The slandering of Paul.

[Zakariyaa]

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St . Paul Disciple Or Deceiver ?
Question ; Where Did Paul Get His Information ?

 

[Zakariyaa]

Where Did Paul Get His Information

He didn’t get it from the scriptures of Old (the Torah) and there was no New Testament. Paul simply fabricated it from his Greek and Roman studies. Paul’s books are saturated with esoteric doctrines about the spirits and the souls, and love, and the stars. It’s all Greek mythology and at this point Jesus became the God Zeus to him, combined with the Hebrew God Yahweh; then was said Jahweh. So you get Jah, short for Jehovah and the Zues
combined to crate the new name Jazues; you get the word Jesus whose name in his language is really Yashua meaning the savior. Paul is responsible for creating the name Jesus like he did everything else from start to finish...This is an example of what type of foundation your religion of Christianity was built on; by “St. Paul,†your canonized (ordained) holy man.Paul, on his own felt that it would be impossible to change the ways of the Gentiles

without making changes too. Barnabas knew that his creator did not wish his laws to be taken away or changed (Matthew 5:18). Barnabas, therefore remained firm in the guidance he had been given. This was the beginning of arguments and fine distinctions which were to come later. Barnabas and Paul disagreed on issues such as man’s everyday existence and way of life. Paul wanted to avoid making changes in the practices that the Greek had before

they arrived. Paul wanted to abandon the commandments of Moses governing the laws of food and sacrificing of animals, as well as the laws of circumcision. In view of this, the differences between Barnabas and Paul grew (Acts 15:2).Barnabas and Paul never stayed very long in one place. What Barnabas wanted was to teach the teachings of Jesus with the new doctrine Paul was developing. At this point (in 49 A.D.) they fell apart.

It is said that it was because Paul wanted John Mark (Barnabas’ nephew) along on future missions, then the split occurred. We know that there was more to it than that (Acts 15:39-40). So Barnabas and Mark went to Cyprus, Barnabas’ birthplace.
Ques: So who was John Mark and what part did he play?
Ans: John Mark was an Israelite from Jerusalem. His mother was a supporter of Jesus’

teachings and thus opened her home to the Disciples and their followers for it to serve as their gathering place (Acts 13:5)...John Mark joined the Disciple Barnabas (his Uncle) Colosians 4:10 and Paul on their first missionary journey, 47-48 A.D., and traveled to the Greek island of Antioch to propagate the word of Jesus to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Acts 13:5, 12:25, 13:1)...He served as minister to Barnabas and Paul and was

considered a deacon or servant who aided them. Mark did not remain long in Perga with Paul and Barnabas but decided to return to Jerusalem. This departure caused dissension between Barnabas and Paul. Paul resented Mark leaving him and Barnabas in Perga (and ancient city of Asia Minor). So when they were ready to embark on the second missionary journey, Paul was in favor of leaving them; as a result, Barnabas and Paul went their seperate ways (Acts 15:36-39). Barnabas and Mark depearted to Cyprus and Paul went to Syria accompanied by

Silos (Acts 15:40-41).It was at this point when Barnabas and Paul split up, that Barnabas took Mark with him to Cyprus. Mark is not mentioned again in the New Testament until approximately ten years later, where he is found in the company of Paul in Colossa (Asia Minor) (Colossians 4:10). By this time Paul had forgotten his previous abandoning of the mission; although he still had doubts about his loyalty.

Paul considered Mark helpful to him because he was well versed in the language of the Gentiles...Now, Barnabas out of the picture, Paul was free to go on with his mission of distortion as he pleased. Paul’s confidence and reputation made him unafraid to go out and preach his doctrine without worrying about rejection or the restraining hand of Barnabas to check him, whenever he strayed form the teachings of Jesus.

After Barnabas left for Cyprus, Paul continued with his mission. Paul realized as a disciple of the Messiah Jesus (we are unsure of this fragments meaning). Paul persuaded Peter to travel with him. Yes, they wre rivals but now the situation had changed. You see the persecution that Romans were committing on the followers of Jesus had increased. Peter was trying to escape this because he know that changes here or there within the laws might mean less persecution. In 49 A.D. Paul and Peter travelled west. Without the sincerity and restraining influence of Barnabas, Paul was successful in pushing in his new doctrine (Romans 16:20-21).

The people, who were hearing about Jeus for the first time from Paul’s lips, had no way of checking out Paul’s version to depend on. And Paul became very successful. Paul deviated further from the teachings of Yashua (Jesus). He finally told them to just omit the whole law of the Prophets because it was crucified (died) when Yashua (Jesus) was so-called crucified. Now, pay close attention, because I am going to show you this by using Paul’s own words...

First of all it is important that you remember the following quote throughout this entire explanation. Remember don’t forget it...Matthew 5:17 “Don’t think that I have come to destroy the laws of the Torah, or what the Prophets said: I did not come to destroy, I came to fulfill them.†Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil....Now remember this! This is what Jesus said. Now read (Galatians 3:5-6,9) to tell you what Paul said. Paul is saying here that he gave you the word and worked

miracles not because he followed the law but because he had faith, he was successful....He also compares himself to Abraham and that everyone who believed Abraham will still be blessed as Abraham was blessed, even if they don’t follow the law. However, in James 2:21-23, Abraham worked as well as had faith, then he was blessed. Paul then goes on to say in Galatians 3:10-11 that by following the law all men are cursed because the law is what

causes them to sin (Romans 4:15). Paul is saying that this curse, due to man trying to keep the laws that Eli (God) gave to man by way of the Prophets, is what keeps man from being justified (righteous) in the eyes of Eli (God). Also, if man live by faith, that alone will make him righteous in the eyes of Eli.Paul laid more and more emphasis on the vision of the Christ, he said appeared to him, which we already know is hard to believe. Paul used the

“direct revelation†theory to justify what he taught. Meaning, Paul said that his teachings were directly from Jesus by revelation…no one saw, heard, felt, etc.â€â€any of this which could verify Paul’s stories. Only Paul based his “divine authority†(meaning his words were inspired law) on these so-called revelations. It was by virtue of this “authority†that Paul claimed the blessing of the gospel (which were his own teachings) were not limited, but for all who believed....This was the beginning of the Pauline Church or better known as the “Roman Catholic Church.â€Â

In the beginning Paul started with a few new ideas. Later, the Gentiles kept tampering with the books and with their continual introductions of new ideas, into Christianity. The new ideas introduced by Paul were simply to attract the Gentiles. He started with the cancelling of the law of circumcision, but one wrong step led to another. Ultimately it ended into a new faith. This new faith which is now called Christianity resembled pagan beliefs rather than the revealed teachings of Moses, and the later Prophets, including Jesus Christ, the Real

Messiah.Of course the completion of this new and improved (reformed) religion was a book to contain all the teachings of this profound (great) religion that would be available to all the “true†and “sincere†followers of “Christ.†This book was to be called “The New Testament.'''
The New Testament was compiled in 325 A.D. by the Council of Nicea, consisting of twenty-six books. Although the New Testament is thought to be the book of the Messiah Jesus, Jesus did not receive any books.
St. Matthew 41 A.D.
St. Mark 65 A.D.
St. Luke 58 A.D.
St. John 98 A.D.
The Acts 61 A.D.
Epistle To Romans 56 A.D.
1 Corinthians 55 A.D.
2 Corinthians 55 A.D.
Galatians 52 A.D.
Ephesians 61 A.D.
Phillippians 61 A.D.
Colossians 61 A

 

[Jay T]

Re: Question If I May Join In

St . Paul Disciple Or Deceiver ?
Question ; Where Did Paul Get His Information ?

Although the Bible warns about Paul's writings (2 Peter 3:15,16), I believe that Paul got his inspiration from the same source as all the other Bible writers.

The danger is in the way, Paul's writings are interpreted, that will cause many people, who call themselves Christians....to be LOST !

 

[Zakariyaa]

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Where Did Saul , Shaool , Paul Get His Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Concept ?

 

[cj]

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Although the Bible warns about Paul's writings (2 Peter 3:15,16), I believe that Paul got his inspiration from the same source as all the other Bible writers.

The danger is in the way, Paul's writings are interpreted, that will cause many people, who call themselves Christians....to be LOST !

It completely untrue to say the bible warns about Paul's writings.

To say this is to echo the thoughts of God's adversary.

And apart from what you may or may not believe, Peter declares Paul's ministry as being of God.

The danger you speak of is applicable to every part of the scriptures, including the law.

And with your folly thoughts on the law you expose yourself as being as "lost" as the worst of us.


In love,
cj

 

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[Jay T]

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It completely untrue to say the bible warns about Paul's writings.

One thing I can always count on you for, is your ability to refuse to believe, what the Bible plainly says, CJ.

To say this is to echo the thoughts of God's adversary.

2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
And you are implying, that these are the words of satan ?

Or, can it be, that these are the words of God, warning people about 'how' Paul's writings, might be interpreted ?

And apart from what you may or may not believe, Peter declares Paul's ministry as being of God.

The danger you speak of is applicable to every part of the scriptures, including the law.

That is my point actually....people using Paul's writings to make void the Law of God, which is exactly what satan wants...as his ...WAR ...against God's commandments, is his main focus (Revelation 12:17).

And with your folly thoughts on the law you expose yourself as being as "lost" as the worst of us.

The Bible test, as to who has the truth, is found in Isaiah 8:20..... Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them".

 

[cj]

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One thing I can always count on you for, is your ability to refuse to believe, what the Bible plainly says, CJ.

And one thing we can count on is your attempt to confuse the truth.

JayT, its not just me that knows your scriptural understanding is off, the majority of the folks on these boards do.

So I tell you what, instead of singling me out as if I'm the only one who has a problem with your erroneous speaking, why not be truthful and tell it like it is.

JayT, very few here stand with you on your doctrinal error.

And I'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing, I'm simply saying it is what it is, most don't agree with you.

To say this is to echo the thoughts of God's adversary...

2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

And you are implying, that these are the words of satan ?

Not at all.

I'm implying that the warning, which you say is against Paul's writings, is not.

What Peter is warning against are what he refers to as "mockers" in verse 3,....

"This second letter, beloved, I now write to you; in them both I stir up your sincere mind with a reminder, so that you would remember the words spoken before by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior preached by your apostles; Knowing this first, that in the last of days mockers will come with mocking, going on according to their own lusts and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue in this way from the beginning of creation."

Peter is speaking about something very specfic but you are being very general about it.

That's your first mistake, and is the mistake on which you attempt to build an entire doctrine.

Truth is JayT, from your own words we can see that you have no clue as to what Peter is speaking of.


Peter was not warning the beloved saints to whom he was writing of their misinterpreting Paul's writings, Peter was warning these saints about listening and following those who mock the words of Paul and the other apostles,... in particular because all the apostles declared that Christ would return soon and years later He had not yet come.

Or, can it be, that these are the words of God, warning people about 'how' Paul's writings, might be interpreted ?

Not interpreted JayT,... but taught by others.

That is my point actually....people using Paul's writings to make void the Law of God, which is exactly what satan wants...as his ...WAR ...against God's commandments, is his main focus (Revelation 12:17).

Rev. 12:17, "And the dragon became angry with the woman and... went... away... to... make... war... with... the rest of her seed,... who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.

Actually, according to this scripture (and those that came before it) Satan's priority focus was on the "woman" who brought forth the manchild,... and not "the rest of the seed."

Did you not notice that a major portion of the entire chapter 12 was about the woman and her man-child,... yet only half a verse was given as a mention of "the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus."

Half a verse JayT,... only half a verse,... and yet you declare of Satan "this is his main focus."

Half a verse JayT,... is that the best you can come up with in support of your false doctrine?

The Bible test, as to who has the truth, is found in Isaiah 8:20..... Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them".

The Pharisees, the religious ones,... always, always they must go to arguments of legality and not manifest grace.

"The bible test, as to who has the truth, is...."

What absolute ignorance your statement is JayT, what utter and absolute ignorance you express with it.


JayT, in the following speaking of Paul can be found God's "bible test" (to use your words) of who has the truth, do you think you can figure it out?

1 Corinthians 13,

"Love never falls away. But whether prophecies, they will be rendered useless; or tongues, they will cease; or knowledge, it will be rendered useless.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; But when that which is complete comes, that which is in part will be rendered useless.

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child, I reasoned as a child; since I have become a man, I have done away with childish things.

For now we see in a mirror obscurely, but at that time face to face; now I know in part, but at that time I will fully know even as also I was fully known.

Now there abide faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love."


And being the nice guy that I am I'll help you out and by giving you a clue....

1 John 4:8

"He who does not love has not known God, because God is love."


I really hope you get it.


In love,
cj

 

[Jay T]

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And one thing we can count on is your attempt to confuse the truth.

"To the Law and to the tesimony, if they speak not accordring to these words, it is because there is no light in them", (Isaiah 8:20)
This tells me the those who keep all 10 commandments of God have more of the truth, than those who, do not...keep all 10 commandments of God.

JayT, its not just me that knows your scriptural understanding is off, the majority of the folks on these boards do.

Don't you read the Bible....as it plainly states that the majority are always wrong in religious matters....
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".
The vast majority of the Christian world attends Sunday worship services....which the Bible ...does not...support as a valid doctrine of the Bible.

So I tell you what, instead of singling me out as if I'm the only one who has a problem with your erroneous speaking, why not be truthful and tell it like it is.

You mean I haven't been trying to do that already ?

JayT, very few here stand with you on your doctrinal error.

And I'm not saying its a good thing or a bad thing, I'm simply saying it is what it is, most don't agree with you.

Ever heard the saying: "Unpopular Truth vs. Popular Error" ?Have you read about the religious leaders of Christ's day....telling the people not to listen to Jesus Christ, as they believed Him to be a false teacher ?