The abomination of desolation

[lecoop]

---------The 1000 years will start & END for some!----------

It will start when Christ comes for the living righteous & the resurrected dead [Christians] who will all meet Him in the air, And Christ's God Glory + the angels Glory, will kill the rest of the worlds wicked, so that [all] wicked are now D-E-A-D. satan and the evil angels will now again be here on depopulated earth as it was before God created it! The now again 'desolate & void bottom/less pit earth', finds his angel followers and himself in a literal 'bound' chain set of circumstances! They are alone with the wicked all being dead. These who will have their resurrection at the ending of the 1000 years. See Jer. 4:23-27 for the FULL PICTURE OF THE SINNER'S DESOLATION OF GOD!!

---Elijah

Elijah, I am sure you are mistaken; Christ comes for the rapture ("living righteous" and dead in Christ) about 7 years BEFORE He comes in glory, where every eye will see Him. One verse says his feet will touch down, and he will come back just as they saw Him go; another verse shows Him coming on a white horse; yet another verse says we meet Him in the air. God is not confused: they are two SEPARATE comings; first for the church, then for judgment 7 years later.

You forgot the sheep and goat judgment, that allows the righteous to enter into the millennial kingdom. If His glory kills all the unrighteous, then there are NO GOATS.

Neither are you correct about no humans on the earth: some that survive the 7 years will go RIGHT ON LIVING in the Millennial reign of Christ on earth - - or did you forget about that?

If you are going to post on a public forum, PLEASE study these things out first, and get it right. Someone might actually believe what you have written.

Coop

Could 'i' be wrong? ;) Surely! But the Word of God is NOT. And They, ALL THREE lay it out CLEARLY in just Jer. 4:23-27's few short verses! Also DOCUMENTED in ECCL. 3:15 that there is NOTHING NEW! And They even DOUBLE DOCUMENTED [[TRUTH]] as seen in Gen. 41:32. And ALL OF THIS IS FROM A GOD JESUS THAT IS THE SAME FOR ETERNITY! Heb. 8-9 with a WARNING, huh?

So, old Elijah just thinks that it is your stuff that 'i' will junk!

And FORUM: If you would like, I will post up Jer. 4:22-27 & walk anyone through it verse by verse?

One must filter any such Old Testament passage through the New Testament for a clear understanding.
The earth was without form and void in Genesis 1. And before Adam was created, there was no man.

Your problem is, you cannot find this theory in Revelation, the most complete thesis on the end times. Rather, your theory is contradicted by Revelation. Perhaps, what Jeremiah meant was, the world will have ONLY WOMEN! :rolling (all the MEN are killed!)

Coop

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah, I am sure you are mistaken; Christ comes for the rapture ("living righteous" and dead in Christ) about 7 years BEFORE He comes in glory, where every eye will see Him. One verse says his feet will touch down, and he will come back just as they saw Him go; another verse shows Him coming on a white horse; yet another verse says we meet Him in the air. God is not confused: they are two SEPARATE comings; first for the church, then for judgment 7 years later.

You forgot the sheep and goat judgment, that allows the righteous to enter into the millennial kingdom. If His glory kills all the unrighteous, then there are NO GOATS.

Neither are you correct about no humans on the earth: some that survive the 7 years will go RIGHT ON LIVING in the Millennial reign of Christ on earth - - or did you forget about that?

If you are going to post on a public forum, PLEASE study these things out first, and get it right. Someone might actually believe what you have written.

Coop[/quote]

Could 'i' be wrong? ;) Surely! But the Word of God is NOT. And They, ALL THREE lay it out CLEARLY in just Jer. 4:23-27's few short verses! Also DOCUMENTED in ECCL. 3:15 that there is NOTHING NEW! And They even DOUBLE DOCUMENTED [[TRUTH]] as seen in Gen. 41:32. And ALL OF THIS IS FROM A GOD JESUS THAT IS THE SAME FOR ETERNITY! Heb. 8-9 with a WARNING, huh?

So, old Elijah just thinks that it is your stuff that 'i' will junk!

And FORUM: If you would like, I will post up Jer. 4:22-27 & walk anyone through it verse by verse?[/quote]


One must filter any such Old Testament passage through the New Testament for a clear understanding.
The earth was without form and void in Genesis 1. And before Adam was created, there was no man.

Your problem is, you cannot find this theory in Revelation, the most complete thesis on the end times. Rather, your theory is contradicted by Revelation. Perhaps, what Jeremiah meant was, the world will have ONLY WOMEN! :rolling (all the MEN are killed!)

Coop[/quote]

Do you suppose FORUM that there is any 'providence' in this thought of mine... I have had racing pigeons for years as a past/time hobby only. And I keep them locked up in what is called a pigeon COOP?

But seriously FORUM, this guy is locked up as 'i' see it, in his own Isa. 14:12-14 I,I,I,I stuff! The posted up 'garbage' remarks do not even want the simply facts from Gods Word! About all that was given so far had been Jer. 4:21-27.. for DOCUMENTATION of the complete [DOCUMENTED FACT] from ALL HISTORY from start of Gen. to Rev. 22's ENDING of verse 18-19 for what he call's The Godheads THEORY??? + 20-21!

Yet, one more time. If there are any who do not think that they know it all? (such with his 2 Cor. 4:2 'funny stuff' even, SICK!) Just yell! ;) out, & I will walk you through this as stated.. as 'i' see it.

--Elijah

 

[lecoop]

Elijah, I am sure you are mistaken; Christ comes for the rapture ("living righteous" and dead in Christ) about 7 years BEFORE He comes in glory, where every eye will see Him. One verse says his feet will touch down, and he will come back just as they saw Him go; another verse shows Him coming on a white horse; yet another verse says we meet Him in the air. God is not confused: they are two SEPARATE comings; first for the church, then for judgment 7 years later.

You forgot the sheep and goat judgment, that allows the righteous to enter into the millennial kingdom. If His glory kills all the unrighteous, then there are NO GOATS.

Neither are you correct about no humans on the earth: some that survive the 7 years will go RIGHT ON LIVING in the Millennial reign of Christ on earth - - or did you forget about that?

If you are going to post on a public forum, PLEASE study these things out first, and get it right. Someone might actually believe what you have written.

Coop

Could 'i' be wrong? ;) Surely! But the Word of God is NOT. And They, ALL THREE lay it out CLEARLY in just Jer. 4:23-27's few short verses! Also DOCUMENTED in ECCL. 3:15 that there is NOTHING NEW! And They even DOUBLE DOCUMENTED [[TRUTH]] as seen in Gen. 41:32. And ALL OF THIS IS FROM A GOD JESUS THAT IS THE SAME FOR ETERNITY! Heb. 8-9 with a WARNING, huh?

So, old Elijah just thinks that it is your stuff that 'i' will junk!

And FORUM: If you would like, I will post up Jer. 4:22-27 & walk anyone through it verse by verse?[/quote]


One must filter any such Old Testament passage through the New Testament for a clear understanding.
The earth was without form and void in Genesis 1. And before Adam was created, there was no man.

Your problem is, you cannot find this theory in Revelation, the most complete thesis on the end times. Rather, your theory is contradicted by Revelation. Perhaps, what Jeremiah meant was, the world will have ONLY WOMEN! :rolling (all the MEN are killed!)

Coop[/quote]

Do you suppose FORUM that there is any 'providence' in this thought of mine... I have had racing pigeons for years as a past/time hobby only. And I keep them locked up in what is called a pigeon COOP?

But seriously FORUM, this guy is locked up as 'i' see it, in his own Isa. 14:12-14 I,I,I,I stuff! The posted up 'garbage' remarks do not even want the simply facts from Gods Word! About all that was given so far had been Jer. 4:21-27.. for DOCUMENTATION of the complete [DOCUMENTED FACT] from ALL HISTORY from start of Gen. to Rev. 22's ENDING of verse 18-19 for what he call's The Godheads THEORY??? + 20-21!

Yet, one more time. If there are any who do not think that they know it all? (such with his 2 Cor. 4:2 'funny stuff' even, SICK!) Just yell! ;) out, & I will walk you through this as stated.. as 'i' see it.

--Elijah[/quote]

Perhaps you can explain how the judgement of the nations will come off with NO HUMANS on the earth?
Ah! They really ARE sheep and goats!! :rolling :rolling :rolling This is TOO FUNNY! Jesus is going to judge real GOATS. It MUST be, because Elijah tells us there will be NO PEOPLE on the earth.

Next, Elijah, please identify these? Who are these people? And WHEN are they?

Isaiah 65:21
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,

Zech 14
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

Rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Coop

 

[Elijah674]

Hi Forum: I do not like this at present Titus 3:9-11 devils stuff! Just this one more unless another poster asks for more. But this guy's postings [at present] are straight from satan as 'i' see them.

I had posted up...

But seriously FORUM, this guy is locked up as 'i' see it, in his own Isa. 14:12-14 I,I,I,I stuff! The posted up 'garbage' remarks do not even want the simply facts from Gods Word! About all that was given so far had been Jer. 4:21-27.. for DOCUMENTATION of the complete [DOCUMENTED FACT] from ALL HISTORY from start of Gen. to Rev. 22's ENDING of verse 18-19 for what he call's The Godheads THEORY??? + 20-21!

Yet, one more time. If there are any who do not think that they know it all? (such with his 2 Cor. 4:2 'funny stuff' even, SICK!) Just yell! out, & I will walk you through this as stated.. as 'i' see it.

--Elijah[/quote] (and then here comes his sincere response! )

Perhaps you can explain how the judgement of the nations will come off with NO HUMANS on the earth?
Ah! They really ARE sheep and goats!! This is TOO FUNNY! Jesus is going to judge real GOATS. It MUST be, because Elijah tells us there will be NO PEOPLE on the earth.

Next, Elijah, please identify these? Who are these people? And WHEN are they?

OK Forum, (Elijah here just for your sake! I highlited his question for the Lord's answer, not mine. See if you agree or not?
In Rev. 20:12, we see that the [D-E-A-D], small and great, STAND BEFORE GOD; [[AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED]] ... and the [DEAD] were Judged OUTOF THOSE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS]. And these ALL WERE ' judged [OUT OF THE THINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS].' See Eccl. 12:13-14 for this whole matter! There will never be sin or sinner in heaven ever again, (Nah. 1:9) just the ones that will be executed after the 1000 years & by these records of record books, and why they are lost + each & every ones duration of punishment in the lake of fire. (compare Luke 12:47-48 Woirds of the Master!)

And perhaps you forum ones care enough to read the Inspiration of 1 Cor. 6:2-3 'Do you not know that [the saints] shall judge the world? ... Know ye not that [we shall judge angels?..' And again, there will be NO Sinners in heaven during this 1000 year time/period. For they are ALL DEAD and we will only have the 'accurately recorded' record Books before us. And it is after the 1000 years that the wicked are all to have their resurrection to die their SECOND DEATH.

Hey, let me remind you that the shortest verse in Christ's Word is that 'Jesus Wept'. And 'all tears' will not be wiped away until Rev. 21 has the New Jerusalem decend. And the Judgement is FINISHED. Yet ask yourself, that if we are saved & take part in this judgement, then Coop's name comes up as being one of the unsaved, and it is ALSO RECORDED the reason why this was [ACCURATELY RECORDED] was because on my tame foolishness of not calling sin by its right name?? [And it AIN'T OVER YET!] Now... did I love Christ enough to do these hard duties? (Heb. 12:7-8) and Coop?? surely he needs to know that he is just a name posting false/hoods that is hated by God, and needs to be warned as Rev. 22:18-19 + Eccl. 3:14 verifies if 'i' truely love him, huh! !

--Elijah

 

[n2thelight]

1Thes 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (KJV)

It says that that day won't overtake us as a thief in the night (unexpectedly), it does NOT say that that day will not overtake us at all! Why would God warn us, whom "are not in darkness" and whom "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night" to be careful of Christ's return if we "brethren" are to already have been Raptured out before it happened? And if we are gone prior to the Second Advent then how could it be possible "that that day should overtake you as a thief"??? This Scripture is not written to un-saved sinners or to satan worshippers, or to Muslims, or to Hindus..., it is written to God's servants, brethren of Apostle Paul in Christianity. Why would God warn us if we weren't going to be here for the event?!? He would not!

 

[n2thelight]

If you think there will be no torture during the tribulation, you are sadly mistaken. Of course the Beast will do ANYTHING to get people to deny their God. John was boiled in oil. So that is to be expected. Of course, Satan will be behind it, trying to get believers to accept the mark, because he knows they will be damned. THAT is his goal.

Of course I am not affraid of death. But the point is, I am not going to volunteer either. I have no appointment and will not show up.

If you THINK that it is God's will to leave us here during this time, then you are as much as saying that it is His will that Christians are faced with all kinds of torture and threat of losing their heads.

Coop

You still don't get it,people will not deny God,and worship satan,people will think that satan is God..That's the whole purpose of the tribulation....People will not be forced or tortued to worship satan,they will do so of their own free will...

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And how will he do this

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Leave us here during what time?You just wrote that John was boiled in oil,was that not a bad time for him,yet he didn't fly off somewhere,my question to you is,what makes you think you will.......fly away????

And yes, Christians will die,during this time,however it will not be at the hands of satan himself,else how could he fool people into believing he is Christ?

Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Do you think the above is some kind of real creature?

Also this period of time,will be cut short for the elect sake

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

which brings me to another question,if the elect are going to be here,what makes you think you are not???

 

[veteran]

Sorry, but you are not correctly dividing the word of truth. Jesus was not talking about the church: He was talking to Jewish men about the end of THEIR age, DANIEL's 70th week. Can you find Gentiles somewhere in DANIEL's 70th week? It is not for us or about us. End times scriptures are about three groups of people, the church, the nations and the Jews. If you don't understand to which of these three a scripture is directed, you will stay confused. The Olived discourse is simple not about the church.

You really don't have a clue what our Lord Jesus was warning in Luke 17 about those 'taken', because if you did you would have realized its connection with our Lord's warning about the five foolish virgins in Matt.25, and its link to the events of the end in Matt.24. And THAT 'virgin' symbol most definitely IS about His Church, including deceived believers among His Church that refuse to listen to Him, but listen to men's pop doctrines instead, like the false pre-trib "secret rapture" theory.

EVEN in 2 Cor.11 Apostle Paul said he wanted to present believers on Christ as "a chaste virgin" to Him when He comes. So that AIN'T about unbelieving Jews at all. There will be a group of believers that fall away that represent the five foolish virgins He mentioned in Matt.25, and He will tell them He doesn't know them when He comes because of their disobedience to what He warned. And I must say they'll deserve His rebuke then, because of their heeding the leaven doctrines of men.

No since in even replying to the rest of what you wrote, because you can't even get past the Luke 17 event in understanding.

 

[lecoop]

Hi Forum: I do not like this at present Titus 3:9-11 devils stuff! Just this one more unless another poster asks for more. But this guy's postings [at present] are straight from satan as 'i' see them.

I had posted up...

But seriously FORUM, this guy is locked up as 'i' see it, in his own Isa. 14:12-14 I,I,I,I stuff! The posted up 'garbage' remarks do not even want the simply facts from Gods Word! About all that was given so far had been Jer. 4:21-27.. for DOCUMENTATION of the complete [DOCUMENTED FACT] from ALL HISTORY from start of Gen. to Rev. 22's ENDING of verse 18-19 for what he call's The Godheads THEORY??? + 20-21!

Yet, one more time. If there are any who do not think that they know it all? (such with his 2 Cor. 4:2 'funny stuff' even, SICK!) Just yell! out, & I will walk you through this as stated.. as 'i' see it.

--Elijah

(and then here comes his sincere response! )

Perhaps you can explain how the judgement of the nations will come off with NO HUMANS on the earth?
Ah! They really ARE sheep and goats!! This is TOO FUNNY! Jesus is going to judge real GOATS. It MUST be, because Elijah tells us there will be NO PEOPLE on the earth.

Next, Elijah, please identify these? Who are these people? And WHEN are they?

OK Forum, (Elijah here just for your sake! I highlited his question for the Lord's answer, not mine. See if you agree or not?
In Rev. 20:12, we see that the [D-E-A-D], small and great, STAND BEFORE GOD; [[AND THE BOOKS WERE OPENED]] ... and the [DEAD] were Judged OUTOF THOSE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS]. And these ALL WERE ' judged [OUT OF THE THINGS WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS].' See Eccl. 12:13-14 for this whole matter! There will never be sin or sinner in heaven ever again, (Nah. 1:9) just the ones that will be executed after the 1000 years & by these records of record books, and why they are lost + each & every ones duration of punishment in the lake of fire. (compare Luke 12:47-48 Woirds of the Master!)

And perhaps you forum ones care enough to read the Inspiration of 1 Cor. 6:2-3 'Do you not know that [the saints] shall judge the world? ... Know ye not that [we shall judge angels?..' And again, there will be NO Sinners in heaven during this 1000 year time/period. For they are ALL DEAD and we will only have the 'accurately recorded' record Books before us. And it is after the 1000 years that the wicked are all to have their resurrection to die their SECOND DEATH.

Hey, let me remind you that the shortest verse in Christ's Word is that 'Jesus Wept'. And 'all tears' will not be wiped away until Rev. 21 has the New Jerusalem decend. And the Judgement is FINISHED. Yet ask yourself, that if we are saved & take part in this judgement, then Coop's name comes up as being one of the unsaved, and it is ALSO RECORDED the reason why this was [ACCURATELY RECORDED] was because on my tame foolishness of not calling sin by its right name?? [And it AIN'T OVER YET!] Now... did I love Christ enough to do these hard duties? (Heb. 12:7-8) and Coop?? surely he needs to know that he is just a name posting false/hoods that is hated by God, and needs to be warned as Rev. 22:18-19 + Eccl. 3:14 verifies if 'i' truely love him, huh! !

--Elijah[/quote]


Forum, it seems Elijah has no understanding of sarcasm. As the rooster said, "I say! I say! Went right over his head!" But for the readers, the point was made: of there are no humans on earth, there is NO NEED for the sheep and goat judgement.

It seems Elijah missed the fact that Jesus descended FROM heaven TO earth in Rev. 19, and brought His saints WITH HIM. In Revv. 20:4, the thrones and judement are for the EARTH, not heaven.


For the most part, Elijah's stuff is simply too goofy to answer. He has gone FAR, FAR from the "pale of orthodxy" as Hank likes to put it. Elijah would find it VERY DIFFICULT to find a commentator that would agree with him.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

1Thes 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. (KJV)

It says that that day won't overtake us as a thief in the night (unexpectedly), it does NOT say that that day will not overtake us at all! Why would God warn us, whom "are not in darkness" and whom "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night" to be careful of Christ's return if we "brethren" are to already have been Raptured out before it happened? And if we are gone prior to the Second Advent then how could it be possible "that that day should overtake you as a thief"??? This Scripture is not written to un-saved sinners or to satan worshippers, or to Muslims, or to Hindus..., it is written to God's servants, brethren of Apostle Paul in Christianity. Why would God warn us if we weren't going to be here for the event?!? He would not!

This is so obvious you missed it in passing.

The "sudden destruction" is the wrath - of which we have no appointment. (verse 9)

What comes just before the "sudden destruction?" The rapture. We have no appointment with it, and are GONE. But still, since the rapture is the first event of the day of the Lord, OR comes as the last event BEFORE the day of the Lord, WE are to watch. and not sleep. So for US:

1) the day does NOT overtake us as a theif, for we are watching for His coming.
2) We don't sleep as the others, but watch.
3) we are to be sober, and not drunk; with our helmet on: the HOPE of our salvation.
4) we have NO APPOINTMENT with His wrath - but we DO have an appoinment:
5) whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. (Verse 10)


Coop

 

[lecoop]

If you think there will be no torture during the tribulation, you are sadly mistaken. Of course the Beast will do ANYTHING to get people to deny their God. John was boiled in oil. So that is to be expected. Of course, Satan will be behind it, trying to get believers to accept the mark, because he knows they will be damned. THAT is his goal.

Of course I am not affraid of death. But the point is, I am not going to volunteer either. I have no appointment and will not show up.

If you THINK that it is God's will to leave us here during this time, then you are as much as saying that it is His will that Christians are faced with all kinds of torture and threat of losing their heads.

Coop

You still don't get it,people will not deny God,and worship satan,people will think that satan is God..That's the whole purpose of the tribulation....People will not be forced or tortued to worship satan,they will do so of their own free will...

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And how will he do this

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Leave us here during what time?You just wrote that John was boiled in oil,was that not a bad time for him,yet he didn't fly off somewhere,my question to you is,what makes you think you will.......fly away????

And yes, Christians will die,during this time,however it will not be at the hands of satan himself,else how could he fool people into believing he is Christ?

Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Do you think the above is some kind of real creature?

Also this period of time,will be cut short for the elect sake

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

which brings me to another question,if the elect are going to be here,what makes you think you are not???

Yes, you are right, SOME WILL be deceived - but WHO? The church? Did you MISS THIS?

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Is your name written there? Is mine? All who love Jesus have their names written in the book of life. We will not be deceived. Neither will those that come to Him AFTER the rapture. But if you will look around, there are billions ALREADY DECEIVED. They worship Allah. And BILLIONS MORE will follow them. It is NOT POSSIBLE that the "elect" are deceived.

Again you miss it: the beast (and his followers) will not go after those that accept the mark, for they ARE ALREADY DECEIVED, and have swallowed his lies. But those that turn to God after the rapture, and the Jews that WILL NOT bend, bow or burn, he will go after them with a passion, to put them to death. It will make the holocaust seem insignificant.

It is SO OBVIOUS, but it flys right over your head: John HAD NO PROMISE of a rapture taking him out of tribulation. What did Paul say? That "we should suffer tribulation." We are not taken out of tribulation, for we have that all around us. But we ARE taken out from God's wrath. WE have hat promise. John did not. It was not time.

What "time" do we escape from? Of course, the time of God's wrath. Which is the SAME TIME as the 70th week and the day of the Lord.

How could he fool and at the same time, murder Christians? Look at Muslims today: they think they are doing God's will by murdering Christians. Yet at the same time, they plead with Christians to believe in allah - lest we end up in hell. The only thing that will be different then, is that Sharia law will cover MOST of the Mid East, and may be much farther yet. He KNOWS he will not fool true born again people - so for them he has the guillotine. But there will be untold millions that today have no religion; and are NOT written in the book of life. Many of THEM will be deceived.

Yes, I think it is very possible that these are real, live creatures from hell. I know a man that saw them in a vision.

I am not here because I have no appointment to be here. Is that so hard to understand? Surely you understand appointments. Surely you can understand being snatched away. These things are all written, and should not be such a struggle to believe.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

Sorry, but you are not correctly dividing the word of truth. Jesus was not talking about the church: He was talking to Jewish men about the end of THEIR age, DANIEL's 70th week. Can you find Gentiles somewhere in DANIEL's 70th week? It is not for us or about us. End times scriptures are about three groups of people, the church, the nations and the Jews. If you don't understand to which of these three a scripture is directed, you will stay confused. The Olived discourse is simple not about the church.

You really don't have a clue what our Lord Jesus was warning in Luke 17 about those 'taken', because if you did you would have realized its connection with our Lord's warning about the five foolish virgins in Matt.25, and its link to the events of the end in Matt.24. And THAT 'virgin' symbol most definitely IS about His Church, including deceived believers among His Church that refuse to listen to Him, but listen to men's pop doctrines instead, like the false pre-trib "secret rapture" theory.

EVEN in 2 Cor.11 Apostle Paul said he wanted to present believers on Christ as "a chaste virgin" to Him when He comes. So that AIN'T about unbelieving Jews at all. There will be a group of believers that fall away that represent the five foolish virgins He mentioned in Matt.25, and He will tell them He doesn't know them when He comes because of their disobedience to what He warned. And I must say they'll deserve His rebuke then, because of their heeding the leaven doctrines of men.

No since in even replying to the rest of what you wrote, because you can't even get past the Luke 17 event in understanding.

The oil in the lamps is to represent the Holy Spirit as a seal in our spirit, and our guarantee of heaven. (Eph 4:30) It should be very obvious that the five foolish virgins did not have this seal. Jesus said He did not know them. Then again, they had not been "watching." The parable preceeding this one is of the faithful and wise servant that even though his Lord delayed His coming, He watched and did as he should. But other servants, when their Lord delayed His coming, fell into sin and drunkeness, and when His lord came, was cast into hell, where there was weeping and nashing of teeth.

The parable FOLLOWIng the virgins, is of the talents. The one servant was FRUITLESS. He was given talents by His Lord, but did not use them for His Lord. Just as it is written here also:

Matt 7
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So the one given one talent did not use it. This is to be compared with our giftings from heaven; every human is given gifts of talents from heaven, that are planned ahead of time, to be a blessing to the body of Christ. But so many people have never used what God gave them. They are FRUITLESS, and are destined to be burned. The one with one talent was cast into outer darkness.

Those "taken" at the time of the tares, are not just fruitless, they are LAWLESS, and offensive to God. They will be taken out first. The judgement of the nations will week out all the rest of the goats. Only sheep will enter God's kingdom.

Veteran, always remember, if someone is born again, they have the seal of the holy Spirit inside. They will not be deceived by the antichrist. The first load will be taken out before the antichrist is even revealed. But those that turn to Christ AFTER the rapture, will see the Beast.

YOu seem to think that the rapture is some kind of evil lie perpetrated upon the church by wolves in sheeps clothing. You are TOTALLY mistaken, for it has been the Holy Spirit BRINGING that truth to the church. God is NOT GOING TO LEAVE us here for the days of His wrath. We have no appoinment. We DO have an appointment at the Marriage in heaven.

You are mistaken about the "falling away" too. That was not the intent of the author. Can you find a falling away doctrine anywhere else in Thess? The church will get stronger and stronger, not weaker and weaker. The only ones that might fall away, are denominational people that were not even born again. But God's TRUE church, the body of Christ will get stronger and stronger, right up to the rapture. If you care to look around, revival is happen around the world. NEVER in any time of history has the church been growing as fast as right now. The truth is, Paul meant a catching away, not a falling away. We will be "taken out of the way." If you stop and think, if people fell into false doctrines or doctrines of devils, they are falling INTO Satan's came, NOT BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY. But the rapture will certainly take people OUT OF THE WAY, so the antichrist will be revealed.

Coop

 

[n2thelight]

If you think there will be no torture during the tribulation, you are sadly mistaken. Of course the Beast will do ANYTHING to get people to deny their God. John was boiled in oil. So that is to be expected. Of course, Satan will be behind it, trying to get believers to accept the mark, because he knows they will be damned. THAT is his goal.

Of course I am not affraid of death. But the point is, I am not going to volunteer either. I have no appointment and will not show up.

If you THINK that it is God's will to leave us here during this time, then you are as much as saying that it is His will that Christians are faced with all kinds of torture and threat of losing their heads.

Coop

You still don't get it,people will not deny God,and worship satan,people will think that satan is God..That's the whole purpose of the tribulation....People will not be forced or tortued to worship satan,they will do so of their own free will...

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And how will he do this

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Leave us here during what time?You just wrote that John was boiled in oil,was that not a bad time for him,yet he didn't fly off somewhere,my question to you is,what makes you think you will.......fly away????

And yes, Christians will die,during this time,however it will not be at the hands of satan himself,else how could he fool people into believing he is Christ?

Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Do you think the above is some kind of real creature?

Also this period of time,will be cut short for the elect sake

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

which brings me to another question,if the elect are going to be here,what makes you think you are not???

Yes, you are right, SOME WILL be deceived - but WHO? The church? Did you MISS THIS?

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Is your name written there? Is mine? All who love Jesus have their names written in the book of life. We will not be deceived. Neither will those that come to Him AFTER the rapture. But if you will look around, there are billions ALREADY DECEIVED. They worship Allah. And BILLIONS MORE will follow them. It is NOT POSSIBLE that the "elect" are deceived.

Again you miss it: the beast (and his followers) will not go after those that accept the mark, for they ARE ALREADY DECEIVED, and have swallowed his lies. But those that turn to God after the rapture, and the Jews that WILL NOT bend, bow or burn, he will go after them with a passion, to put them to death. It will make the holocaust seem insignificant.

It is SO OBVIOUS, but it flys right over your head: John HAD NO PROMISE of a rapture taking him out of tribulation. What did Paul say? That "we should suffer tribulation." We are not taken out of tribulation, for we have that all around us. But we ARE taken out from God's wrath. WE have hat promise. John did not. It was not time.

What "time" do we escape from? Of course, the time of God's wrath. Which is the SAME TIME as the 70th week and the day of the Lord.

How could he fool and at the same time, murder Christians? Look at Muslims today: they think they are doing God's will by murdering Christians. Yet at the same time, they plead with Christians to believe in allah - lest we end up in hell. The only thing that will be different then, is that Sharia law will cover MOST of the Mid East, and may be much farther yet. He KNOWS he will not fool true born again people - so for them he has the guillotine. But there will be untold millions that today have no religion; and are NOT written in the book of life. Many of THEM will be deceived.

Yes, I think it is very possible that these are real, live creatures from hell. I know a man that saw them in a vision.

I am not here because I have no appointment to be here. Is that so hard to understand? Surely you understand appointments. Surely you can understand being snatched away. These things are all written, and should not be such a struggle to believe.

Coop

John 17:15 "I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

Revelation 7:2 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east [sun rising], having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea."

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

The servants of God will be sealed,not raptured away......

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven."

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works'.

Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity' ."

God's wrath is not directed towards us,we can be in the middle of a million evil people,and not be touched...

True Christians don't run,they stand.....

 

[Sinthesis]

God's wrath is not directed towards us,we can be in the middle of a million evil people,and not be touched...

True Christians don't run,they stand.....

Yep. If you truly love thy neighbor as thyself, you would not want to be 'raptured'. Rather, secure in your own salvation, you would seek to convert your heathen neighbors.

 

[n2thelight]

Coop

Instead of wanting to escape in a false rapture,let scripture show you what you need......

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Ephesians 6:14 "Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;"

Ephesians 6:15 "And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;"

Ephesians 6:16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked."

Ephesians 6:17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"

What more do I need?Im ready for the trib,good and ready.....

 

[Afarji]

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Mathew 24:15

I have read from one source what can be an abomination of desolation in modern times. That holy man stated that abomination is nothing else but TV (along with other devices) which makes an impression that person who's speaking in it is actually beside you (you see and hear him), but instead he's a great distance away from you. So as though person is before you and in the same time is absent (desolation).

Holy place may be considered as a church. Lets say it's a church.
How then can the abomination spread into church? Maybe, and that is only my suggestion, at the time when antichrist will be ruling over the world, he, claiming himself to be God, will put these devices (sort of TV or smth else of that kind) into churches, pointing out that his "spirit" is in church. This will help him spreading his "divine status" and simultaneously watching over those who keep attending church (i.e. real christians).

 

[Elijah674]

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Mathew 24:15

I have read from one source what can be an abomination of desolation in modern times. That holy man stated that abomination is nothing else but TV (along with other devices) which makes an impression that person who's speaking in it is actually beside you (you see and hear him), but instead he's a great distance away from you. So as though person is before you and in the same time is absent (desolation).

Holy place may be considered as a church. Lets say it's a church.
How then can the abomination spread into church? Maybe, and that is only my suggestion, at the time when antichrist will be ruling over the world, he, claiming himself to be God, will put these devices (sort of TV or smth else of that kind) into churches, pointing out that his "spirit" is in church. This will help him spreading his "divine status" and simultaneously watching over those who keep attending church (i.e. real christians).

Hi, Elijah here:
I use Eccl. 3:15 as my Documentation for keeping 'my' things straight. ;) (+ Matt. 4:4 & 2 Tim. 3:16) Even in heaven Luciffer was in the Holy Place. And when booted out to earth it was he through another top man (Gen. 4:7's DESIRED ONE) that he needed to do the evil work. Surely Isa. 5:1-7 gives Christ's Virgin Temple and who took over when he (Christ) was given the boot! (EXECUTED BY HIS OWN) They choose the Temple over Christ in verse 3. This was the replacement of satan over Christ in Matt. 23:38 ABOMINATION that makes Desolation. It was not until 39 years later that Jerusalem was destroyed by armies.

Both Dan. + Matt. 24 find the two, ABOMINATION + DESOLATION BEGINNING & ENDING! Yet, you can be sure that satan came on the scene as a liar from the start before utter destruction came. He is like a cancer! One never knows who is standing behind your pulpit? Nor who is the postor being controled by. Gen. 4:7 But it took the MATURE REJECTION OF CHRIST before the Temple was to finish the Abomination!

--Elijah

 

[lecoop]

You still don't get it,people will not deny God,and worship satan,people will think that satan is God..That's the whole purpose of the tribulation....People will not be forced or tortued to worship satan,they will do so of their own free will...

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And how will he do this

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Leave us here during what time?You just wrote that John was boiled in oil,was that not a bad time for him,yet he didn't fly off somewhere,my question to you is,what makes you think you will.......fly away????

And yes, Christians will die,during this time,however it will not be at the hands of satan himself,else how could he fool people into believing he is Christ?

Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

Do you think the above is some kind of real creature?

Also this period of time,will be cut short for the elect sake

Mark 13:20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

which brings me to another question,if the elect are going to be here,what makes you think you are not???

Yes, you are right, SOME WILL be deceived - but WHO? The church? Did you MISS THIS?

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Is your name written there? Is mine? All who love Jesus have their names written in the book of life. We will not be deceived. Neither will those that come to Him AFTER the rapture. But if you will look around, there are billions ALREADY DECEIVED. They worship Allah. And BILLIONS MORE will follow them. It is NOT POSSIBLE that the "elect" are deceived.

Again you miss it: the beast (and his followers) will not go after those that accept the mark, for they ARE ALREADY DECEIVED, and have swallowed his lies. But those that turn to God after the rapture, and the Jews that WILL NOT bend, bow or burn, he will go after them with a passion, to put them to death. It will make the holocaust seem insignificant.

It is SO OBVIOUS, but it flys right over your head: John HAD NO PROMISE of a rapture taking him out of tribulation. What did Paul say? That "we should suffer tribulation." We are not taken out of tribulation, for we have that all around us. But we ARE taken out from God's wrath. WE have hat promise. John did not. It was not time.

What "time" do we escape from? Of course, the time of God's wrath. Which is the SAME TIME as the 70th week and the day of the Lord.

How could he fool and at the same time, murder Christians? Look at Muslims today: they think they are doing God's will by murdering Christians. Yet at the same time, they plead with Christians to believe in allah - lest we end up in hell. The only thing that will be different then, is that Sharia law will cover MOST of the Mid East, and may be much farther yet. He KNOWS he will not fool true born again people - so for them he has the guillotine. But there will be untold millions that today have no religion; and are NOT written in the book of life. Many of THEM will be deceived.

Yes, I think it is very possible that these are real, live creatures from hell. I know a man that saw them in a vision.

I am not here because I have no appointment to be here. Is that so hard to understand? Surely you understand appointments. Surely you can understand being snatched away. These things are all written, and should not be such a struggle to believe.

Coop

John 17:15 "I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Is this verse "forever?" Of course it is not. It is for the church age, which ENDS with the rapture. Of course God could have chosen to take people off the planet as soon as they were born again. But then, who would tell others? WE are His body on the earth; so of course He would not remove us - until it is TIME to remove us. If you read and BELIEVE, the 144,000 are raptured and then seen in heaven, in chapter 14. So THEY have been removed. You cannot base a doctrine on one lone verse.

Luke 21:36
Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.â€

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

Revelation 7:2 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east [sun rising], having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea."

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

The servants of God will be sealed,not raptured away......

Go back and read again, and THIS TIME, believe what you read: These are JEWS, born of JEWISH mothers. This means descendants of Jacob. It has NOTHING to do with the church.

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven."

Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works'.

Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity' ."

God's wrath is not directed towards us,we can be in the middle of a million evil people,and not be touched...

True Christians don't run,they stand.....

Except that is NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN. Go back and read again, and THIS TIME, believe what you read:

1 Thes. 4:17 along with Luke 21:36 and many other verses tell us that God will REMOVE us. Why are these verses so difficult for you to believe? You do not believe we are to Meet Him in the air?

Coop

 

[lecoop]

God's wrath is not directed towards us,we can be in the middle of a million evil people,and not be touched...

True Christians don't run,they stand.....

Yep. If you truly love thy neighbor as thyself, you would not want to be 'raptured'. Rather, secure in your own salvation, you would seek to convert your heathen neighbors.

You are sure welcome to stay. I really believe that those that WANT to stay, will be left behind. It may well be that the rapture will be "by faith" just as everything else we get from heaven. It is written that He comes for those LOOKING for His coming.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

Coop

Instead of wanting to escape in a false rapture,let scripture show you what you need......

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Ephesians 6:14 "Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;"

Ephesians 6:15 "And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;"

Ephesians 6:16 "Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked."

Ephesians 6:17 "And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"

What more do I need?Im ready for the trib,good and ready.....

You are blinded by doctrines of devils. But if you WANT to be left behind, to face the Beast, I am quite sure God will honor your faith. It is not God's plan that we "tribulate." He will take those that BELIEVE in the rapture, to our mansions in the sky, while YOU tribulate. I suspect the rapture will be "by faith" just as everything else we get from heaven. So no faith in the rapture means LEFT BEHIND. God gives us exactly what we are believing for. Did you notice Mark 11:23 says "He shall have whatever he says?"

You can believe - I will not even be thinking about you - as I am tasting the fruit along the river of life, enjoying the fellowship of untold millions of other believers, and finally the wedding and wedding supper - while you and others with similar beliefs are hunted down like dogs and separated from your head.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Mathew 24:15

I have read from one source what can be an abomination of desolation in modern times. That holy man stated that abomination is nothing else but TV (along with other devices) which makes an impression that person who's speaking in it is actually beside you (you see and hear him), but instead he's a great distance away from you. So as though person is before you and in the same time is absent (desolation).

Holy place may be considered as a church. Lets say it's a church.
How then can the abomination spread into church? Maybe, and that is only my suggestion, at the time when antichrist will be ruling over the world, he, claiming himself to be God, will put these devices (sort of TV or smth else of that kind) into churches, pointing out that his "spirit" is in church. This will help him spreading his "divine status" and simultaneously watching over those who keep attending church (i.e. real christians).

PLEASE research Antiochus Epiphanes and see what he did at the temple in Jerusalem, and then how he treated the Jews. That was a TRUE abomination with desolations that followed. He was a TYPE of the Beast that is to come; meaning the Beast of Revelation, as the anti-type will do VERY SIMILAR things.

Coop