The No-Trib Rapture Discussion

[researcher]

Excellent! :D

So, why does the bride return to earth after a 1000 years (or more)? Which advent is this?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished...
Rev 21:9 And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

 

[XTruth]

Advent of who?

 

[researcher]

Advent of who?

While it doesn't say Christ comes down with them, I would expect he does come down (Rev 22:1) unless the throne of God and the Lamb on earth is figurative. If it is figurative, then the bride would return to earth, and, the Spirit of Christ would be in them as opposed to Christ literally being on earth.

Let's go with the literal though. The advent of Christ. If he also comes back after the millenium, that would be a third advent. And apparently the last.

 

[Anna1334]

Xtruth it seems to me that only you have it right.
For one if it already happen than were is the perfect peace on earth when Christ rules?
Second who has seen Yeshua coming in His glory to take vengeance on Israels enemies?
Why is Israel going to fulfill prophecy when they build their temple?
Were is this man ruling the whole world the one that Yeshua will consume with His splendor.
:biglol to all who do not believe in the rapture of the church.

 

[Cornelius]

If it is figurative, then the bride would return to earth,

Have you considered that the "return of the bride" might have something to do with Christians at this moment being seated in the heavenlies ? Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:
Do you think there is any change that it is referring to the manifestation of the bride (or as we are also called:The new Jerusalem, coming down from heaven ) and not neccesaritly a litteral coming out of the "sky" (heaven) ?

C

 

[researcher]

If it is figurative, then the bride would return to earth,

Have you considered that the "return of the bride" might have something to do with Christians at this moment being seated in the heavenlies ? Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus:
Do you think there is any change that it is referring to the manifestation of the bride (or as we are also called:The new Jerusalem, coming down from heaven ) and not neccesaritly a litteral coming out of the "sky" (heaven) ?

C

I would hope that the bride coming out of the sky is literal and that that is the moment we begin to rule the earth, on earth. As far as I know, Satan is still here, so, I am inclined to believe that this part hasn't happened yet. Satan and his angels should be in the lake of fire at the end (Mat 25:41) never to bother us again. If the bride coming out of heaven isn't literal, then, when would we rule from earth? Or will we just go to heaven and rule from there? Seems kind of boring. If we are going to be gods (sons of God), what fun would it be to have no one to be gods over? And in plain site of them. Lol. ;) :D

We are seated with Christ because of his spirit in us, and we in him (Joh 14:20). But, at some point, when we get our new bodies, we should rule over the earth in person. I believe that is the way it used to be before Satan's rebellion, and, it will return to being that way in the very end.

 

[Cornelius]

I guess, this is why one's view on the rapture either turns your expectations into sci-fi or reality.

Pre-trib are gone and need a physical return. Kind of like a yo-yo . Now you see them, now you don't and then you must see them again.Up they go, down they come.Do they go up again after the White Throne judgment as well? I forget.

Post trib are here and do not need that, they are seated in the heavenlies and can rule from there.Kind of what Jesus did. He was seated on the throne while He walked this earth.Post trib's "coming down from heaven" is a manifestation of Christ in them. Their "caught up to the throne" is receiving authority and not a literal going up to a big chair.

 

[researcher]

I guess, this is why one's view on the rapture either turns your expectations into sci-fi or reality.

Pre-trib are gone and need a physical return. Kind of like a yo-yo . Now you see them, now you don't and then you must see them again.Up they go, down they come.Do they go up again after the White Throne judgment as well? I forget.

Post trib are here and do not need that, they are seated in the heavenlies and can rule from there.Kind of what Jesus did. He was seated on the throne while He walked this earth.Post trib's "coming down from heaven" is a manifestation of Christ in them. Their "caught up to the throne" is receiving authority and not a literal going up to a big chair.

That was funny. Lol.

Do you think there will be a very end where Satan isn't here anymore?

 

[Cornelius]

That was funny. Lol.

Do you think there will be a very end where Satan isn't here anymore?

Well people believe funny things. Some even think the new Jerusalem is a real city that is going to come down and settle like a big spaceship here on earth.

About Satan, well its not important what I think, but here is what the Bible says on that issue:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[researcher]

Here's a funny one. The throne of God is supposed to be heaven itself -

Isa 66:1 Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: what manner of house will ye build unto me?

Mat 5:34 but I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by the heaven, for it is the throne of God;

So if heaven is God's throne, then, the water of life (the HS (Jer 17:13)) coming out of the throne would be the HS coming out of Heaven. :o

Rev 22:1 And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,

Unless God really does show up on earth. :D

 

[researcher]

That was funny. Lol.

Do you think there will be a very end where Satan isn't here anymore?

Well people believe funny things. Some even think the new Jerusalem is a real city that is going to come down and settle like a big spaceship here on earth.

About Satan, well its not important what I think, but here is what the Bible says on that issue:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Lol. Yes, no big spaceship landing on earth. New Jerusalem is the bride, i.e. us.

So, when Satan is in the lake of fire, will humans be on earth by themselves and the saints in heaven forever and continue that way ad-infinitum? Or will there be a time when the saints rule on earth (speaking of the very end).

 

[Cornelius]

Here's a funny one. The throne of God is supposed to be heaven itself -

Isa 66:1 Thus saith Jehovah, Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: what manner of house will ye build unto me?

Mat 5:34 but I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by the heaven, for it is the throne of God;

So if heaven is God's throne, then, the water of life (the HS (Jer 17:13)) coming out of the throne would be the HS coming out of Heaven. :o

Rev 22:1 And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,

Unless God really does show up on earth. :D

Well, if the throne of God is in heaven, then it must be in the Kingdom of God.

Luk 17:20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

So where is the "big chair" ?

Does Jesus plan to rule over men , or does He want to rule over their hearts?

C

 

[Cornelius]

So, when Satan is in the lake of fire, will humans be on earth by themselves and the saints in heaven forever and continue that way ad-infinitum? Or will there be a time when the saints rule on earth (speaking of the very end).

The Bible says everything as we know it, ends with the Great White Throne judgment.All and everyone that is not of God will be removed and the saints together with Jesus will be taken up into God again. Time will end as we know it and " God will be all in all"

1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Cornelius]

Unless God really does show up on earth. :D

Psa 68:1......Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered.....

If we are the body of Christ , Who lives in that body?

So where is God?

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[researcher]

So, when Satan is in the lake of fire, will humans be on earth by themselves and the saints in heaven forever and continue that way ad-infinitum? Or will there be a time when the saints rule on earth (speaking of the very end).

The Bible says everything as we know it, ends with the Great White Throne judgment.All and everyone that is not of God will be removed and the saints together with Jesus will be taken up into God again. Time will end as we know it and " God will be all in all"

1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

;)

OK. But, we still have this, after the Great White Throne -

Rev 21:24 And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it.

And

Rev 22:2 in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner of fruits, yielding its fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Apparently there will still be nations, and human beings.

 

[researcher]

Unless God really does show up on earth. :D

Psa 68:1......Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered.....

If we are the body of Christ , Who lives in that body?

So where is God?

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my word: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

I should have said, "concerning after we die, what happens after that?"
Will we ever come back to earth? It says there will still be nations even after the Judgement. So, after we are dead, and the great judgement is over, will we come back to the earth?

 

[Cornelius]

So, when Satan is in the lake of fire, will humans be on earth by themselves and the saints in heaven forever and continue that way ad-infinitum? Or will there be a time when the saints rule on earth (speaking of the very end).

The Bible says everything as we know it, ends with the Great White Throne judgment.All and everyone that is not of God will be removed and the saints together with Jesus will be taken up into God again. Time will end as we know it and " God will be all in all"

1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

;)

OK. But, we still have this, after the Great White Throne -

Rev 21:24 And the nations shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the kings of the earth bring their glory into it.

And

Rev 22:2 in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner of fruits, yielding its fruit every month:
and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Apparently there will still be nations, and human beings.

People think that Revelation is written in chronological events, and it is not. Many events are repeated, in different images. We must place them in order.

The starting point is the first resurrection:........ and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

That means: they (the new earth and heaven) fled away.


Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

(Here is the last or second resurrection, this is the resurrection of the wicked that were not part of the first )
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

(this "if any" takes care of all the nations that were ruled over as well, when God created the new heaven and earth for the duration of the millennium. )

 

[Cornelius]

No, there is no unsaved person left after the Great Throne judgment. That is the LAST judgment that the Bible talks about.

After that: God becomes all in all.

The Bible really does not go further than this. From this point its "wait and see "

C

 

[researcher]

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

That means: they (the new earth and heaven) fled away.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more.

So, the earth and heaven pass away twice?

 

[researcher]

Actually, if he makes "all things new," that would mean that he makes new people. It would be like Genesis all over again, except there would be no Satan. :o WoW! :D

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more.

Rev 21:5 And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true.

If the new heaven and earth are literal, then, I suppose it will be a repeat of this -

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

That would be kind of funny. We would actually watch the creation of a new earth. :P