Same Sex Relationships

[Imagican]

We have been pre=warned that there WOULD come a time when women would take on the persona of men and men would begin to BEHAVE as women. Note the key word; WARNED. And the REASON would be for a LACK of Godliness and an increase in 'living FOR the World'.

I already made an effort to point out that there are sins of the flesh and sins that ARE able to destroy the SOUL. As there ARE commandments that ARE MORE important than others, so TOO is there some sin that is GREATER than other. Sins against oneself could not even come close to the destructive power of those committed against others or God Himself.

Homosexuality, by ALL indication from The Word, is sin that comes about by a 'turning AWAY' from God. If this IS TRUTH, then an homosexual MUST come to repentance to be forgiven for this sin or it WILL destroy the possibility of a relationship with God through Christ.

I know that these words are NOT condusive to 'the world' in which we live. But we were also told that to follow Christ WOULD make us ENEMIES of 'this world'. So is there ANY surprise that with the RISE of homosexuality the populace IN GENERAL has taken on a much more accepting attitude? That doesn't CHANGE the TRUTH in the least. It only goes to show that the prophetic words of the Bible, are indeed, TRUE prophecy.

I do NOT hate homosexuals. I am NOT a 'homophobe'. But I certainly recognize the inherent danger of such behavior. I am NOT afraid of nuclear power either. But I am certainly aware of the inherent dangers existent in it's creation and use and TRULLY believe that we, as a people, would have been better off without it. The difference? One HAS been able to produce SOMETHING of significance other than decadence and PERSONAL PLEASURE.

And for those that would argue that 'some are born homosexual'....................Maybe, for the Bible speaks of children PAYING for the sins of their parents. I don't KNOW that this has ANY bearing on 'being BORN Gay', but IF there is a 'genetic predisposition' of some to BE homosexual, this may indeed be at least PART of the explanation.

But I personally believe that 'being Gay' IS a PERSONAL choice. That even IF one were to be drawn towards members of the same sex, this desire COULD be eliminated by a strong relationship with God through His Son. That IF one were to entertain God instead of demons, then they would be able to OVERCOME their temptations.

MEC

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Ok, this is getting tiring at this point.

There is still no scriptural evidence that has been shown that in they eyes of God, a glutton is any different than a homosexual. Therefore, unless you can provide scriptural evidence instead of your personal beliefs, your basis is not built in the bible. Therefore you are acting on a false teaching. Isn't that heresy? To try and portray God for him instead of through the Bible?

All I have seen is YOUR personal reasons why you regard the sin of homosexuality to be more preverse (in regards to the bible) than stuffing your face with fried chicken and mashed potatoes.

So, biblically, you should regard those in your church who are known to be gluttons the same as you would treat those in your church who would be homosexual. If the homosexual cannot be saved, than the glutton is lost as well. I see no proof otherwise (besides rants of personal beliefs).

 

[unred typo]

quote by VaultZero4Me :
Unred typo wrote: “My point? You were the one that made the statement that upon rereading Romans you conceded that it addressed homosexuality as sin. I merely wanted to correct your view to the actual truth expressed there.â€Â


Please reread from my orginial post. I NEVER made the statement that homosexuality was not a sin in the Bible. I in fact stated it was a sin in the bible. What is this concession you speak of? Please read before you post. You are arguing in circles.

I’m not arguing in circles. Please reread my original post. I merely tried to explain that in Romans, it is a punishment for the sin of dishonoring God, a humiliating consequence for making an idol or worshipping the creature more than the creator, and it is not portrayed there as a sin. Your statement that I took as a concession was: “I read it again. I am seeing where it establishes homosexuality as a sin.†My point was that Romans does not do that. It says there that homosexuality is a consequence of dishonoring God. Take it up with Paul.

quote by VaultZero4Me :
Unred typo wrote: “I won’t edit my post but I will add clarification to my position here. There has been an increase of open homosexuality in this country of America. I can’t speak of other nations where I have no experience. The Greeks were another example of what I’m saying, from the little I know of the Greeks. In fact, they were probably some of those that Paul was referring to in his discourse to the Roman believers. If you want to deny this, feel free to do so. Matters little to me.â€Â


Deny this? That is exactly what I said. You stated it was due to evolution. I said your wrong, then proved it. You are arguing with yourself again.

Yes, he was referring to the practice of homosexuality that was prevelant in that era. In fact, the Christian church closed down the bath houses eventually. What is your point?

Where did you prove that homosexuality was not a consequence of dishonoring God because man was honoring the creature more than the creator? I didn’t say it was a consequence of believing in evolution, anyways. In Greek culture, they did not honor God but instead honored the creature (the human body). In atheistic versions of evolution, the creature is honored as being the master of it’s own evolution and God is eliminated or dishonored as irrelevant. If you want to agree, feel free to do so. Matters little to me. :-D

quote by VaultZero4Me :
Unred typo wrote: “I believe the disrespect of God is the reason for the increase of self humiliating behaviors, of all types, btw. They laugh at God. He makes a derision of them. If you normalize homosexuality, he may add insult to injury and give God-haters a humiliating disease where they have uncontrollable bouts of explosive diarrhea, for instance. Oh wait, that would be AIDS. (Now please don’t misrepresent me as saying that all AIDS victims are God-haters. That would be as asinine as saying that all people who have diseases are being punished. ) There is enough evidence in the Bible to substantiate what I’m saying though, if you would like to explore these instances. I doubt you do, from the tenor of your response to me so far.â€Â


Again you argue with yourself. I never made the point that it was ok in the Biblel. Seriously, does not anyone understand that I want someone to provide scriptural support as to why it should be condemned biblically more than gluttony??

BTW, please do not portray God as the creator of AIDS to punish homosexuals. That is intellectually bankrupt as well. I thought that kind of thinking went out with the 80’s. Guess not.

Not in my book, the Bible. You may be referring to public opinion, or perhaps political correctness, which has little to do with what is true or right. Would you like to explore some biblical instances where God used diseases to punish? I’m not in the public spotlight so I have no need to keep the PC hate mongers at bay. Fire away.

quote by VaultZero4Me :
Unred typo wrote: “As for your call to give scriptural grounds to support treating a glutton differently than a homosexual within the Christian NT, I don’t think there is any. They should be treated with love and given support to find victory over this self destructive behavior.â€Â

That was all that you needed to say. I am unsure of the necessity of the rest of your posting. This is the only paragraph that actually attempted to answer my original and only question. Thanks.

I think I have explained my reasoning. I’m glad you’re happy that you have extracted the words you wanted to support your stand, but I think I know your motive in this is not to promote Christian godliness in all areas of their lives, but to drag the rest of their behavior down to a lower level of accepting more sin as normal.

quote by VaultZero4Me :
If you believe that, than you should be condemning those in the Christian community who make it their life work to attack the homosexual community. They are perverting the bible to serve their selfish need for bigotry. They are the threat to your faith. Otherwise, they would be condemning the rest of what is considered sin in the bible the same way. It is a one sided thing.

I do believe that, and I don’t generally single out homosexuality as a sin above all others, unless it is being actively promoted as normal behavior that should be accepted. It shouldn’t be accepted any more than we should accept eating dog poo, killing our unborn children, public nose picking, gluttonous overeating, or other disgusting and harmful behaviors. Does that mean that one behavior is of the same grossness level as another? No, some things are so odious to God that he punishes them with diseases and even death.

 

[Imagican]

Unred,

I believe that you have made a valiant effort to explain the detriments of homosexuality. There WILL always be those that refuse to accept sound argument. For those that have 'bought into' this: 'homosexuality is OK' thing it is ALMOST impossible to 'show them' anything other than what they 'want' to see.

Suffice is to say that we have The Word which speaks of this particular behavior as being 'abomination' to God. And NO amount of word wrangling is able to CHANGE this FACT. Either we accept The Word or we don't. The 'world' is unable to understand it for it was NOT written 'to' the world, but to those that truly seek the wisdom and understanding of God. We KNOW that woman was made FOR man and that, just as our buddy has pointed out, animals DO participate in homosexaul behavior. So, perhaps for some of them it IS natural. Won't deny it in the least. But 'common sense' will dictate that there can be NO future for a homosexual society. Not only are they unable to procreate with one another, but eventually God will tire of such folly and put an end to it himself.

MEC

 

[unred typo]

Unred,

I believe that you have made a valiant effort to explain the detriments of homosexuality. There WILL always be those that refuse to accept sound argument. For those that have 'bought into' this: 'homosexuality is OK' thing it is ALMOST impossible to 'show them' anything other than what they 'want' to see.

Suffice is to say that we have The Word which speaks of this particular behavior as being 'abomination' to God. And NO amount of word wrangling is able to CHANGE this FACT. Either we accept The Word or we don't. The 'world' is unable to understand it for it was NOT written 'to' the world, but to those that truly seek the wisdom and understanding of God. We KNOW that woman was made FOR man and that, just as our buddy has pointed out, animals DO participate in homosexaul behavior. So, perhaps for some of them it IS natural. Won't deny it in the least. But 'common sense' will dictate that there can be NO future for a homosexual society. Not only are they unable to procreate with one another, but eventually God will tire of such folly and put an end to it himself.

MEC

Yes, I see what you mean. When there is no distinction made between animals and man, there will be this fuzzy line about what is acceptable and normal and natural. When we realize that man was created in God’s image and that we are called to a higher standard than the animal world, things begin to take another hue. The animal kingdom was made ‘subject to vanity’ (Romans 8 ) because of man’s sin, and put on this ‘survival of the fittest’ merry-go-round to insure that there would be an animal kingdom that could compete in this decaying, death-ruled universe.

In order to be accepted in God’s kingdom, we must follow the commands of Christ and put to death our sinful flesh and it’s evil, self-centered desires. The flesh of man is subject to the same desires and cravings that drives the animal world, but we are freed from it and the consequences of it, by the power that the Holy Spirit gives when we choose to follow Christ and his teachings of love and mercy and faith and truth.

And thanks for your thoughtful comments.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Unred,

I believe that you have made a valiant effort to explain the detriments of homosexuality. There WILL always be those that refuse to accept sound argument. For those that have 'bought into' this: 'homosexuality is OK' thing it is ALMOST impossible to 'show them' anything other than what they 'want' to see.

Suffice is to say that we have The Word which speaks of this particular behavior as being 'abomination' to God. And NO amount of word wrangling is able to CHANGE this FACT. Either we accept The Word or we don't. The 'world' is unable to understand it for it was NOT written 'to' the world, but to those that truly seek the wisdom and understanding of God. We KNOW that woman was made FOR man and that, just as our buddy has pointed out, animals DO participate in homosexaul behavior. So, perhaps for some of them it IS natural. Won't deny it in the least. But 'common sense' will dictate that there can be NO future for a homosexual society. Not only are they unable to procreate with one another, but eventually God will tire of such folly and put an end to it himself.

MEC

Again, another straw man attempt. How many is this now? I NEVER SAID HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY WAS OK IN THE BIBLE. I only asked what is the support in the bible to treat it differently than gluttony. Go ahead, pretend that you have argued that point. Doesn't make it true.

Go ahead, position my argument to say that I call homosexual activity ok in the bible. Never did. This is over the 5th attempt to portray it that way. It is the only way you think you can defeat my sound argument.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

As for the HIV comment on it being God's judgement.

That is intellectually bankrupt and dangerous mentality to have within the Christian faith in my own opinion.

The HIV virus has been in the animal kingdom for a very long time. It wasnt until the middle of this century that it entered into the human population via the "Cut Hunter" theory. The first man to contract it was likely hunting and came upon a monkey that had a virus that had mutated in such a way to allow a human infection. Did God let the animal kingdom suffer from AIDS in order to make it a curse? Does that seem fair?

There is more infection prevelant in % wise in the hetero population. The majority of cases came from blood transfusions. I had a childhood friend whos parents were christians and my friend received it when he had a blood transfusion at birth in 1978. Is it fair to say he was a casuality of God's wrath?

No it isn't. That is attributing something to God that you do not know for sure, and the implications of the attribution is damaging to the Christian faith. I can't believe that such a belief is tolerated within the community.

 

[unred typo]

As for the HIV comment on it being God's judgement.

That is intellectually bankrupt and dangerous mentality to have within the Christian faith in my own opinion.

The HIV virus has been in the animal kingdom for a very long time. It wasnt until the middle of this century that it entered into the human population via the "Cut Hunter" theory. The first man to contract it was likely hunting and came upon a monkey that had a virus that had mutated in such a way to allow a human infection. Did God let the animal kingdom suffer from AIDS in order to make it a curse? Does that seem fair?

There is more infection prevelant in % wise in the hetero population. The majority of cases came from blood transfusions. I had a childhood friend whos parents were christians and my friend received it when he had a blood transfusion at birth in 1978. Is it fair to say he was a casuality of God's wrath?

No it isn't. That is attributing something to God that you do not know for sure, and the implications of the attribution is damaging to the Christian faith. I can't believe that such a belief is tolerated within the community.

Please read my quote in context, noting the bolded section:
I believe the disrespect of God is the reason for the increase of self humiliating behaviors, of all types, btw. They laugh at God. He makes a derision of them. If you normalize homosexuality, he may add insult to injury and give God-haters a humiliating disease where they have uncontrollable bouts of explosive diarrhea, for instance. Oh wait, that would be AIDS. (Now please don’t misrepresent me as saying that all AIDS victims are God-haters. That would be as asinine as saying that all people who have diseases are being punished. ) There is enough evidence in the Bible to substantiate what I’m saying though, if you would like to explore these instances. I doubt you do, from the tenor of your response to me so far.

 

[VaultZero4Me]

So, the consequence of gluttony is heart disease, diabetes, stroke, joint problems, back problems, some instances a higher risk to cancer, loss of limbs due to diabetes, black skin from diabetes, etc. (i could fill up this page with the health problems).

Looks like there is more evidence that God judges gluttony more harshly based on your statement. So, gluttons are more of God-haters than homosexuals?

Again none of this is biblical, nor have I seen any evidence to support your position that God sees homosexuality and gluttony any different.

 

[unred typo]

quote by VaultZero4Me :
So, the consequence of gluttony is heart disease, diabetes, stroke, joint problems, back problems, some instances a higher risk to cancer, loss of limbs due to diabetes, black skin from diabetes, etc. (i could fill up this page with the health problems).

Looks like there is more evidence that God judges gluttony more harshly based on your statement. So, gluttons are more of God-haters than homosexuals?

Could be. I’m not saying that all diseases are punishments, as I tried to show you. I would think he judges gluttony more harshly if the gluttonous person spends more on rich foods than their giving for the poor and starving of the world. I’m sure that he will make the punishment fit the crime. The idea of most punishment is to teach us the lessons we need to learn in order to gain eternal life. Whom the Lord loves, he chastises.

quote by VaultZero4Me :
Again none of this is biblical, nor have I seen any evidence to support your position that God sees homosexuality and gluttony any different.

Biblical? How about Eve’s increased pain in childbirth for starters? And we’re not hardly into Genesis yet. There’s many more instances between there and Acts 12:23 where we read:

And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Do you really want to pursue this line of argument? I was going to take some time off this board for good behavior but apparently, I haven’t been that good. So since I’m still on the naughty list, I am willing to back up my claims with as many scriptures as you need to see. :-D Merry Christmas!

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Biblical? How about Eve’s increased pain in childbirth for starters? And we’re not hardly into Genesis yet. There’s many more instances between there and Acts 12:23 where we read:

And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Seriously are you just throwing random verses out there as evidence :wink:

What part of this is singling out homosexuals over other idolotry such as gluttony?

 

[GraceBwithU]

Ok, this is getting tiring at this point.

There is still no scriptural evidence that has been shown that in they eyes of God, a glutton is any different than a homosexual. Therefore, unless you can provide scriptural evidence instead of your personal beliefs, your basis is not built in the bible. Therefore you are acting on a false teaching. Isn't that heresy? To try and portray God for him instead of through the Bible?

All I have seen is YOUR personal reasons why you regard the sin of homosexuality to be more preverse (in regards to the bible) than stuffing your face with fried chicken and mashed potatoes.

So, biblically, you should regard those in your church who are known to be gluttons the same as you would treat those in your church who would be homosexual. If the homosexual cannot be saved, than the glutton is lost as well. I see no proof otherwise (besides rants of personal beliefs).

Homosexuality is more than a sin; it is a social mental disease. The pickets against homosexuality are a reaction to their movement. Homosexuality attacks the very moral fibre of society. They teach a false religion. They say they believe in God, but the god they believe in is false. They have therefore put another god before the true God. This is blasphemy and heresy.

Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

Homosexuals have turned their backs on God; therefore, breaking what Jesus has said is the “first and greatest commandment.â€Â


:D

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Gluttony is more than a sin; it is a social mental disease. Gluttony attacks the very moral fibre of society. They destroy the temple of the God with food that is unhealthy, and in unhealthy amounts. They say they believe in God, but the god they believe in is false, food. They have therefore put another god before the true God. This is blasphemy and heresy.

Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

Gluttons have turned their backs on God; therefore, breaking what Jesus has said is the “first and greatest commandment.â€Â

Ok, so we are even

 

[Drew]

I have not bothered to perform an explicit search re what the Scriptures say in respect to homosexual activity and to gluttony. My overall sense, informed hopefully by the entirety of the scriptures, is that neither of these 2 is "worse" than the other. It so happens that N. American evangelicalism, at the present time anyway, takes a strong stand on the issue of homosexual behaviour, while absolutely embracing gluttony.

This is just one of the curious contradictions of our Christian culture. Another is how creationists reject "Darwinian" evolution in respect to origins, yet seem to embrace "survival of the fittest" when it comes to social programs, often embracing unbridled capitalism or arguing against such things as universal health care. And don't even get me started on Christians and "gun culture". Now that I have ticked you all off, I will finish up.

I do agree with unred in respect to matters of root cause. I think a strong case can be made that, for both homosexual behaviour and gluttony, the fundamental problem is that we have ceased to worship the creator and are instead worshipping the creation.

As NT Wright says (are you getting sick of him yet?), we are meant to act like mirrors which "point upward" to God and reflect his image laterally into the world. The problem is that we point our "mirrors" at each other, or at things like food, and cease to be gateways through which the image of God is projected into the world.

 

[GraceBwithU]

Gluttony is more than a sin; it is a social mental disease. Gluttony attacks the very moral fibre of society. They destroy the temple of the God with food that is unhealthy, and in unhealthy amounts. They say they believe in God, but the god they believe in is false, food. They have therefore put another god before the true God. This is blasphemy and heresy.

Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

Gluttons have turned their backs on God; therefore, breaking what Jesus has said is the “first and greatest commandment.â€Â

Ok, so we are even

LOL you're funny...lol :-D :-D :-D :-D

I hope you are not saying if Christians don’t picket McDonalds that they should not picket against homosexuality. Maybe instead of doing that you should organize a protest against gluttony. I’m sure you could get some one to agree with you to picket. Then maybe you would be even with whoever you feel you need to get even with.

I have a cousin that did live in Key West, Florida. They moved mainly because there son was being approached in the restrooms at school and in public by homosexuals. This is probably why they scare some people.

Please be serious. :D

 

[VaultZero4Me]

They moved mainly because there son was being approached in the restrooms at school and in public by homosexuals. This is probably why they scare some people.

Now thats funny. They are scared of homosexuals because of homosexual prostitutes. Funny how that doesn't make them scared of heterosexuals because of hetero prostitues. Ever been approached by a hetero prostitue? I would imagine he would have had to 8) But, that is how it works though. Generalizations are a key element in making a person afraid of a whole group.

I hope you are not saying if Christians don’t picket McDonalds that they should not picket against homosexuality. Maybe instead of doing that you should organize a protest against gluttony. I’m sure you could get some one to agree with you to picket. Then maybe you would be even with whoever you feel you need to get even with.

Now, what I am actually saying is that your so called support to differentiate homosexual sinners from gluttones sinners is not supportive. All I had to do is change the word homosexual to glutton. Sorry that missed you :o

 

[VaultZero4Me]

I have not bothered to perform an explicit search re what the Scriptures say in respect to homosexual activity and to gluttony. My overall sense, informed hopefully by the entirety of the scriptures, is that neither of these 2 is "worse" than the other. It so happens that N. American evangelicalism, at the present time anyway, takes a strong stand on the issue of homosexual behaviour, while absolutely embracing gluttony.

This is just one of the curious contradictions of our Christian culture. Another is how creationists reject "Darwinian" evolution in respect to origins, yet seem to embrace "survival of the fittest" when it comes to social programs, often embracing unbridled capitalism or arguing against such things as universal health care. And don't even get me started on Christians and "gun culture". Now that I have ticked you all off, I will finish up.

I do agree with unred in respect to matters of root cause. I think a strong case can be made that, for both homosexual behaviour and gluttony, the fundamental problem is that we have ceased to worship the creator and are instead worshipping the creation.

As NT Wright says (are you getting sick of him yet?), we are meant to act like mirrors which "point upward" to God and reflect his image laterally into the world. The problem is that we point our "mirrors" at each other, or at things like food, and cease to be gateways through which the image of God is projected into the world.

One of the most well rounded and balanced replies I have yet to read on this thread so far. I hope my saying that doesn't cause anyone to dismiss what you said :o

 

[Imagican]

Drew,

May I suggest to you too to read Romans. Or just the first chapter and see what you find on this subject. This IS the NT and the Words were written by Paul TO the Romans of THE TIME AFTER CHRIST had returned to the Father.

If you have any questions concerning the nature of the writtings PLEASE feel free to ask.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

Let me offer this: So far as sin is concerned; ALL have sinned. But one that follows truth must ALSO KNOW that there ARE different kinds of sin. There is that which pertains to SELF: Gluttony, smoking, drinking, drugs. There ARE people that have a problem with these things that allow them to have little if ANY negative effect on those around them. These are sins that have NO victim EXCEPT the one performing them. Then there are sins that are DONE TO OTHERS. Hate, physical and mental abuse, stealing, cheating, baring false witness. These are sins that directly in opposition to what Christ came and offered example of. Then there ARE sins DIRECTLY against God Himself. All sin is rebelion to one extent or another but there ARE SINS that are directly AGAINST God Himself. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit being one.

Now, with these things in mind. Is it really so hard to understand that homosexuality goes AGAINST God Himself? For a man and a woman are to BECOME ONE in marriage. Sex is a SIN outside of marriage according to The Word. Now how do you think God looks upon a man and a man ATTEMPTING to become ONE through sex or marriage? The act itself is AGAINST NATURE. And being 'against nature' means directly in opposition to that which is NATRUALLY RIGHT. ANd I speak NOT of nature as if it is an entity. I speak of TRUE NATURE; that which WAS, in the beginning, provided to mankind in order to avoid that which is UNSEEMLY or detrimental to existence.

And let's see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, there is a story of two cities, Remember? The ONLY thing that we KNOW that made them COMPLETELY WICKED was that they practiced HOMOSEXUALITY. We don't have ANOTHER example of God doing this for ANY OTHER REASON, (picking out a group of people to destroy for a SPECIFIC kind of sin). I guess skeptics would point to the story of Noah. I personally believe that few even understand why God brought on the flood so I'll pass on this one for now. But we DO KNOW that Sodom and Gormorah WERE rife with homosexuality. The name Sodomy TODAY comes from Sodomites. And we have the story where these people were damanding that Lot send out his guests so that they could 'KNOW THEM'.

Now, WHY do you suppose that we have this story. There were MANY others that we COULD have been given, I'm sure, but we WERE given this one. WHY. EVERYONE MUST REALIZE that there IS significance to what we have been given IN THE WORD.

I offer NOTHING other than what is OBVIOUS through The Word. The society that we live in has become SO lax that political correctness has given way to TRUTH. Even the schools have begun to TEACH that homosexuality is OK. There are GAY churches out there. And the states are even now having to deal with the issue of 'same sex marriage'.

So it's NOT surprising that there ARE those that would BEND their knees to their OWN WILL rather than that of God. Nothing new, just new ways of doing it. As I stated previous; once one begins to water down The Word it is VERY EASY to begin to LOOSE that which is MOST IMPORTANT. And that being an UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH.

So, for those that believe homosexuality is OK; Do you BELIEVE that there will be homosexuality in Heaven? People will STILL most likely struggle with their OWN PERSONAL SINS, but do you BELIEVE that abomination will exist in Heaven? How about those that practice such behavior WITHOUT repentance?

MEC

 

[VaultZero4Me]

Drew,

May I suggest to you too to read Romans. Or just the first chapter and see what you find on this subject. This IS the NT and the Words were written by Paul TO the Romans of THE TIME AFTER CHRIST had returned to the Father.

If you have any questions concerning the nature of the writtings PLEASE feel free to ask.

MEC

I did read as I said before. It establishes that it is sin which I stated in my first post. No hierarchy. Please point out what you are seeing differently.