The Symbol of the Bride.

[for_his_glory]

Hi Dorothy,

Oh dear, that is so sad about not seeing Christ`s life developing in yourself or others. Perhaps you are just seeing all the work yet to come about. I`m sure some of your character is changing. Are you dying to self daily? for that is what we all have to do. (As you would know.)

I can see lot of changes in myself, my hubby, and friends over time. We know that we must keep short accounts, as it were, and repent when we know that we have said or done something hurtful to another, been impatient, gotten cross, been selfish, etc etc.

Hopefully if you ask the Lord He will highlight to you some changes He has made. You see I believe what the Lord has said about changing us, and over the centuries and across the world I know He is doing that in so many lives that I do not see. But one day we shall be like Him. Praise His glorious name.

praying, Marilyn.

Christ in us is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that helps renew our Spiritual inner man. How can one not see a change within themselves. I know I am not the person I use to be before the indwelling.

 

[for_his_glory]

Wow, that is really changing my words against me!! You assume I don’t see Christ developing in my life as a personal attack because you don’t seem to be able to answer my thinking challenge. This is evidence of him not developing in the life that attacks others in words.


Stop the personal attacks Marilyn. It is evidence of you needing the Holy Spirit to work in you and not dying to yourself today. Now as the sheep was silent before it’s shearers, so I respond as Jesus did when falsely accused. Do you need that verse?

I suspect that this takes the form of: “Dear Lord, I am dying to myself again today. Thank you that you will ensure that I am dead to the flesh without any pain to my flesh by having to deny myself anything.”

You need to repent of that false accusation. Will you?

So you and your church are just like Jesus?

Wow, slow your roll there of feeling you are being attacked as Marilyn C never attacked you, but was trying to explain the nature of God within our Spiritual inner man where the Holy Spirit dwells in us. You owe her an apology.

Through the Atonement we can become like Jesus in His divine nature who is the divine nature of God. To become more like Him means to take on His nature, 1 Peter 1:1-11. This is what the Holy Spirit helps us with as we are to die to self/flesh daily.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just be wise and don’t tell us that you think God gave you discernment because we are required to test it by scripture and so far the results have not indicated that God Himself was revealing something.

I don't know why you are attacking eddif as I understand many things he brings to the plate as I do see God giving him discernment, but sometimes we might not understand some things he post. It's just easier if you ask others to give clarity to what they have said.

 

[Marilyn C]

After giving this more thought I do agree the OT saints would not be called the body of Christ/church as that happened at Pentecost. All though by faith in God and being obedient to His commands when they were alive they too will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air when He returns.

Hi FHG,

You are gracious to reconsider. Now may I say that the OT saints are waiting in the General Assembly for the city to come down. (Heb. 11: 16 & 12: 23 the just men & women) And we know that is in the NHNE. (Rev. 21: 2)

Marilyn.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi FHG,

You are gracious to reconsider. Now may I say that the OT saints are waiting in the General Assembly for the city to come down. (Heb. 11: 16 & 12: 23 the just men & women) And we know that is in the NHNE. (Rev. 21: 2)

Marilyn.

The nation of Israel, which descended from Abraham being the OT saints, are waiting in the General Assembly as today that nation has been temporarily set aside from that position until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought into the church, which is now His witness to the world, Romans 4:16; 11:25-28; 1 Peter 2:1-12

 

[Marilyn C]

Wow, that is really changing my words against me!! You assume I don’t see Christ developing in my life as a personal attack because you don’t seem to be able to answer my thinking challenge. This is evidence of him not developing in the life that attacks others in words.


Stop the personal attacks Marilyn. It is evidence of you needing the Holy Spirit to work in you and not dying to yourself today. Now as the sheep was silent before it’s shearers, so I respond as Jesus did when falsely accused. Do you need that verse?

I suspect that this takes the form of: “Dear Lord, I am dying to myself again today. Thank you that you will ensure that I am dead to the flesh without any pain to my flesh by having to deny myself anything.”

You need to repent of that false accusation. Will you?

So you and your church are just like Jesus?

Hi Dorothy,

I`m so sorry that you have been hurt and that I have misunderstood you. Please forgive me. This is what you said and thus why I was trying to encourage you, not attack you as you thought.

But truthfully, I really do not see that we have his divine nature, not from internal experience nor from watching many Christians over many years as a given.

yours in Christ, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

The nation of Israel, which descended from Abraham being the OT saints, are waiting in the General Assembly as today that nation has been temporarily set aside from that position until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought into the church, which is now His witness to the world, Romans 4:16; 11:25-28; 1 Peter 2:1-12

Hi FHG,

The OT saints are not all from the nation of Israel. There are quite a few there not from Israel - Abel, Enoch, Noah etc.

And I agree that the nation of Israel is being kept till the maturing, fullness of the Gentiles are brought into the Body of Christ.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy,

I`m so sorry that you have been hurt and that I have misunderstood you. Please forgive me. This is what you said and thus why I was trying to encourage you, not attack you as you thought.

Marilyn,

Where did I say that? You saw or wanted to see what I did not say. And I know did not because recently the very opposite is true. You wrote an untruth about me, a false accusation, an accuser of the brethren remark.

Now, Marilyn, you shouldn’t use the world’s non-apology apology saying you are sorry “I was hurt” because this feeds your pride and makes you look good instead of admitting you did wrong. Any decent atheist is sorry someone was hurt. Of course! And you didn’t hurt me. The enemy attacked me through you, it is true, but I understand why.

And When you ask forgiveness you should not excuse your behavior in your eyes. You should not say “you’re sorry you hurt” someone because only a monster isn’t sorry they hurt someone. You need to say that you were wrong. Period. That is humbling yourself.

But truthfully, I really do not see that we have his divine nature, not from internal experience nor from watching many Christians over many years as a given.

yours in Christ, Marilyn.

Your post was an example of how this supposed “divine nature of Jesus in you” was not there but was being unkind, untrue and rather condescending.

You tell others that his divine nature is in them NO MATTER HOW THEY BEHAVE and this is wrong. It gives them freedom to behave as they wish. Besides where is the verse that says “he gave us his divine nature?” 2 Peter 1:4 is only reference to this and it doesn’t say he gave us his divine nature. Where are you getting this theology? (Peter says we can “participate” not being given, they aren’t the same.)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I don't know why you are attacking eddif as I understand many things he brings to the plate as I do see God giving him discernment, but sometimes we might not understand some things he post. It's just easier if you ask others to give clarity to what they have said.

I spoke to his words, not the man. That is then not at attack. “You are [insert uncomplimentary adjective]” is an attack.


I say it because this is the Biblical
standard in response to someone claiming God spoke to them. Do you need that verse?

Secondly, it is an extremely prideful thing to claim God gives you your theology unless it’s 100% true. If God doesn’t see that He is doing that, a man is taking a very prideful position by boasting his thinking matches God’s. This is not good for those who claim it.

Now I have done the biblical response and find some of his claims to have “personal divine explanations” to be very off reflecting new age thinking at times. Some I agree with.

But the general hallmarks of a man who receives God’s explanations are missing. I have heard many a person say things that they say they got from God and both the man and the words pass the test. They really did get the explanation from the Lord.

I say this also because believers are not taught to pay attention in order to test a “divine explanation” claim. This has led to tragic deception. It would be better if people had more respect for claiming that “they seek God and what they hear is always God speaking” and listeners “searched the scriptures to see if these things be so” instead of swallowing it whole.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Wow, slow your roll there of feeling you are being attacked as Marilyn C never attacked you, but was trying to explain the nature of God within our Spiritual inner man where the Holy Spirit dwells in us. You owe her an apology.

I do not. She turned a general
statement about the evidence into talking about me personally, how I perceive my character. That, by definition, is an attack.

It was also condescending. She ought to have asked me if I see this in me which is honoring of the other instead of condescending.

I was looking at the claim “we all have his divine nature” and thinking about his character as demonstrated by his behavior and looking at the church (in general, not mine) and in 50 years, I’ve seen christians commit every crime/sin but murder. That doesn’t reflect the “Brides making herself ready by righteous acts” divine nature at all.

Through the Atonement we can become like Jesus in His divine nature who is the divine nature of God. To become more like Him means to take on His nature, 1 Peter 1:1-11. This is what the Holy Spirit helps us with as we are to die to self/flesh daily.

Yes I agree totally. It’s a future POSSIBILITY. But it’s not a done deal we can all claim is true no matter how we behave. Don’t you agree?

 

[Marilyn C]

I do not. She turned a general
statement about the evidence into talking about me personally, how I perceive my character. That, by definition, is an attack.

It was also condescending. She ought to have asked me if I see this in me which is honoring of the other instead of condescending.

I was looking at the claim “we all have his divine nature” and thinking about his character as demonstrated by his behavior and looking at the church (in general, not mine) and in 50 years, I’ve seen christians commit every crime/sin but murder. That doesn’t reflect the “Brides making herself ready by righteous acts” divine nature at all.

Yes I agree totally. It’s a future POSSIBILITY. But it’s not a done deal we can all claim is true no matter how we behave. Don’t you agree?

Hi Dorothy,

I see what you are saying. Yes I should have clarified with you what you said.

And we know it is difficult to see another`s heart for we are just reading written words. And do you realise that you misunderstood me too? I was not being condescending, as you said, but I really felt for you as I believed you had not seen any growth in yourself. That was my motive, and not condescending. I also prayed for you about that.

So I think we both need to check with the other concerning what we are really saying, don`t you think?

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hi Dorothy,

I see what you are saying. Yes I should have clarified with you what you said.

And we know it is difficult to see another`s heart for we are just reading written words. And do you realise that you misunderstood me too? I was not being condescending, as you said, but I really felt for you as I believed you had not seen any growth in yourself. That was my motive, and not condescending. I also prayed for you about that.

Ok but take care in stepping in to “help.” I wasn’t talking about me personally but I can see how you could read that into it. People today have a hard time talking abstractly and tend to focus on themselves alone. It’s easy to see how you would assume that from the culture we live in.

So I think we both need to check with the other concerning what we are really saying, don`t you think?

regards, Marilyn.

I’m very willing to do so and thank you for your response. You cannot know that much about me and it easy to assume factors commonly found.

Since you are so kind and open, I will share a bit about myself. I’ve walked with the Lord since childhood which is why I don’t relate to being dead in sin in my “former life.” I was pretty young when I experienced his forgiveness and cleansing. Anyway, my walk with Him and life is better than I had ever dreamed. I understand God and can explain His ways on matters that have been made clear to me which means not everything (we don’t live long enough for that to happen.) On a worldly level I haven’t much to show but that was never the level I sought. Loving God with your mind is deeply satisfying. Of course the rest too, but the mind has special challenges.

Bless you Marilyn. You have a good heart.

 

[eddif]

He works in us to will and to do of his good pleasure. The things I won’t not those things I do.
Romans 7:15 kjv
15. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

(top water circle storms). And circle whirlpools on the Mississippi River. You know circles in water. You know I will get you back if it is the last thing I do. Anger in humanity takes the full grace of God to un-do. The will to do is present in us, but the power to foot is not. By grace we are saved, not of works lest any man might boast. The old covenant says you do it, but the new covenant says if we confess our sis ins he will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That pure bride may have had issues in the past that have been worked out by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Father - confess sins
Son - forgiveness of sins
Holy Spirit - powe

I can assure everyone, that if eddif has a white wedding garment it was not granted because of carnal works.
for_his_glory snuck Romans grace salvation into one of her long posts. No flag waving just bam there
it is. I kinda got out the trumpets, banner, fireworks, etc. Oh well the one new man may look Jewish one minute and Gentile the next.

New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven, and not exactly directly out of wilderness wandering. Gifts of the Holy Spirit. You out there Edward?

Much rambling, but to me about the bride.

eddif

Supporting a thought:
Ecclestiastes 7:8 kjv
8. Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.

This is an end times thread. When the end of anything comes, we want a good outcome.
On the way to the outcome there may be issues to be dealt with.
Jesus had a rough beginning:
His mother was thought to be impure
A king ordered the death of male children
The family fled to Egypt
Jesus was basically homeless during his ministry.
Jesus prayed that the will of the Father God be done
That did not stop miracles.
His ministry was attacked
He was crucified and died

The End:
Jesus was raised from the dead
Returned to the right hand of The Father
Had his Glory returned
Sent His Quickening Spirit to earth
Will come again to retrieve his bride

The Gentiles started in disaster
The Jews fell into terrible sin
Both groups repented, received Jesus as savior, and were empowered by the Holy Spirit and become one new man.

No matter a man's start, we strive for a good end times.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Christ in us is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that helps renew our Spiritual inner man. How can one not see a change within themselves. I know I am not the person I use to be before the indwelling.

How come we need monitors here if our inner man, that being having now Christ’s divine nature, is being renewed and changed?

It’s not that I don’t see any differences in Christians at all. Of course I do. But the “claimed behavior” that is not apparent is dangerous. And some have gotten less like Christ than previously. Some even fell away from the faith totally and behaved very badly. I object to the automatic descriptions and claims we are such no matter how we behave.

 

[eddif]

How come we need monitors here if our inner man, that being having now Christ’s divine nature, is being renewed and changed?

It’s not that I don’t see any differences in Christians at all. Of course I do. But the “claimed behavior” that is not apparent is dangerous. And some have gotten less like Christ than previously. Some even fell away from the faith totally and behaved very badly. I object to the automatic descriptions and claims we are such no matter how we behave.

It will be difficult to answer all that.
Here may be some conditions that are faced:
1. Lukewarm approach
Revelation 3:16 kjv
16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Mississippi talk (don't shrug your shoulders at me)
Your carnal inner voice will say I am ok. Maybe someone else has spotted disaster in your life
2. You belong to the synagogue of Satan, and believe their bad teachings.
3. Revelation 2:9 kjv
9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I could go on, but the letters to seven churches show different conditions where we have benefits or dangers. The Latin word semper comes to mind, and in Greek we get always too.

Use Bible words that show awareness, direction, companions etc.

The evil one is seeking who he can destroy. There is no natural inner carnal voice of wisdom to direct us IMHO. We seek wisdom, knowledge, underdstanding from God. It can be Holy Spirit, study of scripture, creation, etc.

eddif

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It will be difficult to answer all that.
Here may be some conditions that are faced:
1. Lukewarm approach
Revelation 3:16 kjv
16. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Mississippi talk (don't shrug your shoulders at me)
Your carnal inner voice will say I am ok. Maybe someone else has spotted disaster in your life
2. You belong to the synagogue of Satan, and believe their bad teachings.
3. Revelation 2:9 kjv
9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I could go on, but the letters to seven churches show different conditions where we have benefits or dangers. The Latin word semper comes to mind, and in Greek we get always too.

Use Bible words that show awareness, direction, companions etc.

The evil one is seeking who he can destroy. There is no natural inner carnal voice of wisdom to direct us IMHO. We seek wisdom, knowledge, underdstanding from God. It can be Holy Spirit, study of scripture, creation, etc.

eddif

Thanks for your answer. I think the simple answer is most of us don’t obey the Holy Spirit most of the time. Some likely don’t know they’re supposed to obey Him at all.

 

[for_his_glory]

How come we need monitors here if our inner man, that being having now Christ’s divine nature, is being renewed and changed?

It’s not that I don’t see any differences in Christians at all. Of course I do. But the “claimed behavior” that is not apparent is dangerous. And some have gotten less like Christ than previously. Some even fell away from the faith totally and behaved very badly. I object to the automatic descriptions and claims we are such no matter how we behave.

We need monitors here because not everyone has that divine nature in them, even if they call themselves a Christian, 2 Timothy 3:1-7.

If we read Romans 8:1-11 and Colossians 3:1-17 we are to seek those things from above as we mortify the flesh, in which we all walked in, and now walk in newness of life after the ways of the Spirit.

None of us are perfect, but strive for that perfection that is in Christ as the Holy Spirit will help us walk that straight and narrow path.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi FHG,

The OT saints are not all from the nation of Israel. There are quite a few there not from Israel - Abel, Enoch, Noah etc.

And I agree that the nation of Israel is being kept till the maturing, fullness of the Gentiles are brought into the Body of Christ.

I agree as Abraham was the first one in the Bible to be called a Hebrew, Genesis 14:13.

Here is some history on the word Hebrew/Jew, but I don't want to get off topic.

Abraham was the first to be mentioned as a Hebrew in Genesis. Many think this is from his ancestor, Eber (4th Great Grandfather, from the line of Shem).

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

Later on Abraham's grandson, Jacob, had his name changed to Israel and he had 12 sons. The fourth son was Judah. It was during or soon after the Babylonian captivity of 586 BC, that the descendants of Judah became known as Jews. So all Jews are Hebrews but not all Hebrews are Jews.

Hebrew refers to the ancient people that later became the Jews, but both terms are used interchangeably in ancient times. In modern times, Hebrew refers to a language, and Jew refers to the people. The Hebrews were a group that includes the ancestors of the Jews and others; so it is more correct to call the Jews Hebrews rather than the other way around.

The Hebrews include all the descendants of Ever (see Genesis ch.10), one of whom was Abraham (Genesis ch.11).However, once we received the name of Israel (Genesis ch.35), we preferred to use that name instead of "Hebrews," because "Hebrews" is generic, while Israel is a title of honor.

 

[eddif]

How come we need monitors here if our inner man, that being having now Christ’s divine nature, is being renewed and changed?

It’s not that I don’t see any differences in Christians at all. Of course I do. But the “claimed behavior” that is not apparent is dangerous. And some have gotten less like Christ than previously. Some even fell away from the faith totally and behaved very badly. I object to the automatic descriptions and claims we are such no matter how we behave.

Galatians 3:3 kjv
3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Salvation seems not to be:
A military bunker hardened facility where
EMF can not penetrate
Electricity is self contained
Staff never makes a mistake

There are anti bunker ( bunker busting bombs). Laser GPS guided bombs to hit the same target time after time.

I personally need the prayers of others. I am distracted by some things. I realize the resurrection has not already happened. At the last trump we shall be changed. If a person has it all now, how can they be changed at the last trump?

I could try and describe praying in the spirit, but I believe others have already done it better.
Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

I spoke to his words, not the man. That is then not at attack. “You are [insert uncomplimentary adjective]” is an attack.


I say it because this is the Biblical
standard in response to someone claiming God spoke to them. Do you need that verse?

Secondly, it is an extremely prideful thing to claim God gives you your theology unless it’s 100% true. If God doesn’t see that He is doing that, a man is taking a very prideful position by boasting his thinking matches God’s. This is not good for those who claim it.

Now I have done the biblical response and find some of his claims to have “personal divine explanations” to be very off reflecting new age thinking at times. Some I agree with.

But the general hallmarks of a man who receives God’s explanations are missing. I have heard many a person say things that they say they got from God and both the man and the words pass the test. They really did get the explanation from the Lord.

I say this also because believers are not taught to pay attention in order to test a “divine explanation” claim. This has led to tragic deception. It would be better if people had more respect for claiming that “they seek God and what they hear is always God speaking” and listeners “searched the scriptures to see if these things be so” instead of swallowing it whole.

All of us have some truth, some views and some theologies, but what we mostly have is common ground that is our love for the Lord. We all get it wrong at times, we all get it right at times. Not everyone is on the same level of learning.