Saturday Or Sunday Church ?

[Jay T]

[quote="Jay T":78be4]

What is amazing is that God gave his Son Jesus Christ to be the rest unto which man shall abide to be saved, and some still want to be under the Law which cannot save.

And you still fail to understand what Romans 10:4 is saying..... Romans 10:4 "For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth".

Doesn't Romans 10:4 support Solo's position? I think it does. And the question still remains, HOW do you keep the Sabbath?

You "Saturday vs. Sunday" guys can't answer that, can you?[/quote:78be4]You really believe that God gives a commmand to keep the sabbath day Holy......and then does not reveal how to do just that ?

Try studying Isaiah 58:13,14.....Exodus 20:8-11....and combine all that, with what Jesus Christ did, on the sabbath.
He went to religious meetings on the sabbath.....He helped the sick, and poor people, on the sabbath...ect.

The Bible is still the guild book for Christians, whether they believe it or not.

 

[Jay T]

Thus, the decalogue passed away when the Old Testament was replaced by the New.

I'm going to refute that lie right now.....
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled".

 

[Solo]

Thus, the decalogue passed away when the Old Testament was replaced by the New.

I'm going to refute that lie right now.....
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled".

Jesus fulfilled the Law pardner, so that you or I did not have to. You and I can not fulfill the Law, only Jesus Christ could. The righteousness of God which is revealed in the Law was kept by the only one that could keep the Law, Jesus. You have never kept the Law, nor will you ever be able to keep the law. Paul did not ever keep the Law, nor did he after being born again. Read his book to the Romans. It is plain as day.

Only those who would claim their own righteousness apart from Jesus' righteousness are confused and probably under fed from the Word of God.

Jesus said that unless one's righteousness exceeded that of the scribes and pharisees one would not gain access into heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:22).

How does one exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees?

 

[Jay T]

I was just posting what I read. Tell me something when Jesus was on earth in body form, did not He hold to the 7th day Sabbath ? So aren't we to still do what Jesus did ? As far as the Christians coming together worship on a large weekly scale ?
Or are we to hold to the Lords Day, I am just asking. Because of the Catholics changing regular worship to Sunday, and that is what we still do today, arent we in the wrong ? Just asking, I am trying to learn something here.

The bottom line is this.......
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
The Bible tell us that God made the 7th day sabbath Holy, and He blessed it...apart from the other days of the week.

We are also told some anti-Christian power would try to change God's law, regarding time (Daniel 7:25.....'think to change times and laws').
The only law of God's... that deals with time ...is the 7th day sabbath.

And since the B ible also tells us that satan is at ...WAR...with God's commandments (Revelation 12:17)....it is not hard to figure out, that satan is behind the change, of the 7th day sabbath, to Sunday deal.

 

[Solo]

[quote="Lewis W":9a7ac]I was just posting what I read. Tell me something when Jesus was on earth in body form, did not He hold to the 7th day Sabbath ? So aren't we to still do what Jesus did ? As far as the Christians coming together worship on a large weekly scale ?
Or are we to hold to the Lords Day, I am just asking. Because of the Catholics changing regular worship to Sunday, and that is what we still do today, arent we in the wrong ? Just asking, I am trying to learn something here.

The bottom line is this.......
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
The Bible tell us that God made the 7th day sabbath Holy, and He blessed it...apart from the other days of the week.

We are also told some anti-Christian power would try to change God's law, regarding time (Daniel 7:25.....'think to change times and laws').
The only law of God's... that deals with time ...is the 7th day sabbath.

And since the B ible also tells us that satan is at ...WAR...with God's commandments (Revelation 12:17)....it is not hard to figure out, that satan is behind the change, of the 7th day sabbath, to Sunday deal.[/quote:9a7ac]

If I were you then, I would keep every day holy instead of just one day a week. Since we now have God living inside of us, I don't believe he expects any less of us. I don't think that the one day a week is a special day set apart for saved people today. I believe it was a sign to the Jews, as I believe that circumcision was a sign as well, as I believe that not drinking strong drink was a sign, as I believe keeping the feast days were a sign, as I believe loving your neighbor as yourself is a sign. The Laws given to Moses were given to the Israelites, while Jesus was given to the last age until his return. The Bible says that we are in the period of Grace and that their are no Jews or Gentiles in the Body of Christ. Only those that are called out. They are not all Seven Day Adventists, Baptists, Church of Christ, etc. members. They are all born again, born of God members of the body of Christ Jesus.

No where in the New Testament are believers commanded to keep the Sabbath after Pentecost.

 

[wavy]

You've done your homework, Lewis. Good post ...thanks!

Not to discredit Lewis but I believe I can point out exactly where he got that from.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Doesn't Romans 10:4 support Solo's position? I think it does.

Romans 10:4 - "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."

That doesn't mean that this is the end of the line for the law. It means that Christ is the fulfillment of the law in the sense that He brought it to completion by obeying perfectly its demands. Everyone who believes will, as a consequence, fulfill what the law demands. Being righteous means just that - living in accordance to the will of God. Does God's Law bother you, kwag? If so, why?

And the question still remains, HOW do you keep the Sabbath?

You "Saturday vs. Sunday" guys can't answer that, can you?

We "Saturday vs. Sunday" guys have answered that question on other threads a number of times previously in great detail. Why on earth would you think that it's a question we can't answer?

One keeps the Sabbath according to their own inner dictates. There are no 'book of rules' on 'how one must keep the Sabbath'. Hopefully, it will be kept in a manner befitting the text found in Isaiah 58:13-14. If it isn't 'a delight' then one needs to re-evaluate their keeping of it. Jay T gave a few examples of how the Sabbath would be kept. And, keeping the Sabbath in a 'legalistic' manner is totally missing the point.

 

[wavy]

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

If you need me to elaborate, please ask. Where you are wrong at from the little bit I have read, is concerning Daniel 7:25. "Times" cannot only refer to the shabbat. It must deal with all the rest of the moadim or appointed times also (a.k.a. the feasts days). The "laws" are the "torot" in Hebrew (this end-time anti-Christ along with his followers think Torah laws were changed; please no one take me to Hebrews 7...)

 

[wavy]

Doesn't Romans 10:4 support Solo's position? I think it does.

Romans 10:4 - "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes."

Sputnik, is right, imo. The Greek word for "end" is telos, and it means "goal" or "purpose". Messiah is the purpose of the Torah. The end result (because we need his atonement for breaking it).

One keeps the Sabbath according to their own inner dictates. There are no 'book of rules' on 'how one must keep the Sabbath'. Hopefully, it will be kept in a manner befitting the text found in Isaiah 58:13-14. If it isn't 'a delight' then one needs to re-evaluate their keeping of it. Jay T gave a few examples of how the Sabbath would be kept. And, keeping the Sabbath in a 'legalistic' manner is totally missing the point.

He/she asked a silly question, imo, Sputnik. But it is simple. We rest on it. Refrain from laborous activity to sustain our livelihood. Cease from labor (occupation to make money) and whatever other work sustains our livelihood. We let Yahweh deal with taking care of us when we rest on the sabbath. And yes, Isaiah 58 is an excellent passage to read.

 

[SputnikBoy]

You've done your homework, Lewis. Good post ...thanks!

Not to discredit Lewis but I believe I can point out exactly where he got that from.

I believe I can too. But Lewis was the one to seek it out, cut and paste, and present it here. So, he did his homework. I'll be waiting patiently to see whether or not anyone responds to and/or refutes these RCC claims! They (the RCC claims) DO make mainstream Christianity look pretty silly, especially since the mainstreams generally take such a hard line against the RCC.

 

[Solo]

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

If you need me to elaborate, please ask. Where you are wrong at from the little bit I have read, is concerning Daniel 7:25. "Times" cannot only refer to the shabbat. It must deal with all the rest of the moadim or appointed times also (a.k.a. the feasts days). The "laws" are the "torot" in Hebrew (this end-time anti-Christ along with his followers think Torah laws were changed; please no one take me to Hebrews 7...)

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy. He would rather you see it as an excuse to keep you in bondage to a legalistic mode of understanding so that the liberty of Jesus Christ isn't lived in your life. Many judaizers have been used by the enemy to confuse and deride the truth. Also, Jesus is the ONLY ONE that has fulfilled the Law, and it is because of his work on the cross that satan was defeated. It is in him that we are to abide, and not some misconstrued concept of living right in this world. Jesus lived perfectly, and we are to emulate him, not moses, not wavy, not solo, but Jesus Christ.

 

[wavy]

I believe I can too. But Lewis was the one to seek it out, cut and paste, and present it here. So, he did his homework. I'll be waiting patiently to see whether or not anyone responds to and/or refutes these RCC claims! They (the RCC claims) DO make mainstream Christianity look pretty silly, especially since the mainstreams generally take such a hard line against the RCC.

Which RCC claims are you referring to?

 

[wavy]

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy.

Strawman. Never said anything about not keeping every day holy. You keep repeating that nonsense after I have refuted it several times. Living every day holy has NOTHING to do with whether or not you keep the seventh day sabbath.

He would rather you see it as an excuse to keep you in bondage to a legalistic mode of understanding so that the liberty of Jesus Christ isn't lived in your life.

Yeah, sure, Jay. Yahweh gave us his Torah for our good, as he stated himself, and now because "Jesus" came, he somehow changed his standard and absolutely detests his own Torah.

Also, Jesus is the ONLY ONE that has fulfilled the Law, and it is because of his work on the cross that satan was defeated.

We are called to fulfill it too. By loving our brother and Yahweh.

It is in him that we are to abide, and not some misconstrued concept of living right in this world.

Hear that, Jay? We are not supposed to live right in this world. Look at all this scriptural proof he has for this claims...

Jesus lived perfectly, and we are to emulate him, not moses, not wavy, not solo, but Jesus Christ.

So now we walk as Messiah (who kept Torah) walked but not keep Torah? Contradiction. No we are not to try to walk like anyone else other than Yahshua HaMoshiach.

 

[Solo]

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy.

Strawman. Never said anything about not keeping every day holy. You keep repeating that nonsense after I have refuted it several times. Living every day holy has NOTHING to do with whether or not you keep the seventh day sabbath.

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy. I wonder why someone would try to refute that we should be about the business of God and doing his work, instead of being about our work and our business. Sounds like a cultic practice not to believe that. Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I believe I can too. But Lewis was the one to seek it out, cut and paste, and present it here. So, he did his homework. I'll be waiting patiently to see whether or not anyone responds to and/or refutes these RCC claims! They (the RCC claims) DO make mainstream Christianity look pretty silly, especially since the mainstreams generally take such a hard line against the RCC.

Which RCC claims are you referring to?

The claim the RCC makes that IT is responsible for having made a holy day out of Sunday and the additional claim that they (the RCC) influenced all of mainstream Christianity by their (mainstream Christianity) having followed the RCC lead.

 

[kwag_myers]

Try studying Isaiah 58:13,14.....Exodus 20:8-11....and combine all that, with what Jesus Christ did, on the sabbath.
He went to religious meetings on the sabbath.....He helped the sick, and poor people, on the sabbath...ect.

The Bible is still the guild book for Christians, whether they believe it or not.

First, Jesus didn't "help" the sick, He healed them. All who came to Him were healed (Matthew 8:16). Are all who are sick being healed today? No. Yet, we insist on continuing the same ol'thing, week after week, when we should be seeking a new revelation of the Sabbath.

And just what did He do for the poor other than giving them hope in Him (Matthew 11:5)? Didn't He tell us that we would always have the poor, but to focus our attention on Him (Matthew 26:11)?

You haven't explained how we rest. Remember, the Sabbath is a day of rest (Exodus 31:15).

That doesn't mean that this is the end of the line for the law. It means that Christ is the fulfillment of the law in the sense that He brought it to completion by obeying perfectly its demands. Everyone who believes will, as a consequence, fulfill what the law demands.

I agree with most of the rest of this except the last sentence. I believe that we rest in the fact that Jesus has fulfilled the law on our behalf. Do we need to offer ourselves physically as a sacrifice? Isn't that what Jesus did? Sure He did, but He did it so that we can be free from that. Likewise, we are free from the physical law of keeping the Sabbath, yet bound to the spiritual law of resting in His finished work.

The Old Testament is very clear on the Sabbath. And Hebrews states equally as clear that the Old Testament law is a physical representation of spiritual reality. Specifically, Hebrews 8:5 and 10:1. Yet you choose to remain under the Old Testament law of self works, or dead works, instead of resting in His work.

Being righteous means just that - living in accordance to the will of God. Does God's Law bother you, kwag? If so, why?

Wrong! We are made righteous through Christ. It's not something we do, but what He has done (Galations 2:21). Once again, resting in the finished work of Jesus (notice a theme here?).

It's not God's Law that bothers me, but those who, like the pharisees of old, try to use the law to put heavy burdens of "you must obey..." on God's people. Are you bothered by the freedom that I have in Christ ? If so, why? (1 Timothy 1:9)

We "Saturday vs. Sunday" guys have answered that question on other threads a number of times previously in great detail. Why on earth would you think that it's a question we can't answer?

Because you say you have, yet you offer no evidence. Give me a link to these many threads of wisdom.

One keeps the Sabbath according to their own inner dictates.

Wrong again. That's soul power. We keep the Sabbath according to what the Holy Spirit teaches us. Your "own inner dictates" is anti-Holy Spirit. This is why you cannot see the difference of the physical rest and the spiritual rest. You've rejected the Holy Spirit's input of the truth and depend on your own intellect. How many are brought to Jesus as a result of your "own inner dictates"? Are they comming in masses as they did with Jesus? Judge by the fruit, or as Dr. Phil would say, "How's that workin' for ya?".

I'd like to say that I see the same results as Jesus did, but I've only seen a glimps. I've been witness to many miracles, but I know that I still need some greater understanding in how to rest in Jesus. However, before I understood the difference between physical rest and spiritual rest, I saw no profit in the Sabbath that I thought I was keeping. So unless you can tell me of great miracles of healing, etc. each and every "seventh day", I suggest that you examine the fruit of what you say.

 

[wavy]

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

I have no clue what you are talking about. I am going to ignore you unless you have something to bring to the table other than insults like "you poor soul" and repeated, unscriptural claims.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy.

By resting on it. You don't rest everyday. Some days you have to work, and Yahweh has given us six days to work and a rest day on the sabbath to keep as a commandment. That's the difference. So yes we do keep everyday holy. Yahweh said, "be kidushim (holy ones/saints) for I Yahweh your God is kadosh/holy". He didn't mean that only on the sabbath. He meant all the time. It's just that on the sabbath we rest. Doesn't mean we don't conduct ourselves holy on every other day. Why do you not get this?

Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

I'm going to ignore this.

 

[Solo]

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

I have no clue what you are talking about. I am going to ignore you unless you have something to bring to the table other than insults like "you poor soul" and repeated, unscriptural claims.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy.

By resting on it. You don't rest everyday. Some days you have to work, and Yahweh has given us six days to work and a rest day on the sabbath to keep as a commandment. That's the difference. So yes we do keep everyday holy. Yahweh said, "be kidushim (holy ones/saints) for I Yahweh your God is kadosh/holy". He didn't mean that only on the sabbath. He meant all the time. It's just that on the sabbath we rest. Doesn't mean we don't conduct ourselves holy on every other day. Why do you not get this?

Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

I'm going to ignore this.

wavy,
Let me help your memory. Here is the post that I asked whether you lie to everybody or not.

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy.

Strawman. Never said anything about not keeping every day holy. You keep repeating that nonsense after I have refuted it several times. Living every day holy has NOTHING to do with whether or not you keep the seventh day sabbath.

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy. I wonder why someone would try to refute that we should be about the business of God and doing his work, instead of being about our work and our business. Sounds like a cultic practice not to believe that. Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

You told Jay T not to listen to the "fulfill the law" falsehood which it is not a falsehood,

and you said that keeping every day holy was an excuse, as if a believer is not to keep every day holy, including the sabbath day.

Hebrews 4 tells us that entering into the rest is ceasing from all of our works, and it doesn't say just one day a week. It is referring to ceasing from all of our works and instead being about doing God's works through the Holy Spirit that dwells within each believer.

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Hebrews 4:7-10

What you are failing to understand is the difference between walking in the Spirit and walking in the Flesh. You can work at your job and still cease from your own works and instead be about God's works. Does that not make any sense? If not then you are in need of a visit to God's feet to ask him for all false beliefs to be washed away and replace by truth. Examine yourself to see whether you have been born of God first, and then begin at each of the Biblical doctrines in prayer to God almighty.
God bless.

 

[wavy]

wavy,
Let me help your memory. Here is the post that I asked whether you lie to everybody or not.

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy.

Strawman. Never said anything about not keeping every day holy. You keep repeating that nonsense after I have refuted it several times. Living every day holy has NOTHING to do with whether or not you keep the seventh day sabbath.

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy. I wonder why someone would try to refute that we should be about the business of God and doing his work, instead of being about our work and our business. Sounds like a cultic practice not to believe that. Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

You told Jay T not to listen to the "fulfill the law" falsehood which it is not a falsehood,

and you said that keeping every day holy was an excuse, as if a believer is not to keep every day holy, including the sabbath day.

You didn't get it. I was not telling him not to keep everday holy. You twisted what I said. I said not to listen to that EXCUSE (the excuse that since everyday you are supposed to be holy, then that means we don't have to keep the sabbath).

But yes, your "fulfill the law" excuse is a falsehood that you keep repeating without backing it up.

Hebrews 4 tells us that entering into the rest is ceasing from all of our works, and it doesn't say just one day a week. It is referring to ceasing from all of our works and instead being about doing God's works through the Holy Spirit that dwells within each believer.

WRONG! Hebrews 4 is talking about the FUTURE and uses the sabbath as a type and shadow of that coming rest, but IT DOES NOT TELL US TO REFRAIN FROM KEEPING THE SABBATH. You have superimposed that into the text. It actually says there remains a sabbath-keeping (Strong's #4520) for us (Hebrews 4:9). Too many people use this text to disprove sabbath keeping but THE TEXT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD KEEP THE LITERAL SABBATH DAY.

What you are failing to understand is the difference between walking in the Spirit and walking in the Flesh.

What you fail to understand is walking in the Spirit does not do away with Torah. Please read Ezekiel 36:27. Also, walking in the flesh is not keeping Torah. Walking in the flesh is breaking it. You are ASSUMING that keeping Torah is fleshly because that's Christian dogma that you've been taught. The bible says no such thing.

You can work at your job and still cease from your own works and instead be about God's works. Does that not make any sense?

Yes, it does make sense. That is not a newsflash to me, however. This was always and always will be true.

What you don't get is that you just because you are SUPPOSED to walk holy everyday, doesn't mean don't keep the sabbath. Please read Isaiah 58.

If not then you are in need of a visit to God's feet to ask him for all false beliefs to be washed away and replace by truth. Examine yourself to see whether you have been born of God first, and then begin at each of the Biblical doctrines in prayer to God almighty.
God bless.

Propoganda for those unlearned who can easily be swayed by this nonsense you just said. Trying to portray me as the one who is lost. You have not answered any of my refutations. You are just nit-picking.


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Caps for emphasis, not anger...

 

[Solo]

wavy,
Let me help your memory. Here is the post that I asked whether you lie to everybody or not.

Yes, Jay T, satan would not want you to keep every day holy.

Strawman. Never said anything about not keeping every day holy. You keep repeating that nonsense after I have refuted it several times. Living every day holy has NOTHING to do with whether or not you keep the seventh day sabbath.

You surely do not lie to everyone, do you?

Jay, do not listen to that "fulfill the law" falsehood or the "keep every day holy" excuse.

I wonder how you stop keeping the Sabbath day holy when you keep every day holy. I wonder why someone would try to refute that we should be about the business of God and doing his work, instead of being about our work and our business. Sounds like a cultic practice not to believe that. Sounds like a Jewish wannabe instead of an imitator of Christ Jesus is in our midst.

You told Jay T not to listen to the "fulfill the law" falsehood which it is not a falsehood,

and you said that keeping every day holy was an excuse, as if a believer is not to keep every day holy, including the sabbath day.

You didn't get it. I was not telling him not to keep everday holy. You twisted what I said. I said not to listen to that EXCUSE (the excuse that since everyday you are supposed to be holy, then that means we don't have to keep the sabbath).

But yes, your "fulfill the law" excuse is a falsehood that you keep repeating without backing it up.

Hebrews 4 tells us that entering into the rest is ceasing from all of our works, and it doesn't say just one day a week. It is referring to ceasing from all of our works and instead being about doing God's works through the Holy Spirit that dwells within each believer.

WRONG! Hebrews 4 is talking about the FUTURE and uses the sabbath as a type and shadow of that coming rest, but IT DOES NOT TELL US TO REFRAIN FROM KEEPING THE SABBATH. You have superimposed that into the text. It actually says there remains a sabbath-keeping (Strong's #4520) for us (Hebrews 4:9). Too many people use this text to disprove sabbath keeping but THE TEXT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD KEEP THE LITERAL SABBATH DAY.

What you are failing to understand is the difference between walking in the Spirit and walking in the Flesh.

What you fail to understand is walking in the Spirit does not do away with Torah. Please read Ezekiel 36:27. Also, walking in the flesh is not keeping Torah. Walking in the flesh is breaking it. You are ASSUMING that keeping Torah is fleshly because that's Christian dogma that you've been taught. The bible says no such thing.

You can work at your job and still cease from your own works and instead be about God's works. Does that not make any sense?

Yes, it does make sense. That is not a newsflash to me, however. This was always and always will be true.

What you don't get is that you just because you are SUPPOSED to walk holy everyday, doesn't mean don't keep the sabbath. Please read Isaiah 58.

If not then you are in need of a visit to God's feet to ask him for all false beliefs to be washed away and replace by truth. Examine yourself to see whether you have been born of God first, and then begin at each of the Biblical doctrines in prayer to God almighty.
God bless.

Propoganda for those unlearned who can easily be swayed by this nonsense you just said. Trying to portray me as the one who is lost. You have not answered any of my refutations. You are just nit-picking.


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Caps for emphasis, not anger...

You have been unable to see the truth of the scriptures relayed to you, and I suspect by your attitude and continual ad hominem tactics that you have no ground to stand on other than that which you have fabricated. God has chosen the unlearned and nonsense of this world to confound the wise. God has chosen the abased and needy to call unto his righteousness, as the learned and knowing have been kept from him by their pride.

How is a person born again, wavy?
What is walking in the Spirit?
What is walking in the flesh?
How do you keep the Sabbath day different that you keep the other six?
How is a person converted from a lost condition to a life in Jesus Christ?
Is Jesus Christ God almighty, Father God?
Is being a Messianic Nazarene physical or spiritual?