Third Temple Update

[nonbelieverforums]

What is the point of this constant copy and paste!!!!!! This is extremely annoying!!! Anyone who does such a thing does not know how to convey his own thinking. I will NOT even address this. Has anyone noticed that parousia70 graciously addresses these book-long posts but the poster almost completely ignores the things he posts!

Do your own work!

My goodness Mathew stop grasping at straws.. unless I am violating fourm rules I am within my right to cut and paste.

I am allowed post an article (as long as I post the writers credit). If I wish to post such an article for discussion that's how a forum works. Google "powered by vbulliten" to see how hundreds of forums work.

According to you I am a futurist so therefore I will be cutting and pasting current events from the media and showing how they relate to scripture constantly. The includes blogs and postings from other believers as well that's what forums are all about.

If I am not allowed to do this I would view it unfare to post the views of any futurist if you are controling the rules. Both yourself and Parousa are well on record for not reading or watching the media so if you won't do it I guess I will have to do it for you. Otherwise the debate is unfare. You are both well versed in scripture and I suspect retired with a long resume. I am a believer and it is always me debating the same three people by myself..

It just may take me a little longer to respond with scripture or I may use current events I find to back up things I post relating scripture and the current time.

Please give yourself a break !!

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Lets see... 5 points out of 101, twice a day = 10 days of this... Kewl!

Is there any kind of reward your looking for?? Points stars, is there a scrore board ?

 

[Sinthesis]

Lets see... 5 points out of 101, twice a day = 10 days of this... Kewl!

Is there any kind of reward your looking for?? Points stars, is there a scrore board ?

Do you concede parousia70's first five points, or will you rebut and try to defend your cut-and-paste?

 

[Matthew24:34]

Lets see... 5 points out of 101, twice a day = 10 days of this... Kewl!

Is there any kind of reward your looking for?? Points stars, is there a scrore board ?

Do you concede parousia70's first five points, or will you rebut and try to defend your cut-and-paste?

Most likely, as is his custom, nbf will NOT concede anything. He will simply stop the discussion and find something else to copy and paste! I have stopped reading his posts entirely. I only skimmed over the 101 "proofs" he provided. If we employed nbf's methodology, we should simply now ignore all of "his" 101 proofs and post our 101 time statements! Such "exchange" is pointless.

Matthew24:34

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Matthew:

You will ignore me and any scripture as it relates to the endtime events (or the prepration of endtime events) in the modern day. You will also ignore any media event I post with scripture and then say I am breaking the forum rules of posting as I didn't write it. You have done that to some others as well. Sorry I don't work for CNN and Time Magazine.

You always try to make it look sinful when Christians talk or write about modern day events (via what is in the media) suggesting we are ignoring scripture or not putting it first. How else do I know what is happening to my world except through trusted media.

The two of you remind me of children who when they play a game (and I am convinced it's one big game to parousa make no mistake about that,,) they start accusing the other of cheating when they are overwhelmed.

I have stated my view in the other post, unless you can convince me in overkill how Ezekiel 38 could of happened in the first century I am not convinced.

It's called denial brother and that's what your living in.. I pray your eyes will be opened one day,, what else can I do.

I do respect both of you with your outstanding knowledge of scripture and you have me beat. But I'm sorry no way.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Lets see... 5 points out of 101, twice a day = 10 days of this... Kewl!

Is there any kind of reward your looking for?? Points stars, is there a scrore board ?

Do you concede parousia70's first five points, or will you rebut and try to defend your cut-and-paste?

Sinthesis I look forward to the day when we might get a full paragraph out of you instead of one line.

http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/sta ... andup.html

 

[Drew]

The mainstream "futurist" view makes the mistake of not realizing that Jesus was enthroned 2000 years ago. The central question, I suggest, is not "when will Jesus be coming back again?" but rather "When will Jesus become king?". And the answer to that second question is precisely when the power that is presently enthroned in Jerusalem are overthrown.

And that happened in 70 AD.

 

[parousia70]

I do respect both of you with your outstanding knowledge of scripture and you have me beat.

So, if you say we understand scripture better than you, how can you continue to accuse us of incorrectly understanding of scripture?

 

[parousia70]

Lets see... 5 points out of 101, twice a day = 10 days of this... Kewl!

Is there any kind of reward your looking for?? Points stars, is there a scrore board ?

Nope, I, like Sinthesis, was hoping you'd offer a rebuttal to my conclusions on your first 5 points, and we could have a constructive debate.

Why on earth did you post those 101 points anyway? is there some kind of reward you are looking for?
or were you actually wanting to engage in a constructive debate about them?

Why don't you take my responses to your first 5 points, and show us why my conclusions are incorrect, or, you can concede the first 5 to me, and I'll tackle the next 5 today.

 

[parousia70]

I have stated my view in the other post, unless you can convince me in overkill how Ezekiel 38 could of happened in the first century I am not convinced.

OK, before I go into overkill mode on Ezekiel 38-39, I want you to explain the weaponry used in the battle Gog and Magog:

Ezek 38:4 NKJ
I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet;

Ezek 38:15 NKJ
Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you,all of them riding on horses , a great company and a mighty army.

Ezek 38:21 NKJ
I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,†says the Lord GOD. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother.

Ezek 39:3 NKJ
3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand

Ezekiel 39:9 NKJ
9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears

So NBF, as these passages point our quite clearly, this battle is fought by an army who is:
1) ALL ON HORSEBACK (38:15)
2) Wearing shields & weilding Swords (38:4,21)
3) Shooting arrows with Bows (39:3)
4) Tossing Spears and Javelins (39:9)

Is it your contention that this is the actual weaponry that will be used in this "future to us" battle as Ezekiel 38-39 LITERALLY describes, or does your view spiritualize the weaponry into modern weapons?

The weaponry alone should be proof enough, (if you take the passage literally), that this is not a 21st century battle.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Concede what it's not a game brother ? I don't believe any of it as there is no evience of it. You always say everyone is backing out or hiding. I have explained why I don't believe it twice now. It was the first post when you posted your 101.

I am not going to sit scripture to scripture for each it just won't end EVER. "You" asked me to provide you with prophecies that I believe to be fulfilled in the modern day, I did. If you want to go through them do it I don't care. I could do hundreds posts back and forth with you right arguing that a one world religion is being taugh right now via the New Age Movement and the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations. That alone could be a fulfillment of modern day prophecy. I don't even understand how a one world religion could have been transmitted across the globe in the first century.

You say time is running out for the Futurist view how so? Each day something new happens more and more towards modern day prophecy how is time running out? The evidence is in overkill, past overkill were beyond now to the point the events are happening in order.

Time is on our side, we see the warning signs you pretend its a coincidence over and over. I believe we are going to see Ezekiel 38 fulfilled in the next few years or so maybe less. How is time not in our favor when this happen your done. You won't even be on this site anymore. I just posted an article on Babylon today chew on that same old another coincidence.



You want to prove the futurist view wrong educate yourself in the events of our world rather then closing your eyes to it. It's not a sin to keep a sharpe eye on what's happening our world right now. No one is saying neglect scripture or the bible. My issue is you close your eyes to it and won't even discuss it.

Come down to our playing field,, Who is behind E.U.? Who controls the armies of the E.U.? Who is the most powerful man in the E.U.? What legislation give him his authority, if he retires who will replace him, Is our president a religious man? What will happens to Christians if the U.S. markets crash and we loose our life savings? What should Christians do if Iran attacks Israel or the United States? Who is the Madi and how does the current president of Iran think he can Summon him? What do the radicals believe about endtimes, what prophecies have been fulfilled in their view i.e. the Qur'an. Will the events in the middle east effect our gas prices what will happen to the U.S. economy if there is a middle east war?

Christians will be effected by the above regardless of any endtime, tribulation view or rapture view.

Talking with the two of you sometimes is like talking to martians. It's like your not even from this world and your blind to everything outside your kitchen door and your lap top.

I am starting to get bored.

 

[parousia70]

The mainstream "futurist" view makes the mistake of not realizing that Jesus was enthroned 2000 years ago.

That is the catch 22 of futurism Drew.
Jesus is King, ruling over all the universe presently, but somehow is not King at the same time and is subordinate to Satan on earth today.

No scripture supports such a notion,
But USA Today had an article today on the European Union, so that proves futurism.

 

[parousia70]

I believe we are going to see Ezekiel 38 fulfilled in the next few years or so maybe less.

Then Explain the Weaponry.

 

[parousia70]

Concede what it's not a game brother ? I don't believe any of it as there is no evience of it.

You don't believe Colossians 1:5-6, Colossians 1:23, Romans 1:8, or Romans 16:25-26?

Really?

Wow.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

I have stated my view in the other post, unless you can convince me in overkill how Ezekiel 38 could of happened in the first century I am not convinced.

OK, before I go into overkill mode on Ezekiel 38-39, I want you to explain the weaponry used in the battle Gog and Magog:

Ezek 38:4 NKJ
I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet;

Ezek 38:15 NKJ
Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you,all of them riding on horses , a great company and a mighty army.

Ezek 38:21 NKJ
I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,†says the Lord GOD. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother.

Ezek 39:3 NKJ
3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand

Ezekiel 39:9 NKJ
9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears

So NBF, as these passages point our quite clearly, this battle is fought by an army who is:
1) ALL ON HORSEBACK (38:15)
2) Wearing shields & weilding Swords (38:4,21)
3) Shooting arrows with Bows (39:3)
4) Tossing Spears and Javelins (39:9)

Is it your contention that this is the actual weaponry that will be used in this "future to us" battle as Ezekiel 38-39 LITERALLY describes, or does your view spiritualize the weaponry into modern weapons?

The weaponry alone should be proof enough, (if you take the passage literally), that this is not a 21st century battle.

Lord give me strength to deal with this man.. REPEATED

If this conflict already happened in the first century how so? What countries were inolved? But most importantly how were they united and by who? What method was used to reunite so many? How was the Euphrates River Crossed? Why does the SCO and the members of it now match the countries that will charge against Israel as in Ezekiel 38.

The SCO membership is currently Russia, China, and four ex-Soviet countries in Central Asia. Iran has observer status. Ezekiel 38:1-6 predicts that Rosh (Russia), Persia (Iran), and Magog (Central Asia) will form a confederation of nations that will invade Israel. The nations of Central Asia, that were formerly a part of the Soviet Union, have a current Muslim population of about 60 million. The growing alliances between Russia, Iran, and these Central Asian nations apper to match the Gog coalition. Another coincidence? Why was the Iran president in Russia the next day after his fraudulent election?

Were people back then able to describe our modern day weaponry accurately ? How would you describe it. As far as horseback is concerned study the current day Russian Cossacks as they train on horseback they still use whips as part of their traditional dress.

Where are the graves of these men that took seven months to bury?

 

[parousia70]

I could do hundreds posts back and forth with you right arguing that a one world religion is being taugh right now via the New Age Movement and the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations. That alone could be a fulfillment of modern day prophecy.

Please cite the chapter and verse of the prophesy that fortells of a "one world Religion"

I don't even understand how a one world religion could have been transmitted across the globe in the first century.

Well, St Peter infallibly claimed that in the first century, on Pentacost, there were Jews in Jerusalem "FROM EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN". (Acts 2)

Do you disagree with him?

You say time is running out for the Futurist view how so?

Futurism has an expiration date. Even if the pundits like you will seek to push it out further when things don't happen, it eventually will expire and the emperor that is futurism will be exposed as the naked lie that it is.

You cry wolf enough, and no wolf comes, people catch on.

I am starting to get bored.

Well, it's like I tell my kids... if you are bored, it means you are boring.

 

[parousia70]

Were people back then able to describe our modern day weaponry accurately?

So you spiritualize the weaponry?

Wasn't Exekiel writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

Are you saying the Holy Spirit was incapable of describing modern weaponry?

 

[nonbelieverforums]

But USA Today had an article today on the European Union, so that proves futurism.

You read a newspaper today and you waited all this time to tell me..? Thank you Lord my prayers for parousa are slowly being answered.

 

[nonbelieverforums]

Just in follow up to weaponry Parousa.. how would you interepret this verse?

Revelation 9:3
And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

Now take a wild guess how the futurists will describe this verse.

 

[parousia70]

Just in follow up to weaponry Parousa.

Sorry, by definition, a "follow up" can be issued only AFTER the original question has been answered.

You implied that the Holy Spirit was incapable of guiding Ezekiel into a correct description of modern weaponry, so the futurist must SPIRITUALIZE AWAY the plain words of Ezekiel to fit it into his theory.

address this, THEN issue your follow up.