point. Far more guest than people that sign up. You don't think the Pope was here? Just a thought.

Mike.

 

[farouk]

1 Timothy 2.5 is a good talking point.

 

[n2thelight]

If it was a English noun Apostasy then it refers to one person and you would need a plural. You could use the Verb Apostate

Apostasy does not refer to one person, Apostasy is a thing, not a person.

apostate is a noun (can be used as an adjective) referring to a person.

a·pos·tate

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n. One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apostate

Notice again apostate is a Noun not a verb.

Pay attention........

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Jesus saw Satan cast down from Heaven, At this point he gives us the authority over him. Satan lost his place..........

In this, I agree with you. satan was cast out. He is no longer in heaven accusing the brothern, as he did Job. he has the ability to tempt us, his workers can do many things of evil in this world. But we were given the power in the name of Jesus to overcome him. he accuses us to us directly. That's one reason it is so important to confess our sin to the Lord, so satan can't accuse us and get between us and the Lord. If we don't he can make us feel sneaky and dirty, we fall right into his evil plan, which is deception. he knows he lost the battle already, he's just busy trying to take prisoners for future destruction with him.

satan is a roaring lion but that's all he is, he has no teeth they've all been pulled by Jesus at the cross. but when he roars and men listen evil deeds are done and he devours. So put on the whole armor of God.

1 Peter 5:8
Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

We fight the good fight of faith................... We don't fight devils.

Yes, what does the verse before and after say....

7casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. 8 Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9 [a]But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your [b]brethren who are in the world.

No matter what you say about that word apostate,it does not mean to be taken off this planet,ie,raptured.......

The reason why satan has not been kicked out of Heaven yet,is for the simple fact that had he been,he would now be sitting on the throne pretending to be Christ......

Also,please note at which trumpet satan appears....

As for Ephesians,I'll just respond to this in a question.....When one goes to war,what is the purpose of the armour?Why would we need this if we not here,when the war with satan,really breaks out?

This war is now, and will be,a spiritual one....

 

[turnorburn]

Seeing that I'm the one that brought this into the light let me be the one to give you the reason I've taken this upon myself..

Ephesians 5: 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

This text is taken from the Jesuit Oath Of Induction the Jesuit order is an vast army of soldiers fighting for the pope. The current pope is Jesuit, after you read this you'll see the seriousness of this topic and just how close we are to the Lords second coming.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

http://www.reformation.org/oath.html

tob

 

[n2thelight]

Ephesians 6:13"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this refering to?

 

[farouk]

The Lord Jesus said: 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.'

 

[farouk]

Actually the 2 Thessalonians 3.2 verse doesn't seem to refer to the same event as in 1 Thess. 4.

 

[n2thelight]

The Lord Jesus said: 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.'

So why do you think you all(rapturist)will escape the trib?

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The end of what?

 

[farouk]

The Lord Jesus said: 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.'

So why do you think you all(rapturist)will escape the trib?

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The end of what?

Because the Lord's coming to the air (1 Thess. 4) for his saints and His coming in power with His saints (2 Thess. are distinct). We have been through this before and you don't agree. Well, leave it there. I've no desire to become belligerent.

Blessings.

 

[n2thelight]

Ephesians 6:13"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this refering to?

??????

 

[farouk]

Ephesians 6:13"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this refering to?

??????

As mentioned previously, the church certainly faces the tribulation principle (John 16.33), if not the great tribulation (Matthew 24.21).

 

[n2thelight]

The Lord Jesus said: 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.'

So why do you think you all(rapturist)will escape the trib?

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The end of what?

Because the Lord's coming to the air (1 Thess. 4) for his saints and His coming in power with His saints (2 Thess. are distinct). We have been through this before and you don't agree. Well, leave it there. I've no desire to become belligerent.

Blessings.

Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4 NKJV, “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.”

In the above passage we see Jesus come down from heaven, faithful believers being caught up together, and then sudden destruction coming upon the lost. Everything in this passage takes place on “that day,” which is “the day of the Lord.” These words are found near the end of Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul also wrote a second letter to these same Christians, which taught precisely the same thing. Thus in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 we find he wrote to them a second time about “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.” (Note how this is a perfect parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

And in the chapter before this being chapter one, Paul wrote about this same gathering together. After describing the “persecutions and tribulations” which these early believers where enduring Paul said, “And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.” 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 NKJV.
Careful comparisons reveal that all three passages, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1 describe the very same day when Jesus Christ comes down from heaven, when His faithful people are gathered together, and when sudden destruction comes upon the lost.

It becomes very clear when all three passages are compared that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3-2, Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2:1 all describe the same event of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that He is coming with a shout, a voice, a trumpet, with His angels and in flaming fire to catch up all true believers and to destroy the lost.

 

[n2thelight]

Ephesians 6:13"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this refering to?

??????

As mentioned previously, the church certainly faces the tribulation principle (John 16.33), if not the great tribulation (Matthew 24.21).

So why do you believe in a pre trib,if after the trib is post trib?

 

[farouk]

The Lord Jesus said: 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.'

So why do you think you all(rapturist)will escape the trib?

Matthew 24:13

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The end of what?

Because the Lord's coming to the air (1 Thess. 4) for his saints and His coming in power with His saints (2 Thess. are distinct). We have been through this before and you don't agree. Well, leave it there. I've no desire to become belligerent.

Blessings.

Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:4 NKJV, “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.”

In the above passage we see Jesus come down from heaven, faithful believers being caught up together, and then sudden destruction coming upon the lost. Everything in this passage takes place on “that day,” which is “the day of the Lord.” These words are found near the end of Paul’s first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul also wrote a second letter to these same Christians, which taught precisely the same thing. Thus in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 we find he wrote to them a second time about “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him.” (Note how this is a perfect parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

And in the chapter before this being chapter one, Paul wrote about this same gathering together. After describing the “persecutions and tribulations” which these early believers where enduring Paul said, “And to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.” 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 NKJV.
Careful comparisons reveal that all three passages, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1 describe the very same day when Jesus Christ comes down from heaven, when His faithful people are gathered together, and when sudden destruction comes upon the lost.

It becomes very clear when all three passages are compared that 1 Thessalonians 4:16-5:3-2, Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2:1 all describe the same event of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and that He is coming with a shout, a voice, a trumpet, with His angels and in flaming fire to catch up all true believers and to destroy the lost.

Clear maybe to you, but not to me.

 

[farouk]

Ephesians 6:13"Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

What evil day is this refering to?

??????

As mentioned previously, the church certainly faces the tribulation principle (John 16.33), if not the great tribulation (Matthew 24.21).

So why do you believe in a pre trib,if after the trib is post trib?

I don't understand what you're asking.

 

[n2thelight]

As mentioned previously, the church certainly faces the tribulation principle (John 16.33), if not the great tribulation (Matthew 24.21).

So why do you believe in a pre trib,if after the trib is post trib?

I don't understand what you're asking.

You believe in the rapture being pre tribulation,yet you state that the Church goes through tribulation......That being the case,would place the rapture(our gathering) after the tribulation.....

 

[farouk]

As mentioned previously, the church certainly faces the tribulation principle (John 16.33), if not the great tribulation (Matthew 24.21).

So why do you believe in a pre trib,if after the trib is post trib?

I don't understand what you're asking.

You believe in the rapture being pre tribulation,yet you state that the Church goes through tribulation......That being the case,would place the rapture(our gathering) after the tribulation.....

No I didn't state that the church goes through the Great Tribulation.

We don't agree.

Blessings.