It is, but given the importance of the faith and the message of the gospel, and that Jesus said he would never leave nor forsake his followers, it’s hard to believe that so much would go so wrong.I wouldn't overlook the fact that christianity started when Jesus walked the earth some 2000 years ago. Four hundred years is a long time to screw some stuff up.
And what we see in extrabiblical writings during that time are the foundations of the Trinity—the deity of Jesus and the person and deity of the Holy Spirit.
How is that relevant to Christian belief?Also. Faith in GOD predates "Christianity".
I'm talking about doctrine. There was much that the Reformers threw out and then with the radical Reformation, even more. Certainly if the doctrine of the Trinity, one of the central teachings of the Church, had been seen to be false and only of the Catholic imagination, it, too, would have been thrown out. That every sect in Christianity holds to the doctrine of the Trinity is not insignificant.What caused you to deduce that whatever the reformation concluded was amis with the ancient RCC, must have been the only things that had been misinterpreted? Pretty sure the "reformation" was guilty of some pretty heinous atrocities. Or are we not to know them by their fruits?
Your conclusion doesn’t follow. Islam is not at all valid, but we are talking about Christian beliefs, are we not? Given that the doctrine of the Trinity was being discovered from the second to fourth centuries and it has been the official position of orthodox Christianity since AD 325.Withstood the test of time!? You must not think 2/3rds of the abrahamic faiths are valid whatsoever...so I guess you can alro disregard all of the it and any other non nt writings?
Those things aren't right but that doesn't determine the truth of a matter. Besides, that argument cuts both ways, so isn't really useful to your position:Making a doctrine law of the land and condemning, murdering, and exiling all who oppose all while burning any contrary evidence and writings is not standing the test of time to me. Nor is landgrabbing, pillaging, and waging war things I would consider fruit of the Spirit filled believer or body of Christ.
"Thus, if a Roman emperor was disposed favorably toward Arian ideas—as Constantius and Valens were—bishops supporting the creed formulated at Nicaea could be severely punished, most often by being deposed and exiled. If an emperor favoring Nicaea was in power, Arian believers would suffer."
https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-85/how-arianism-almost-won.html
And I have read of those like you but came to see the Trinity or deity of Christ on their own. Being genuine doesn't determine truth either.I'm not a scholar, but I am genuine and came into faith without any bias and with an opened heart.
The Trinity emerges from the Bible by taking all that God reveals into account, thereby taking all things in context. It is a consistent and coherent reading throughout the NT with hints in the OT. The Bible is based on progressive revelation, after all.The trinity doctrine is read into scripture via sporadic piecemeal, and gross misunderstanding. Similar to how the supposed jew misunderstood all things regarding faith nearly.
How can it? Jesus is talking about salvation.How can the many refer to the world? To me it refers strictly to the supposed believer alone.
That’s what we are doing, is it not?Let's discuss
Again, that’s what we’re doing, is it not?I do not agree. Something else to discuss.
But, again, flesh isn’t deity and has no part in the ontological nature of God.1) Father
2) the Holy Spirit
3) Jesus (wholly man)
4) Jesus (wholly GOD)
Not at all. It’s all there, quite clearly in the Bible. The only way to see something different is by taking things out of context.That is said no where in any scripture or sacred texts relating even loosely to Christianity; unless you seek out Gnostic writings perhaps; and even then...
And yet, the three persons are continuously differentiated and each spoken of in ways that only God is spoken of.I disagree. The one "substance" is the Holy Spirit which is GOD.
So, the Holy Spirit is spoken as the Spirit of the Father, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of God, among other names. This simply shows what Trinitarians teach, namely, that each person interpenetrates the other, since they are of the same substance.I disagree again; Matthew 10:20