The true teachings of Jesus

[journeymanisnothing]

Revelation is about these last days. All have been watching it occur. But Jesus warned all that these last days would be as Noahs day( over 99% mislead) and said the world took no note. Luke 17:26

Revelation is about Christs' revelation, or his unveiling, or making himself known. It's a book of symbols, showing why God entered this world in the person of the Messiah and his effect on people.
He promised to make himself known to people who have heard what he said and believe what he said. His disciples discovered the reason for his sufferings through their own sufferings because of his name.
As they wandered about, spreading good news for the welfare of all people and being persecuted because of it, they had a better understanding of Gods' love and patience for all mankind.
Of course it will be like Noahs' day at the "end", but that time (except for the numbers) is really no different than it was for the prophets ot apostles, because persecution to death is the same in any age.
I suspect that's why they referred to their own days as the end times.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

My teachers do. They listened to Jesus. Who teaches--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God.
The best way to accomplish that is for example--This week the bible reading given is Genesis chapters 1-3. Then those taking the lead discuss at the next meeting the major points all need to see and apply, then ask the flock--what points did you appreciate--Then all learn every point from Gods teaching in the chapters given. The following week, Genesis chap 4-6-- on and on week after week it never stops. New ones come in or are born, so it never stops. Plus imperfect mortals can forget things over periods of time. Sometimes only 2 chapters if they are long. The teachers that have Jesus make 100% sure that super important teaching in the first line gets accomplished without fail. Otherwise they are failing both Jesus and the flock. I say now--His real teachers do just that already without fail. So all can look to see if their teachers belong to Jesus, not just in word, but in actions. The teachers who belong to Jesus do not fail him or the flock.

My suspicion is that you’re in for a very unpleasant rude awakening one day in one of those.

But I hope not.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Revelation is about Christs' revelation, or his unveiling, or making himself known. It's a book of symbols, showing why God entered this world in the person of the Messiah and his effect on people.
He promised to make himself known to people who have heard what he said and believe what he said. His disciples discovered the reason for his sufferings through their own sufferings because of his name.
As they wandered about, spreading good news for the welfare of all people and being persecuted because of it, they had a better understanding of Gods' love and patience for all mankind.
Of course it will be like Noahs' day at the "end", but that time (except for the numbers) is really no different than it was for the prophets ot apostles, because persecution to death is the same in any age.
I suspect that's why they referred to their own days as the end times.

Greetings Journeyman, pretty good posts as far as it goes. But I think they referred to their own days as the end times because it was the end of that age, the Mosaic covenant was ended in 70 AD. It was the end of that age.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:56-59

• Why did the Jews pick up stones to put Jesus to death for saying He was I Am?

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”
And he said, “Here I am.”
Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:1-6

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14


looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:1


The scriptures teach us the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets, and they spoke by the Spirit of Christ. —


Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:9-10



The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:1,10



The scriptures teach us the Son, created the heavens and the earth —


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.




WAKE UP!







JLB

It helps to know JW teaching when your dealing with one of them.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Greetings Journeyman, pretty good posts as far as it goes. But I think they referred to their own days as the end times because it was the end of that age, the Mosaic covenant was ended in 70 AD. It was the end of that age.

It's a strange thing, because just before expounding on the law, Jesus said,

Till heaven and earth pass,one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mt.5:18

Later we see,

a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth andt he heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev.20:11

Heaven and earth vanished at the presence of Christ sitting on the Throne of God. I believe this is an example of how the creation of earth is like "looking through a glass darkly (a mirror) of heaven. The separation between these "locations" was no longer necessary, because we clearly see God as he truly is, as mankind saw him darkly in the person of Jesus.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It's a strange thing, because just before expounding on the law, Jesus said,

Till heaven and earth pass,one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mt.5:18

The moral law didn’t end. The Mosaic Covenant did. There is no temple where Jews can go to
meet God in Jerusalem. God made sure it will never be built on the mount. That covenant is over. The law not to kill, etc., of course, goes on. I mean, we don’t offer animal sacrifice. That ended.

Later we see,

a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth andt he heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev.20:11

Heaven and earth vanished at the presence of Christ sitting on the Throne of God. I believe this is an example of how the creation of earth is like "looking through a glass darkly (a mirror) of heaven. The separation between these "locations" was no longer necessary, because we clearly see God as he truly is, as mankind saw him darkly in the person of Jesus.

This isn’t clear to me what you mean. First you say Heaven and earth vanish which means all life in both places is also gone…no men and no angels. All annihilated. Then you say the separation of these places that just vanished is gone and we see Him. Can you clarify this please?

 

[keiw1]

Revelation is about Christs' revelation, or his unveiling, or making himself known. It's a book of symbols, showing why God entered this world in the person of the Messiah and his effect on people.
He promised to make himself known to people who have heard what he said and believe what he said. His disciples discovered the reason for his sufferings through their own sufferings because of his name.
As they wandered about, spreading good news for the welfare of all people and being persecuted because of it, they had a better understanding of Gods' love and patience for all mankind.
Of course it will be like Noahs' day at the "end", but that time (except for the numbers) is really no different than it was for the prophets ot apostles, because persecution to death is the same in any age.
I suspect that's why they referred to their own days as the end times.

The bible is clear God sent someone, he did not send himself.. The scarlet colored beast stands right now. the 2 horned beast of Rev 13 stands right now.

 

[keiw1]

My suspicion is that you’re in for a very unpleasant rude awakening one day in one of those.

But I hope not.

Not at all, my teachers listen to everything Jesus taught and shares those truths with us. Jesus teachings back my teachers in every translation on earth. Your translations contradict Jesus to the core in other error teachings.
Example-- Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do-John 20:17--God does not have a God-- proving 100% besides all the other proof--no capitol G God belongs in the last line at John 1:1--Your own Greek lexicons back that fact as well.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The moral law didn’t end. The Mosaic Covenant did. There is no temple where Jews can go to
meet God in Jerusalem. God made sure it will never be built on the mount. That covenant is over. The law not to kill, etc., of course, goes on. I mean, we don’t offer animal sacrifice. That ended.

This isn’t clear to me what you mean. First you say Heaven and earth vanish which means all life in both places is also gone…no men and no angels. All annihilated. Then you say the separation of these places that just vanished is gone and we see Him. Can you clarify this please?

Sorry Dorothy Mae. I didn't mean to give the impression that Heaven and earth aren't seen, but the difference between them is no longer seen. For instance, the temple and sacrifices you mentioned are "shadows" of him. They're indistinguishable.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The bible is clear God sent someone, he did not send himself.. The scarlet colored beast stands right now. the 2 horned beast of Rev 13 stands right now.

I believe God did send himself in his Son, who is different from the other witnesses he sent, in that there can be no disputing his testimony. Look at what Paul saya,

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1Cor.15:28

By "subjection", Paul is referring to the resurrection from the dead. Look at the context of this chapter. Believers are subjected to Christ (made like him) by the resurrection, which also shows his true nature, that the God who created us, suffered for us and defeared death...may be all.

 

[jaybo]

The bible is clear God sent someone, he did not send himself.. The scarlet colored beast stands right now. the 2 horned beast of Rev 13 stands right now.

Where do you think this scarlet-colored beast is right now?

 

[jaybo]

Not at all, my teachers listen to everything Jesus taught and shares those truths with us. Jesus teachings back my teachers in every translation on earth. Your translations contradict Jesus to the core in other error teachings.
Example-- Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do-John 20:17--God does not have a God-- proving 100% besides all the other proof--no capitol G God belongs in the last line at John 1:1--Your own Greek lexicons back that fact as well.

Jesus and God the Father share one essence; they are therefore both God. Jesus, when He was on earth in human form, showed us how to relate to God (because He and the Father were one).

If you understood Koine Greek you wouldn't make a statement like "no capitol G God belongs in the last line at John 1:1". There was no capitalization and lower case.

 

[keiw1]

I believe God did send himself in his Son, who is different from the other witnesses he sent, in that there can be no disputing his testimony. Look at what Paul saya,

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 1Cor.15:28

By "subjection", Paul is referring to the resurrection from the dead. Look at the context of this chapter. Believers are subjected to Christ (made like him) by the resurrection, which also shows his true nature, that the God who created us, suffered for us and defeared death...may be all.

Yes Paul said Jesus will be subject to God as 1Cor 15:24-28 also brings that fact out. God is in subjection to no one.

 

[keiw1]

Where do you think this scarlet-colored beast is right now?

United nations. The image of the beast is-Peace and security-1Thess 5:3--that is why mortals will worship that image because it looks and sounds good to the mortal heart, but no mortal govt entities ever brought about peace and security that was lasting. Mexico sent a statue of a beast( looks like what is described at Rev 13:2 to the UN its inscription is peace and security.

 

[keiw1]

Jesus and God the Father share one essence; they are therefore both God. Jesus, when He was on earth in human form, showed us how to relate to God (because He and the Father were one).

If you understood Koine Greek you wouldn't make a statement like "no capitol G God belongs in the last line at John 1:1". There was no capitalization and lower case.

Actually in the Greek lexicons the true God in the second line is called Ho Theos--plain Theos in the last line clearly showing a difference-Thus small g god in the last line. Same goes at 2 Cor 4:4, God is called Ho Theos, satan is called Theos- god-same translating rule applys at both spots.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from those Greek lexicons, he compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct. 18 other translations had a god, 3 had was divine in the last line at John 1:1--rejected by every trinity clergy because the fact of that truth exposes them as false religion.

 

[jaybo]

United nations. The image of the beast is-Peace and security-1Thess 5:3--that is why mortals will worship that image because it looks and sounds good to the mortal heart, but no mortal govt entities ever brought about peace and security that was lasting. Mexico sent a statue of a beast( looks like what is described at Rev 13:2 to the UN its inscription is peace and security.

It must be terrible to live in such fear! I will ask God to give you His peace.

 

[jaybo]

Actually in the Greek lexicons the true God in the second line is called Ho Theos--plain Theos in the last line clearly showing a difference-Thus small g god in the last line. Same goes at 2 Cor 4:4, God is called Ho Theos, satan is called Theos- god-same translating rule applys at both spots.
In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from those Greek lexicons, he compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct. 18 other translations had a god, 3 had was divine in the last line at John 1:1--rejected by every trinity clergy because the fact of that truth exposes them as false religion.

Almost all translations have "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Amplified Bible has "In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself." The NET has "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God." The Orthodox Jewish Bible has " and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim!"

The overwhelming evidence is contrary to your interpretation.

 

[Free]

Actually in the Greek lexicons the true God in the second line is called Ho Theos--plain Theos in the last line clearly showing a difference-Thus small g god in the last line. Same goes at 2 Cor 4:4, God is called Ho Theos, satan is called Theos- god-same translating rule applys at both spots.

And Jesus is referred to as ho theos in Matt 1:23 and also directly called ho theos by Thomas in John 20:28.

In 1822 a Greek scholar translated the NT from those Greek lexicons, he compared Greek to English side by side to prove to the world a god is correct. 18 other translations had a god, 3 had was divine in the last line at John 1:1--rejected by every trinity clergy because the fact of that truth exposes them as false religion.

What was this Greek scholar's name?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Yes Paul said Jesus will be subject to God as 1Cor 15:24-28 also brings that fact out. God is in subjection to no one.

My friend, Paul is using "subjection" not in a way that means "lower than, less than, or beneath." He's using it in relation to the resurrection of the dead.

He reigned in mercy over sinners who hated him and reigns in us the same way,

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. vs.25

When the bodily resurrection occurs, death is no more,

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.....So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. vss.26,54

So our change, transformation, glorification, is the "subjection" Paul is speaking about.

He's saying we'll see Jesus "subjected" to God. That is, glorified as God.

It's very difficult to see the truth of what Paul means when we've been indoctrinated with false teaching. Look at it like you're reading it for thr first time with no preconceived notions. Look at the context of the whole chapter, which is the resurrection,

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised inpower: vs.43

 

[keiw1]

It must be terrible to live in such fear! I will ask God to give you His peace.

I have no fear of that. God is with his people. All who cant see what the scarlet beast is live in darkness