Sabbath Day business

[ezrider]

So now if you would, since I have given you the scripture that says by doing these thing we fulfill the Law of Christ,

Well your up, time to present your scripture that says by loving the Lord you God and loving your neighbor as yourself fulfills the Law of Moses.

Did somebody say faith doesn't fulfill the law of Christ? It wasn't me, so you'll have to direct that topic toward the person who doesn't think so, okay?

Nobody said that Faith doesn't fulfill the Law of Christ. No on what so ever, but now your the one playing games and you know it.

I challenged you to produce a scripture that says in forgiving one another so do we fulfill the Law of Moses. Where is it. Produce the scripture reference. But you won't, because you can't. Can You? All you have is bluster and nothing more.

Now you keep quoting Galatians 5:14 as if it supposed to mean something, but that verse does not say "Law of Moses" now does it. Why that is something that you are adding into the text of what is written. If you are trying to fulfill and uphold the Law of Moses, then why are you adding onto what is clearly not written in the text.


Now produce your scripture that literally states that by faith we uphold the Law of Moses.

 

[ezrider]

If you can actually take the time to 'listen' to what I said here you'll begin to understand you do not have to invent another law

Invent another law. Who me? No, I have not invented anything Jethro. I follow after the law of Christ as child of the Kingdom under the New Covenant of Grace, which was promised to Abraham long before your law of Moses came to a rebellious and hard hearted people.

But if your insistence is that I have somehow invented another law, then all that tells me is that you have only heard the law of Moses from mount Sinai, and that you have never heard the Law of G-d that went forth from Zion, and you have never heard the dew of Hermon.



Why, even Deuteronomy means "second Law".

 

[JLB]

another law to resolve a contradiction that doesn't exist to begin with in this matter of law in the first covenant and law in this New Covenant.

The laws and commandments of the Lord that Abraham obeyed did not have requirements for -

A Levitical Priesthood.
Specific animal sacrifices for atonement.
Food laws.
Clothing laws
Feast days
Sabbath requirements

These were added and called the law of Moses.

Likewise the New Covenant does have have these requirements as well.


The law of Moses governed the Covenant of Sinai, that was temporarily added, until the Messiah should come.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19

JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Nobody said that Faith doesn't fulfill the Law of Christ.

That's right. So there is no reason for you to bring up the argument. We all know faith fulfills the law of Christ. What you can't escape is that the Bible says faith fulfills and upholds the law of Moses. I've never seen a single 'the law is dead' hyper-grace person have the guts to acknowledge that they didn't know, after being shown, that the Bible says in plain words and context that faith fulfills the law of Moses. Jesus himself plainly said he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill:

"17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish (throw down/ destroy) but to fulfill. " (Matthew 5:17-18 NASB parenthesis mine)

Even though it plainly says this in our Bibles, so many Christians insist that Jesus did come to destroy the law. And they argue endlessly that faith does NOT fulfill the law, yet Christ plainly said he did not come to do that.

The laws and commandments of the Lord that Abraham obeyed did not have requirements for -

A Levitical Priesthood.
Specific animal sacrifices for atonement.
Food laws.
Clothing laws
Feast days
Sabbath requirements

These were added and called the law of Moses.

Likewise the New Covenant does have have these requirements as well.


The law of Moses governed the Covenant of Sinai, that was temporarily added, until the Messiah should come.


JLB

"Love your neighbor as yourself" is also the law of Moses. It didn't go anywhere. Your doctrine falls to pieces when it tries to make two different "Love your neighbor as yourself" laws, for example, in order to explain the church's already erroneous teachings about the law.

And as for the things you listed, even those get fulfilled, not destroyed by faith in Christ. But you can't understand that because you are locked into thinking that you can only fulfill the law of Moses literally to the letter, yet Christ is a fulfillment of the law of Moses, but is not a literal fulfillment of it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I challenged you to produce a scripture that says in forgiving one another so do we fulfill the Law of Moses. Where is it. Produce the scripture reference. But you won't, because you can't. Can You? All you have is bluster and nothing more.

"18 'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself;" (Leviticus 19:18 NASB)

Why haven't you been paying attention? Do you not have ears to hear, you who boast of your superior revelation? I posted the scriptures that say love is the fulfilling of the law. When you love people you forgive them. When we love people (remember, love is the manifestation of faith) no debt of Mosaic law remains outstanding:

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." (Galatians 5:22 NASB)

So, no more of this wind about "you won't, because you can't....all you have is bluster and nothing more".
We will now see what you have, and if it contradicts the plain words of scripture or not and whether you're actually the one with bluster and nothing more.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Invent another law. Who me? No, I have not invented anything Jethro. I follow after the law of Christ as child of the Kingdom under the New Covenant of Grace, which was promised to Abraham long before your law of Moses came to a rebellious and hard hearted people.

But the point is, you are arguing that following after the law of Christ does not fulfill the law of Moses. I showed it does.

But if your insistence is that I have somehow invented another law, then all that tells me is that you have only heard the law of Moses from mount Sinai, and that you have never heard the Law of G-d that went forth from Zion, and you have never heard the dew of Hermon.



Why, even Deuteronomy means "second Law".

You really need to check your sources on that.
But it doesn't matter. We all know much of the specifics of the law of Moses came later. But the point is, faith fulfills and upholds what came later, not destroys it, as so many in the church insist. Jesus himself said he did not come to destroy the law of Moses but to fulfill it. But I'm guessing you are going to continue to argue endlessly that Jesus did come to destroy the law in favor of another law.

Jesus wasn't lying, he really didn't come to destroy the law of Moses, but to fulfill it. But I know you started out as a victim of the indoctrination and misinformation about the law the church has been propagating for centuries now. But the truth, spelled out for us in plain words, is we fulfill the law of Moses when we believe in Christ, and our faith in Christ manifests in love towards others. Love does not cast down and destroy the law of Moses, it upholds it. Now we all have to have the humility to acknowledge what the Bible really does so plainly say. Do you have the humility to do that? Or are you going to make the Bible not really mean what it says?

 

[JLB]

Love your neighbor as yourself" is also the law of Moses. It didn't go anywhere. Your doctrine falls to pieces when it tries to make two different "Love your neighbor as yourself" laws, for example, in order to explain the church's already erroneous teachings about the law.

Your doctrine ignores the many scriptures that point to the law being added, to the existing laws and commandments that Abraham obeyed, which did not include the commandments and ordinances of the law of Moses.

Love God and love your neighbor are eternal laws that preceded Moses and are still in force today after the law of Moses has been abolished, being nailed to the cross and declared obsolete.

The law that was added, has been removed by God, Hebrews 8:13, Ephesians 2:14

Unless you can show from the scriptures where the Sabbath began with Moses, you have no doctrine.


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Love God and love your neighbor are eternal laws that preceded Moses and are still in force today after the law of Moses has been abolished, being nailed to the cross and declared obsolete.

In your doctrine, what's the difference between these two commandments:

"Love your neighbor as yourself"
"Love your neighbor as yourself"

Which one gets fulfilled by faith in Christ? And which one does not? Which one is now obsolete?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

The law that was added, has been removed by God, Hebrews 8:13, Ephesians 2:14

Unless you can show from the scriptures where the Sabbath began with Moses, you have no doctrine.

I don't know what this has to do with my doctrine, so let's talk right to the point.

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

From this passage, is the Sabbath Commandment fulfilled or destroyed by our faith in Christ? According to Paul, when I have faith in Christ and it finds expression in "love your neighbor as yourself" have I left the Sabbath Commandment unfulfilled, so as to cast it down, or have I fulfilled and satisfied and upheld that debt of law?

 

[smaller]

I'm going to ask the moderators to set up your own forum where you can talk about this doctrine of yours.

Doctrine of "mine?"

I see what's laid out in scriptures, just like everyone else can. In the current example with ezrider for example, we can observe from Paul that every command in the scriptures are to be viewed, thusly, INCLUSIVE of the laws of Moses and the Ten Commandments, which are isolated by Paul in his dissections and directions, here:

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So, while ezrider may not think he is following the laws of Moses, he is in fact following. And so are you if you do likewise.

Neither of you should even have an argument or debate in love. However, in condemnation, no one will ever cease arguing.

 

[JLB]

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

Please show me where this verse say "faith in Christ" fulfills the law?

Loving God and loving people has always been God's kingdom law, long before there was a man named Moses....

Long before the law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant.

On these two commandments hand all the law [Torah] and the prophets.

This was true before Christ was born, and this was true before Moses was born.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I don't know what this has to do with my doctrine, so let's talk right to the point.

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

From this passage, is the Sabbath Commandment fulfilled or destroyed by our faith in Christ? According to Paul, when I have faith in Christ and it finds expression in "love your neighbor as yourself" have I left the Sabbath Commandment unfulfilled, so as to remove it, or have I fulfilled and satisfied that debt of law?

Just show me the scripture where the Sabbath started with the law of Moses.

From this passage, is the Sabbath Commandment fulfilled or destroyed by our faith in Christ?

Neither.

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)


Faith in Christ does not appear in these verse's.

Love your neighbor is what these verse's are teaching, not faith in Christ.


Your doctrine is so tangled up, you don't even realize what you are saying anymore.


JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Please show me where this verse say "faith in Christ" fulfills the law?

According to Paul, the faith that justifies is the faith that loves (Galatians 5:6 NASB). Love is the manifestation of faith. When we see someone's love we are seeing their faith. So when love fulfills the law that is your faith in action fulfilling the law of Moses. And not just part of it, but ALL of it. For he says love fulfills "any other commandment" there may be (Romans 13:9 NASB). When we love there is no outstanding debt of law left to condemn us (Galatians 5:22-23 NASB). The law is upheld and fulfilled, not cast down and destroyed when we love others--all of it, not just part of it.

Long before the law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant.

The law of Moses was not added to the Abrahamic Covenant. It is an entirely separate covenant. Paul said it is not allowed to add or take away from a covenant that has been established (Galatians 3:15 NASB). The law of Moses was a covenant that was added to the people of God, not to the Abrahamic covenant, and then made obsolete when Christ established a New Covenant in his blood. But it is an obsolete covenant that gets fulfilled, not destroyed, by Christ and faith in him, nonetheless.

Just show me the scripture where the Sabbath started with the law of Moses.

I didn't say it did.
Refresh my memory. What point are you trying to make?

 

[JLB]

According to Paul, the faith that justifies is the faith that loves (Galatians 5:6 NASB). Love is the manifestation of faith. When we see someone's love we are seeing their faith. So when love fulfills the law that is your faith in action fulfilling the law of Moses. And not just part of it, but ALL of it. For he says love fulfills "any other commandment" there may be (Romans 13:9 NASB). When we love there is no outstanding debt of law left to condemn us (Galatians 5:22-23 NASB). The law is upheld and fulfilled, not cast down and destroyed, when we love others--all of it, not just part of it.

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

This scripture does not say faith in Christ fulfills the law of Moses.

This is the scripture that you posted to validate your "doctrine" that faith in Christ fulfills the law of Moses.

There is no such teaching here.

The law of Moses was not added to the Abrahamic Covenant. It is an entirely separate covenant. Paul said it is not allowed to add or take away from a covenant that has been established (Galatians 3:15 NASB). The law of Moses as a covenant that was added to the people of God, not to the Abrahamic covenant, and then made obsolete when Christ established a New Covenant in his blood. But it is an obsolete covenant that gets fulfilled, not destroyed, by Christ and faith in him, nonetheless.

More of your tangled misguided, but well intention "doctrine".


The Abrahamic Covenant was for all of Abraham's descendants.

So now you are teaching that the children of Israel were not a part of the Abrahamic Covenant.

There seems to be no end to what you will say to try and validate, what you believe about the law of Moses.

The whole purpose of the law being added to the Abrahamic Covenant, was because the children of Israel were transgressing the Covenant requirements...

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; Galatians 3:19

The 10 commandments called out the boundary of the covenant commandments of God, that Abraham kept by faith, as he walked before the Lord in His presence, and received the empowering abilities from God's grace, by the faith he received from hearing God's Voice.

Walk before Me and be blameless... Genesis 17:1

1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly."
3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:
4 "As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
9 And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. Genesis 17:1-9


The promise God made to Abraham was to give him and descendants the land of Israel...

In order for God's blessing to be upon the children of Israel, so that they could drive out the nations that were stronger than them, they could not continue in the transgression's to the covenant requirements, so He added the law of Moses to make it plain for them to know and obey, as a "fence" AROUND THE COVENANT...

These laws and commandments and precepts... that Abraham kept by faith, as he walked with God and learned from God directly, as God intended Adam to learn, rather than LEARN from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


The tree of the knowledge of good and evil can never impart faith.


Here is what God Himself told Abraham's son Isaac -

3 Dwell in this land, and I will be with you and bless you; for to you and your descendants I give all these lands, and I will perform the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.
4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;
5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." Genesis 26:3-5


JLB

 

[JLB]

I didn't say it did.
Refresh my memory. What point are you trying to make?

I don't know what this has to do with my doctrine, so let's talk right to the point.

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

From this passage, is the Sabbath Commandment fulfilled or destroyed by our faith in Christ? According to Paul, when I have faith in Christ and it finds expression in "love your neighbor as yourself" have I left the Sabbath Commandment unfulfilled, so as to remove it, or have I fulfilled and satisfied that debt of law?

This scripture does not say faith in Christ fulfills the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was given by God, from the beginning, and was intended for man to rest on the 7th day, which points us to the rest to come when Christ returns.


So, what's YOUR point in posting this scripture from Romans 13, as it certainly has zero to do with faith in Christ fulfilling anything.



JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. " (Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

This scripture does not say faith in Christ fulfills the law of Moses.

So, you're saying your obedient 'love your neighbor as yourself' is not your obedient faith, you who time and time again equate 'faith' and 'obedience'? This will be a shocking change of doctrine for you, but whatever.

The Abrahamic Covenant was for all of Abraham's descendants.

So now you are teaching that the children of Israel were not a part of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Of course the covenant with Abraham was for Abraham's descendants. I know you don't listen very well, but let's try this. The Mosaic covenant was added as an additional covenant for the people of God. The law of Moses was not added into the Abrahamic covenant so as to change the Abrahamic covenant. Paul points out that everyone knows you can't do that with a covenant already established.

So, if what you're saying was true--that the Mosaic covenant was a set of changes temporarily added to, not added alongside, the Abrahamic covenant--then the inheritance would be by works, instead of by promise as it was before the (additional) covenant of law came along, and how it still is. Paul explains that here:

"15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise." (Galatians 3:15,17-18 NASB)

If the law of Moses was added right into the covenant with Abraham so as to change that covenant then the inheritance would now be based on keeping the law, nullifying the original Abrahamic covenant where the inheritance is based on the promise of God. He's explaining this to those who erroneously think somewhere along the line the inheritance changed from it being secured through the promise of God to being secured through works of the law. Paul says you can't do that to a previous covenant. The original one still stands. The Mosaic covenant was an additional covenant added alongside the Abrahamic covenant and did NOT change the condition upon which God's people inherit eternal life.

These laws and commandments and precepts... that Abraham kept by faith, as he walked with God and learned from God directly, as God intended Adam to learn, rather than LEARN from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil can never impart faith.

What an incredibly stupid doctrine--the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is NOT the law. The command 'do not eat' represents the law in the garden account. The tree they ate from is the tree of sin that grows in every person's heart. The law, represented in 'do not eat', arouses the temptation to indulge it. And when we indulge it, that is when we die. But you have the law as being forbidden and being that which killed Adam and Eve, but that is contrary to what Paul said. Read it carefully:

"9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; 10 and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; 11 for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. 13 Therefore did that which is good (the law) become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin..." (Romans 7:9-13 NASB)

So, enough of this talk about the law being evil. Enough of this talk about the Commandment being the tree that God forbids us to eat from! Sin is what is forbidden and which actually kills people, not the law! The law is only the vehicle through which sin kills.

 

[Sparkey]

Circumcision was (is) part of the Abrahamic Covenant. And that was (is) called an everlasting covenant, was (is) it not?

Everlasting does not necessarily mean unchanging. Tablets of stone were replaced and laws are being written on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. Notice anything about that? Stone means permanence. For instance, I might be talking to a used car dealer and say, "Is that price written in stone?" meaning, do we have room for negotiation on price? And if that used car salesman was worth his salt, he'd appeal to my heart and make a best guess about why I wanted that particular car and we would side step the flexible price for the closing argument.

God knew what He was doing when He did it. It was done, not just for them, but in such a way that we would know that what was done was done precisely for us. 1 Cor 10:11-12, 2 Peter 2:6 See Romans 15:4

Titus 3:4-9 (ESV) and context is worth speaking of again even though you've heard it before:

4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.

9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
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1 Cor 10:16-17 (KJV) The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
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[Sparkey]

What was the topic? Selling stuff on Sabbath, right?



Okay, if you guys want to donate to me for the truth that I just delivered? PM me so that I can give you my PayPal addy. You may pay me on a Sabbath day if you wanna. But you don't have to. Feel free to transfer $$ to me because my PayPal account won't reject money. I won't let it. I don't think it can? Who knows. But I would be surprised if it ever did.

But if you don't wanna and if you think it's okay to bind the mouth of the kine who treads the grain? Then pretend that I didn't say this. But know that it was written in the Law of Moses, " "Never muzzle an ox when it is threshing grain. ..."

Ignore at your peril. This too is said in jest, but then you already know this too. The red-letter law quarrels are worthless, don't ask for my donation. I'll muzzly your moutheths, if I could, that is. I can't so no worries on my account.

 

[Edward]

I don't know why brothers and sisters debate so much about the law and faith and if it is fulfilled or are we subject to it and so forth. I always figured that, Jesus did fulfill the law, so we are not under the law, but at the same time, we're now born again and one with Christ...so at this point we would naturally keep the Law for ourselves. That bit about not being under the law is sort of administration thing for the Holy Spirit (?) to perhaps lead us down a certain path for Gods purposes and that alone. It doesn't mean that we toss out the law and not regard it at all on the Jesus fulfilled it loophole, lol.

Here's your scripture Brothers and Sisters:

Romans 3:31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law./

;)

 

[JLB]

So, you're saying your obedient 'love your neighbor as yourself' is not your obedient faith, you who time and time again equate 'faith' and 'obedience'? This will be a shocking change of doctrine for you, but whatever.

What I'm saying, is just exactly what I said, the scripture you posted,Romans 13:8-10 NASB, does not mention faith in Christ.

The word faith is not mentioned and the word Christ is not mentioned, in Romans 13:8-10

"(L)ove one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. "
(Romans 13:8-10 NASB)

You don't seem to know what you are talking about or teaching. I guess all your accusing of others here, has come full circle.

The scripture that comes to mind about your situation is: ...desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. 1 Timothy 1:7


JLB