The true teachings of Jesus

[Free]

Hebrews is a quote of Psalm, so it is speaking of Jehovah in both spots. Because as you can see verse 8 clearly shows Jesus has a God and he has partners( Angels)- verse10 is Jehovah.

You're completely avoiding the obvious point. While Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoting Psalms 102:25-27, the reason it is being quoted is important. And that reason is given in Hebrews 1:8--it is God, the Father, speaking "in reference to the Son" or, as the NWT Study Edition puts it, "But about the Son, he says." In other words, God is saying that it is the Son being spoken of as the Creator. It is God applying the name Jehovah to the Son.

There is no getting around it. Just one more contradiction between what the Watchtower teaches and what their own translation teaches.

What are your thoughts on Romans 10:9-13?

‘9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. There is the same Lord over all, who is rich toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”’ (NWT)

This one is a bit tricky, but if you do a bit of study, you will find that it, too, is applying an OT passage about Jehovah to Jesus. That is, to call on the name of Jesus is to call on the name of Jehovah.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Try believing Jesus then. here is a comparison for you
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you(Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.
Trinity clergy-God is a trinity
one of those is in error. Its not Jesus.

IF that were the only Bible Verse in existence, I would agree with you. It implies the only Person who is God, is the Father.

But it is not and the following text proves "the implication" the Father alone is God, is incorrect.

Scripture explicitly declares the Word (whom God Sent Forth) is also God:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
(Jn. 1:1-3 NKJ)

The Only True God "made all things", therefore "the Word" is also the "only True God" just like the Father.

Scripture cannot contradict itself, therefore it is always 100% self consistent. The only way BOTH John 17:3 and John 1:1-3 are "consistent" is where the doctrine of "One Only True God in Three Divine Persons" is correct.

Scripture cannot be broken just because the Society doesn't agree with it. We must obey God rather than men:

33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law,`I said, "You are gods "'?
35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world,`You are blaspheming,' because I said,`I am the Son of God '? (Jn. 10:33-37 NKJ)

The Society misdirects your attention away from Jesus making Himself God, as the Jews rightly observed.

The Watch Tower has you focus on Christ words which prevented the mob from stoning Him for "blasphemy".

BUT Christ the Master "street preacher" used scripture to confuse the Mob, so they were prevented from stoning Him because of their confusion.

Nothing in Christ's reply denies He "being a Man, make Yourself God." THAT is precisely what Jesus did. AND He reaffirmed it when He repeated "I am the Son of God."

But now the Mob no longer trusted their interpretation of Jesus' claim, so they couldn't stone Him.

But we who read the Holy Scripture and believe it see in Christ's claim He is the Only Begotten Son of the Father that He must be "God the Son."

BECAUSE, just as we don't beget "sub-human" sons, neither did God the Father beget a sub-god" Son.

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. (Jn. 20:28-31 NKJ)

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus truth shows who is who

John 17:3-- This means eternal life, their knowing you(Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Christ Jesus.

Trinity clergy--God is a trinity

Someone is in error, its not Jesus.

You need to read the full context of John 17:1-11 to see that God and Jesus are one in the same from before the foundation of the world. This is the High Priestly prayer of Jesus as His hour had come.


Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Once again here are all the scriptures that show Jesus as being God. If you want to ignore them over that which man teaches you then that is your choice.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

 

[for_his_glory]

I am taught by the teachers Jesus appointed-Matt 24:45 are those teachers. And at the proper time, truths get revealed through them.

So you are saying then that the Watchtower society are your teachers and all truth is revealed through them?

 

[for_his_glory]

Rev 14:3= 144,000--The Israelite religion is cut off( Matt 23:38-39) Thus spiritual Israel is who the revelation writer speaks of=Gods chosen, its not literal Israel. John had no clue what the religion would be called in the last days, he referred to them as Israel, just meaning Gods chosen. Many things are disguised in revelation.

This verse in Rev 14:3 is a reference to the 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel that is found in Rev 7:1-8. Continuing with vs. 9 we read of all the Gentiles that are also sealed, Ephesians 4:30, as the 144,000 are as all together they have come out from great tribulation in the end of days and stand before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

 

[jaybo]

I am taught by the teachers Jesus appointed-Matt 24:45 are those teachers. And at the proper time, truths get revealed through them.

By that concept, I and other Christians are also taught by those same teachers.

And you didn't answer my other question: Where did you get the figure of 34,000 denominations?

 

[jaybo]

Hebrews is a quote of Psalm, so it is speaking of Jehovah in both spots. Because as you can see verse 8 clearly shows Jesus has a God and he has partners( Angels)- verse10 is Jehovah.

Hebrews 1:8-12, "But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
And,

“In the beginning, Lord, you founded the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like clothing;
like a cloak you will roll them up,
and like clothing they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will never end.”

John 1:1-3a, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being."

So this isn't about God the Father but about Jesus the Son, who is also God.

 

[keiw1]

You're completely avoiding the obvious point. While Hebrews 1:10-12 is quoting Psalms 102:25-27, the reason it is being quoted is important. And that reason is given in Hebrews 1:8--it is God, the Father, speaking "in reference to the Son" or, as the NWT Study Edition puts it, "But about the Son, he says." In other words, God is saying that it is the Son being spoken of as the Creator. It is God applying the name Jehovah to the Son.

There is no getting around it. Just one more contradiction between what the Watchtower teaches and what their own translation teaches.

What are your thoughts on Romans 10:9-13?

‘9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. There is the same Lord over all, who is rich toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”’ (NWT)

This one is a bit tricky, but if you do a bit of study, you will find that it, too, is applying an OT passage about Jehovah to Jesus. That is, to call on the name of Jesus is to call on the name of Jehovah.

Talking about the real Jesus At romans 10:9
Joel 2:21-22--Those who call on the name of YHWH will be saved. Not Jesus, his Father Jehovah.

 

[keiw1]

IF that were the only Bible Verse in existence, I would agree with you. It implies the only Person who is God, is the Father.

But it is not and the following text proves "the implication" the Father alone is God, is incorrect.

Scripture explicitly declares the Word (whom God Sent Forth) is also God:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
(Jn. 1:1-3 NKJ)

The Only True God "made all things", therefore "the Word" is also the "only True God" just like the Father.

Scripture cannot contradict itself, therefore it is always 100% self consistent. The only way BOTH John 17:3 and John 1:1-3 are "consistent" is where the doctrine of "One Only True God in Three Divine Persons" is correct.

Scripture cannot be broken just because the Society doesn't agree with it. We must obey God rather than men:

33 The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law,`I said, "You are gods "'?
35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world,`You are blaspheming,' because I said,`I am the Son of God '? (Jn. 10:33-37 NKJ)

The Society misdirects your attention away from Jesus making Himself God, as the Jews rightly observed.

The Watch Tower has you focus on Christ words which prevented the mob from stoning Him for "blasphemy".

BUT Christ the Master "street preacher" used scripture to confuse the Mob, so they were prevented from stoning Him because of their confusion.

Nothing in Christ's reply denies He "being a Man, make Yourself God." THAT is precisely what Jesus did. AND He reaffirmed it when He repeated "I am the Son of God."

But now the Mob no longer trusted their interpretation of Jesus' claim, so they couldn't stone Him.

But we who read the Holy Scripture and believe it see in Christ's claim He is the Only Begotten Son of the Father that He must be "God the Son."

BECAUSE, just as we don't beget "sub-human" sons, neither did God the Father beget a sub-god" Son.

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. (Jn. 20:28-31 NKJ)

I told you in the Greek lexicons, the true God is called Ho Theos in the 2nd line at John 1:1-The word got plain Theos in the last line-- to clearly show the difference= a god.

 

[keiw1]

You need to read the full context of John 17:1-11 to see that God and Jesus are one in the same from before the foundation of the world. This is the High Priestly prayer of Jesus as His hour had come.


Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Once again here are all the scriptures that show Jesus as being God. If you want to ignore them over that which man teaches you then that is your choice.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Scriptures altered by catholicism translating to fit their false council teaching that god is a trinity. in 381 a trinity started being served, not before because the true followers served the Abrahamic God= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah).
They are one in purpose not in being. Try believing Jesus= John 20:17, Rev 3:12, John 4:22-24

 

[keiw1]

So you are saying then that the Watchtower society are your teachers and all truth is revealed through them?

Who else on earth has made corrections in front of all creation? Especially when these hidden truths were revealed-Daniel 12:4- at the proper time=Matt 24:45

 

[keiw1]

This verse in Rev 14:3 is a reference to the 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel that is found in Rev 7:1-8. Continuing with vs. 9 we read of all the Gentiles that are also sealed, Ephesians 4:30, as the 144,000 are as all together they have come out from great tribulation in the end of days and stand before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

The great crowd of other sheep, no man can number will stand before the throne while on earth. There wont be any other ruling power then except for Gods kingdom rule. One thing shows symbolism about the 144,000 being virgins to women--Peter is apart of that little flock, he was married thus virgins meant something else-virgins to all the false religions.

 

[keiw1]

By that concept, I and other Christians are also taught by those same teachers.

And you didn't answer my other question: Where did you get the figure of 34,000 denominations?

Wikipedia said something to that effect--they have some big lists of different ones. The fact remains--they are a house divided, they will not stand. They cant understand this simple bible milk=a true mark--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.

 

[keiw1]

Hebrews 1:8-12, "But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”
And,

“In the beginning, Lord, you founded the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like clothing;
like a cloak you will roll them up,
and like clothing they will be changed.
But you are the same,
and your years will never end.”

John 1:1-3a, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being."

So this isn't about God the Father but about Jesus the Son, who is also God.

Your John is altered by catholicism translating. Even in there own translating =the Greek Lexicons--The true God is called HoTheos in the second line=The God, plain Theos is in the last line. clearly to show a difference of what is being said-plain Theos = a god when HoTheos is used in the same paragraph.

 

[Free]

Talking about the real Jesus At romans 10:9
Joel 2:21-22--Those who call on the name of YHWH will be saved. Not Jesus, his Father Jehovah.

You're missing the point. Paul is using the passage in Joel and applying it to Jesus. That is, to call on Jesus is the same as calling on Jehovah.

And what of the passage in Hebrews where God calls the Son Jehovah?

 

[jaybo]

Talking about the real Jesus At romans 10:9
Joel 2:21-22--Those who call on the name of YHWH will be saved. Not Jesus, his Father Jehovah.

Are you okay?

Romans 10:8-10, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach), because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation."

Joel 2:21-22,
"Do not fear, my land.
Rejoice and be glad,
because the Lord has accomplished great things!
Do not fear, wild animals.
For the pastures of the wilderness are again green with grass.
Indeed, the trees bear their fruit;
the fig tree and the vine yield to their fullest."

Joel 2:31-32 says...
"The sunlight will be turned to darkness
and the moon to the color of blood,
before the day of the Lord comes—
that great and terrible day!
It will so happen that
everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be delivered.
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who survive,
just as the Lord has promised;
the remnant will be those whom the Lord will call.
It will so happen that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be delivered."

What is the point of your post?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I told you in the Greek lexicons, the true God is called Ho Theos in the 2nd line at John 1:1-The word got plain Theos in the last line-- to clearly show the difference= a god.

AND I showed you Jesus is called Ho Theos by Thomas, and not rebuked.

In fact, those who believe Jesus is Ho Theos "without seeing" are "blessed":

Καὶ ἀπεκρίθη Θωμᾶς, καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ, Ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου. (Jn. 20:28 BYZ)
And Thomas answered and said unto him, THE Lord of me and THE GOD of me.


Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (Jn. 20:29 KJV)


So Orthodox Trinitarians are "blessed" for believing Jesus is Ho Theos!

What is the opposite of being blessed by the Son of the Living God?

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (Jn. 8:24 KJV)

 

[for_his_glory]

Scriptures altered by catholicism translating to fit their false council teaching that god is a trinity. in 381 a trinity started being served, not before because the true followers served the Abrahamic God= a single being God-YHWH(Jehovah).
They are one in purpose not in being. Try believing Jesus= John 20:17, Rev 3:12, John 4:22-24

I'm not Catholic nor am I affiliated with any church at the moment. You just choose to neglect all the scriptures I gave you to read about Jesus also being coequal to God as part of the Godhead.

It's the false teachings and false Bible of the Watchtower that are deceiving you.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not allowed to salute the flag of any nation, recite the pledge of allegiance, stand for or sing the national anthem, run for public office, vote, or serve in the armed forces.

Try believing that which is written that is separate from the Watchtower teachings.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Please do not think that we are coming against you, but trying to show you how deceptive the Watchtower society is in leading you to believe the lies of Satan. Many, including my own sister, have discovered how evil this society is and have left to seek truth.

 

[jaybo]

I'm not Catholic nor am I affiliated with any church at the moment. You just choose to neglect all the scriptures I gave you to read about Jesus also being coequal to God as part of the Godhead.

It's the false teachings and false Bible of the Watchtower that are deceiving you.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are not allowed to salute the flag of any nation, recite the pledge of allegiance, stand for or sing the national anthem, run for public office, vote, or serve in the armed forces.

Try believing that which is written that is separate from the Watchtower teachings.

Scriptures that reference Jesus being referred to as God:
John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8, 9; 1 John 5:7, 8, 20; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14; Isaiah 9:6; 44:6; Luke 1:35; Matthew 1:23; 28:19; John 14:16, 17; Genesis 1:1, 2 (cross reference John 1:1-14); 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 4:4-6; Colossians 1:15-17; John 14:9-11; Philippians 2:5-8; Rev 1:8

Please do not think that we are coming against you, but trying to show you how deceptive the Watchtower society is in leading you to believe the lies of Satan. Many, including my own sister, have discovered how evil this society is and have left to seek truth.

Thanks for posting this!!!

 

[keiw1]

You're missing the point. Paul is using the passage in Joel and applying it to Jesus. That is, to call on Jesus is the same as calling on Jehovah.

And what of the passage in Hebrews where God calls the Son Jehovah?

No actually in your altered translations you have LORD and Lord at Joel and the 2 spots in NT where its quoted. YHWH belongs at all 3 spots in real translating. Now you see with Gods name removed by satans will it misleads one into untruth. Thus one cannot accomplish this-John 4:22-24. All using altered translations are supporting satans will over Gods will. God put his name in 7000 places-OT-NT because he wants it there.