Should women teach in the church?

[Jethro Bodine]

It has nothing to do with creation, but the fact that we are all equal in the sight of God.
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That's not what the passage says.

 

[Cooper]

That's not what the passage says.

The passage says, “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man.”
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[Jethro Bodine]

The passage says, “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man.”
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And...(finish the passage)...for what reason?

1 Timothy 2:13-14
13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression.

 

[Cooper]

And...(finish the passage)...for what reason?

1 Timothy 2:13-14
13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression.

“I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man because Adam was formed first, and she was deceived and fell into transgression."

Fine, so she should not rule OVER the man.
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[Jethro Bodine]

“I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man because Adam was formed first, and she was deceived and fell into transgression."

Fine, so she should not rule OVER the man.
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Correct. Women are not to seize pastoral teaching authority over a man that they, by reason of creation, do not have.

 

[Cooper]

Correct. Women are not to seize pastoral teaching authority over a man that they, by reason of creation, do not have.

Paul talking to the church writes, “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man because there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28.
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[Jethro Bodine]

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28
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Your interpretation of Galatians 3:28 contradicts 1 Timothy 2:11-14. But the plainly worded interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 found right in the passage does not contradict Galatians 3:28. That is how we know your interpretation of the matter of women pastors is wrong. You cause Galatians 3:28 to nullify 1 Timothy 2:11-14. But the interpretation I'm presenting of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (found right in the passage itself) does not nullify Galatians 3:28. That's how we know your interpretation is wrong.

 

[Cooper]

Your interpretation of Galatians 3:28 contradicts 1 Timothy 2:11-14. But the plainly worded interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 found right in the passage does not contradict Galatians 3:28. That is how we know your interpretation of the matter of women pastors is wrong. You cause Galatians 3:28 to nullify 1 Timothy 2:11-14. But the interpretation I'm presenting of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 (found right in the passage itself) does not nullify Galatians 3:28. That's how we know your interpretation is wrong.

Goodbye.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Paul talking to the church writes, “I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority OVER the man because there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28.
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No, the reason they are not to usurp authority over a man is because Adam was formed first, and it was Eve that was deceived not Adam. That's what the passage says. Your interpretation ignores what the passage itself plainly says, thus nullifying it. My interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 does not nullify Galatians 3:28, but rather shows that pastoral authority was not what Paul was talking about in Galatians 3:28.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Goodbye.

Good bye.
Make sure you share the truth you've been shown here about women not being allowed to be pastors with the progressive, liberal 'woke' church destroying Christianity at this time just before the return of Christ.

 

[Cooper]

No, the reason they are not to usurp authority over a man is because Adam was formed first, and it was Eve that was deceived not Adam. That's what the passage says. Your interpretation ignores what the passage itself plainly says, thus nullifying it. My interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 does not nullify Galatians 3:28, but rather shows that pastoral authority was not what Paul was talking about in Galatians 3:28.

Eve is not a member of the living church, so, unfortunately, is irrelevant to the conversation.
Like I said, goodbye to error.
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[Jethro Bodine]

Eve is not a member of the living church, so, unfortunately, is irrelevant to the conversation.

Don't tell me, tell Paul, lol.
It's amazing when people in the church claim Paul was wrong.

 

[Hopeful]

Thankfully for us, if we do sin, we can confess our sin and be forgiven.
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:

As "God heareth not sinners", (John 9:31), that repentance had better be your last one, or it was not heard.
I rejoice in the fact we can now walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
We don't have to commit any more sin !!!

 

[Hopeful]

And when it comes to procreation, a woman cannot have children without a man, and a man cannot have children without a woman. That is equality.
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It is a picture of each gender having a "part" the other cannot "play".

 

[Hopeful]

And whatever makes you think men were created before women? Without women, human life would end before it even began.
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Gen 2:7-8 makes me think that is the truth.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

 

[Hopeful]

Obviously. Both men and women are made in the spiritual image of God, yet you rank them. Clearly you are wrong.

God is the head of the man, man is the head of the woman, just as God is the head of Christ. (1 Cor 11:13)
There is indeed a rank.

 

[JLB]

As "God heareth not sinners",

The topic of discussion is not about sinners.

I'm referring to born again Christians like the Apostle John needing to be forgiven of sin.


My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 2:1-2


Do you believe the Apostle John was a sinner?

 

[jerry63935]

so is there ever a truce on this ? it has got to the point of i am right your wrong

 

[Aussie]

Good grief, Oz, read my post. Here it is again. Pay special attention to the bold part.

Anyone can confirm what I'm saying here.

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
αὐθεντέω authentéō, ow-then-teh'-o; from a compound of G846 and an obsolete ἕντης héntēs (a worker); to act of oneself, i.e. (figuratively) dominate:—usurp authority over.

G831 - authenteō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G831 - αὐθεντέω authentéō, ow-then-teh'-o; from a compound of and an obsolete ἕντης héntēs (a worker); to act of oneself, i.e. (figuratively) dominate:—usurp authority over.

www.blueletterbible.org

Jethro,

So you know authenteo in 1 Time 2:12 (REB) is not the same word for authority used elsewhere in the NT. Therefore, quit treating 1 Tim 2:12 as if it means a woman cannot have authority (authentein) over a man.

Oz

 

[jaybo]

Correct. Women are not to seize pastoral teaching authority over a man that they, by reason of creation, do not have.

By reason of creation? God created them both and Eve was created from Adam directly. Adam said “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.” Genesis 2:23 In other words they are identical.

"Seize authority"? That clearly shows where your mind is. If God created them as equals and Adam (before the fall!) identified with his other half, then clearly you are going down the wrong path.