The true teachings of Jesus

[keiw1]

What did the symbolism mean, what story did it tell?

The spirits in prision were referring to the fallen angels-pre flood. They came down had sex with women and produced children called-Nephlim-- They are kind of in prision symbolically because they are doomed to eternal destruction.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

He that heareth you heareth me Lk.10:16

But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Mt.10:19-20

I guess if God hasn't taught us what to say, we should put our hands over our mouths.

 

[Alfred Persson]

The spirits in prision were referring to the fallen angels-pre flood. They came down had sex with women and produced children called-Nephlim-- They are kind of in prision symbolically because they are doomed to eternal destruction.

Why would God use symbolic lies to teach truth? The text reads Christ was "made alive" in his human spirit and in that state preached to spirits in prison, whoever they are.

The symbolism is of a soul or spirit surviving physical death and God quickens it, gives it strength and in that "state" Jesus preaches to "spirits in prison". The symbolism teaches life after death, not non-existence after death.

So why would God use lies in symbolic form, to teach non-existence after physical death?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Why would God use symbolic lies to teach truth? The text reads Christ was "made alive" in his human spirit and in that state preached to spirits in prison, whoever they are.

The symbolism is of a soul or spirit surviving physical death and God quickens it, gives it strength and in that "state" Jesus preaches to "spirits in prison". The symbolism teaches life after death, not non-existence after death.

So why would God use lies in symbolic form, to teach non-existence after physical death?

he went and preached.....in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing...
1Pet.3:19-20

Our Lord spoke through Noah to people who are now imprisoned by death.

 

[Alfred Persson]

he went and preached.....in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing...
1Pet.3:19-20

Our Lord spoke through Noah to people who are now imprisoned by death.

I don't agree. I posted what I believe here:

Who are the spirits in prison? | End Time News

Discuss this article at EndTimeNewsForum.net Who are these "spirits in prison"? 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits

endtimenews.net

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I don't agree. I posted what I believe here:

Who are the spirits in prison? | End Time News

Discuss this article at EndTimeNewsForum.net Who are these "spirits in prison"? 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits

endtimenews.net

Thanks. I couldn't open the wensite to read your article.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Thanks. I couldn't open the wensite to read your article.

It may have been updating. Anytime that happens, try again after a minute. I just opened it clicking the link in your reply.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The teachings of Jesus who many claim to serve, found in every translation on earth. Its a 100% guarantee the teachers who have Jesus teach exactly what he taught.

1) Matthew 6:33-- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality-Matt 6)

2) Matthew 5:5-- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth( the great crowd which no man can number(Rev 7:9) this is to) The little flock( Luke 12:32) are numbered=144,000-Rev 14:3) these are promised heaven

3) The Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name-YHWH(Jehovah)--Some translations, last line-The kingdom, power and glory belong to the Father.

4)John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Jesus teaches, the Father is his God just like ours--Paul and Peter( his real teachers) teach the same- Coll 1:3, Ephesians 1:13,17, 2Cor 1:3--1Peter 1:3

5) John 17:1-6,26--A prayer to his Father-- verse 3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father)( Father sent Jesus) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing Jesus-- verse 6= YHWH(Jehovah) verse 26= YHWH(Jehovah)

6) John 15:20-21) Jesus warns that on account of his name( thinking are standing up for it) will do things against the true followers because they do not know the one who sent him= Father= YHWH(Jehovah)

7) Luke 18:19-- Jesus tells all, no one good but God, after they called him good, clearly showing he is not God.

8) John 4:22-24-- Jesus begins by warning about the false gods being served, then makes it clear--The true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth--not Father, Son and holy spirit.

Again i say its 100% fact-The real teachers that have Jesus teach exactly what he taught.

Actually, they live what he taught.

 

[keiw1]

Why would God use symbolic lies to teach truth? The text reads Christ was "made alive" in his human spirit and in that state preached to spirits in prison, whoever they are.

The symbolism is of a soul or spirit surviving physical death and God quickens it, gives it strength and in that "state" Jesus preaches to "spirits in prison". The symbolism teaches life after death, not non-existence after death.

So why would God use lies in symbolic form, to teach non-existence after physical death?

The bible is clear--All thought stops on the day of ones death. So they werent mortal spirits. They were fallen angel spirits if anyone. Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days. The fallen angels live on earth with satan. It was symbolism.

 

[keiw1]

Actually, they live what he taught.

Few know what he teaches so its hard to believe him and live what he taught. And impossible to obey him. Most clergy teach dogmas taught in the schools of men and little of what Jesus teaches, that is what they are paid for. The ones asking for tithes and assuring others you are saved is a guarantee are these-2Cor 11:12-15)

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Few know what he teaches so its hard to believe him and live what he taught. And impossible to obey him. Most clergy teach dogmas taught in the schools of men and little of what Jesus teaches, that is what they are paid for. The ones asking for tithes and assuring others you are saved is a guarantee are these-2Cor 11:12-15)

Then how can anyone teach 100% the teachings of Jesus if “Few know what he teaches so its hard to believe him and live what he taught.” How can you have a “100% guarantee the teachers who have Jesus teach exactly what he taught?”

 

[Alfred Persson]

The bible is clear--All thought stops on the day of ones death. So they werent mortal spirits. They were fallen angel spirits if anyone. Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days. The fallen angels live on earth with satan. It was symbolism.

You missed my question. WHY would God use lies to picture truth? The symbolism shows soul/spirit surviving physical death, and preaching to spirits who also are dead but in prison.

Anyone reading that would conclude spirits survive physical death. That Jesus was actually in Hades, spiritually alive and preaching, for three days.

If that isn't true then God is teaching lies!

Why would God do that?

Isn't it more likely JWs are wrong about life after death, about Hades being only the grave? That Jesus was actually in Hades, spiritually alive and preaching, for three days?

 

[keiw1]

Then how can anyone teach 100% the teachings of Jesus if “Few know what he teaches so its hard to believe him and live what he taught.” How can you have a “100% guarantee the teachers who have Jesus teach exactly what he taught?”

My teachers do. They listened to Jesus. Who teaches--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God.
The best way to accomplish that is for example--This week the bible reading given is Genesis chapters 1-3. Then those taking the lead discuss at the next meeting the major points all need to see and apply, then ask the flock--what points did you appreciate--Then all learn every point from Gods teaching in the chapters given. The following week, Genesis chap 4-6-- on and on week after week it never stops. New ones come in or are born, so it never stops. Plus imperfect mortals can forget things over periods of time. Sometimes only 2 chapters if they are long. The teachers that have Jesus make 100% sure that super important teaching in the first line gets accomplished without fail. Otherwise they are failing both Jesus and the flock. I say now--His real teachers do just that already without fail. So all can look to see if their teachers belong to Jesus, not just in word, but in actions. The teachers who belong to Jesus do not fail him or the flock.

 

[keiw1]

You missed my question. WHY would God use lies to picture truth? The symbolism shows soul/spirit surviving physical death, and preaching to spirits who also are dead but in prison.

Anyone reading that would conclude spirits survive physical death. That Jesus was actually in Hades, spiritually alive and preaching, for three days.

If that isn't true then God is teaching lies!

Why would God do that?

Isn't it more likely JWs are wrong about life after death, about Hades being only the grave? That Jesus was actually in Hades, spiritually alive and preaching, for three days?

God disguised many truths(Daniel 12:4) to keep satan and his angels in darkness, otherwise they would have screwed it all up centuries ago. They did screw alot up through the religion that came out of Rome centuries ago, but at Dan 12:4 it assures truth becomes abundant here in these last days. Through the teachers Jesus appointed-Matt 24:45--They fixed the errors at the proper time. Yes mortals were kept in darkness as well but could still learn many truths and practice to be good and not wicked through the years. All of those have died and paid their wages of sin. Those living to see the tribulation and Armageddon come need to have truth( John 4:22-24) to be brought through into Gods kingdom rule.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

It may have been updating. Anytime that happens, try again after a minute. I just opened it clicking the link in your reply.

Yes, I opened it.
You know bro, the Bible doesn't never specifically says fallen angels had sex with women and there are very good reasonswhy that belief should be rejected.
One is that the devil was cast out of heaven long ago and didn't take human form. He remains a spirit as all fallen angels do.
Another is that we know our Lord by the Holy Spirit preached to the prophets and Noah was one of them. Death is like a prison in the sense that once people die, there is no more they can do on earth, for or against God.
Finally, there is no readon to preach to the dead.

 

[keiw1]

Yes, I opened it.
You know bro, the Bible doesn't never specifically says fallen angels had sex with women and there are very good reasonswhy that belief should be rejected.
One is that the devil was cast out of heaven long ago and didn't take human form. He remains a spirit as all fallen angels do.
Another is that we know our Lord by the Holy Spirit preached to the prophets and Noah was one of them. Death is like a prison in the sense that once people die, there is no more they can do on earth, for or against God.
Finally, there is no readon to preach to the dead.

They most assuredly had sex with women and the bible says the offspring were called Nephlim-giant very violent. One of the reasons God flooded the earth to rid it of them. Satan was cast out of heaven after the war in heaven which occurs in the last days. I believe its the ride of the white horse( righteous war) at Rev 6-- Because of that it says peace was taken from the earth. Thus not a single war, a world war, ww1 to be precise-- After ww1 millions upon millions died all over earth= other 3 riders.

 

[JLB]

Yes-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--He has a God just like we do.

His Father is His authority, but the Father, The Word and the Spirit are one God; Elohim, Godhead.


Words of Christ in red -


Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:7-8


I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:10-11


And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Revelation 1:17-18


“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:12-13


“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6


Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
Isaiah 48:12

• Jesus Christ is Lord; YHWH, the Lord God Almighty.

He is coming again, with all His saints.


Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5


For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 5::22-23

• He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

If you don’t honor the Son as God, then you likewise do not the Father as God.





JLB

 

[journeymanisnothing]

They most assuredly had sex with women and the bible says the offspring were called Nephlim-giant very violent. One of the reasons God flooded the earth to rid it of them.

The Bible never describes Nephilim as anything but men and God flooded the earth because of mans wickedness..
It's ok with me, because believing Nephilim are other worldly won't affect salvation.

Satan was cast out of heaven after the war in heaven which occurs in the last days. I believe its the ride of the white horse( righteous war) at Rev 6-- Because of that it says peace was taken from the earth. Thus not a single war, a world war, ww1 to be precise-- After ww1 millions upon millions died all over earth= other 3 riders.

I have an odd way of seeing Heaven in relation to Earth. I believe God made earth as a reflection of Heaven and things that happened there long ago, (Satan rebellion and expulsion/Adam rebellion and expulsion.) Although men may be redeemed, while it appears spirits may not.

 

[keiw1]

His Father is His authority, but the Father, The Word and the Spirit are one God; Elohim, Godhead.


Words of Christ in red -


Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 1:7-8


I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:10-11


And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Revelation 1:17-18


“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:12-13


“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6


Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last.
Isaiah 48:12

• Jesus Christ is Lord; YHWH, the Lord God Almighty.

He is coming again, with all His saints.


Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5


For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 5::22-23

• He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

If you don’t honor the Son as God, then you likewise do not the Father as God.





JLB

Every Hebrew scholar on earth will tell you Elohim is not plural for the true living God in their Hebrew written OT, only for false trinity gods served back then and now.
Yes Honorthe son, not worship him. Jesus warned all of you about your false Gods at John 4:22-24 then told all creation--the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth---Not Father, son and holy spirit. Paul told all the same at 1 Cor 8:5-6--warned of the false gods then named only the Father as the true God.

 

[keiw1]

The Bible never describes Nephilim as anything but men and God flooded the earth because of mans wickedness..
It's ok with me, because believing Nephilim are other worldly won't affect salvation.

I have an odd way of seeing Heaven in relation to Earth. I believe God made earth as a reflection of Heaven and things that happened there long ago, (Satan rebellion and expulsion/Adam rebellion and expulsion.) Although men may be redeemed, while it appears spirits may not.

Revelation is about these last days. All have been watching it occur. But Jesus warned all that these last days would be as Noahs day( over 99% mislead) and said the world took no note. Luke 17:26