jgredline said:
Here is some commentary by J VERNON McGEE
Question Can a woman be ordained as a pastor of a Christian church?
Answer While many denominations are ordaining women as pastors, it is not a biblical position. First Timothy 3, where the qualifications of elders and deacons are listed, is directed solely to men.
The apostle Paul has written, “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence†(1 Tim. 2:12).
1 Tim 2:
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness)
with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Notice the word "I". I makes this a personal opinion.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Saved in child bearing?
These verses have to do with the learning and teaching of doctrine. Keep in mind that women led in the mystery religions of Paul’s day which were sex orgies. Paul is cautioning women not to speak publicly with the idea of making an appeal on the basis of sex. Paul strictly forbade women to speak in tongues in the assembly. (See 1 Cor. 14:34.)
1 Cor 14:
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
This includes phrophetesses.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The mention of husbands is showing the authority of husband over the wife. No man, out of the marraige bond, has authority over a woman. Unless it is a relative such as father, mother, or brother.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
Tongues requires someone to interpet. If only one speaks it, and no one interpets, to what point was anything said when no one understood?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Not taking things out of context.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Here it is plainly said not to shut up tongues. So if tongues are not to be spoken through a woman, she will not speak it. But, if a woman does speak in tongues, and she is shut up. Then we would be stifling the message from the Holy Ghost.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
The apostle Paul speaks of the fact that there were some preaching Christ out of love, “knowing that I am set for the defense of the gospel†(Phil 1:17). Then he mentions the other group who were preaching the gospel, but they actually were using it to hit at the apostle Paul. And he says, “What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice†(Phil. 1:18).
He said that some were preaching Christ “of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds†(Phil. 1:16). And you would think that Paul would be dead set against them. Then he says that there’s another group preaching Christ out of love; he would, of course, be for them. But surprisingly he says that he is for both groups, because both preach Christ.
The important thing to Paul was that Christ be preached, no matter whether it was done in pretense or by true motives. It is tragic that at times Christ is preached in envy and strife. He is still presented in that way today, but we can always rejoice whenever Christ is preached.
I am a little rough on female preachers because I believe their office is unscriptural, but, as I have said on several occasions, some women are preaching Christ better than the average male preacher. What is my position? I rejoice and thank God that Christ is being preached.
The gift of being able to preach is not given to those who are out of the will of God.
There are many wonderful Bible classes today, and they are largely being run and taught by women. Many of them are in places where there is nothing in the world but liberal churches, and these classes have been a regular oasis.
I like to tell the story of Dr. Ironside who was walking through a park in Oakland, California, when a woman was preaching there. One of his Brethren friends said to him, “Isn’t it a shame that this woman is here preaching?†And Dr. Ironside said, “It’s a shame that there’s not some man to take her place.†Now, that’s the problem. Thank God, Christ is being preached. That’s the important thing. We can rejoice today whenever the Word of God is given out.
McGee, J. V.
If the knowledge to be able to preach the word of God were not a gift from God. Then anyone could do it. And do it as good as anyone else. How many times have you heard someone say: That was not my calling? God will make something hard for you to do, if He does not want you to do it. So if women were not supposed to preach. Then they would not be gifted in preaching and would make fools of themselves everytime they tried. Even by your own admission, you have said that some women can out preach a man. How do you think a woman recieves such a gift?
This is why that if I see fruit where I don't understand why it is there. That I trust God, for I know His fruit is controlled by Him only. And so is His wisdom. Gifts of the spirit are also controlled by God. And when a woman is able to project the gifts, and the fruit of God in ministry, who am I to question it?
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