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Third Temple Update

Oh my... scrolling up, I found a few other questions you have ignored.....

Peter Infallibly claims that in Jerusalem on pentacost there were Jews FROM EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN (Acts 2)
Do you disagree?

Also, you have failed to cite the chapter and verse that prophesies the formation of a one world religion.

Please do so.
 
parousia70 said:
nonbelieverforums said:
Just in follow up to weaponry Parousa.

Sorry, by definition, a "follow up" can be issued only AFTER the original question has been answered.

You implied that the Holy Spirit was incapable of guiding Ezekiel into a correct description of modern weaponry, so the futurist must SPIRITUALIZE AWAY the plain words of Ezekiel to fit it into his theory.

address this, THEN issue your follow up.

Would you expect the words tanks and guns to be used in the bible that far back? Hense the reason I am showing how many will view some discriptions as being symbolic as helicopters or in ways chariots were described.
 
parousia70 said:
Oh my... scrolling up, I found a few other questions you have ignored.....

Peter Infallibly claims that in Jerusalem on pentacost there were Jews FROM EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN (Acts 2)
Do you disagree?

Also, you have failed to cite the chapter and verse that prophesies the formation of a one world religion.

Please do so.

2 Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 13:15

My issue is I don't undersant how a one world religion could have been commuicated across the planet.
 
nonbelieverforums said:
My issue is I don't undersant how a one world religion could have been commuicated across the planet.

Do you believe there were Jews in Jerusalem on pentacost "From every nation under heaven" as Peter Infallibly claims? (Acts 2)

Do you believe the Gospel was preached "THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD" to "EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN", and to "ALL NATIONS" in Pauls day as Paul infallibly proclaims? (Colossians 1:5-6, Colossians 1:23, Romans 1:8, or Romans 16:25-26)
 
nonbelieverforums said:
parousia70 said:
Also, you have failed to cite the chapter and verse that prophesies the formation of a one world religion.

Please do so.

2 Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 13:15

Lets look at the text:
2 Thess 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Nothing here about a one world religion, just speaks of a man who proclaims himself God.
BIG Difference.

Next:

Rev 13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Forgetting for a moment that this passage was ordained to take place SHORTLY after John was given the vision, where is the evidence of this happening right now with the New age movement as you contend?
How has the modern day new age movement fulfilled this passage as you contend it has?
 
Well correct me if I am wrong This false religion that I am speaking will receive its power from the beast. Clearly in the modern day we can see how anything false can be preached from technology the internet, the news, satalite. The “image that speaks†could be television or holograms or some other technology that Daniel explained. What would you define the "image that speaks"?

I am speaking of a false religion you are speaking of the gospel .

I will be away from the fourm till later this evening.. 9.00 EST.



parousia70 said:
nonbelieverforums said:
My issue is I don't undersant how a one world religion could have been commuicated across the planet.

Do you believe there were Jews in Jerusalem on pentacost "From every nation under heaven" as Peter Infallibly claims? (Acts 2)

Do you believe the Gospel was preached "THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD" to "EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN", and to "ALL NATIONS" in Pauls day as Paul infallibly proclaims? (Colossians 1:5-6, Colossians 1:23, Romans 1:8, or Romans 16:25-26)
 
Note to nonbelieverforms: I do not read your posts to me. You can continue if you'd like, but I won't be reading. I just wanted to give you that option. I noted that you posted something to me, but I did not read it. Sadly, I have found that "communicating" with you is a total waste of time. You talk but you don't listen!

Matthew24:34
 
Matthew24:34 said:
Note to nonbelieverforms: I do not read your posts to me. You can continue if you'd like, but I won't be reading. I just wanted to give you that option. I noted that you posted something to me, but I did not read it. Sadly, I have found that "communicating" with you is a total waste of time. You talk but you don't listen!

Matthew24:34

Not reading me, reality, the media? I do listen. I don't agree with you. You can run but you can't hide :screwloose
 
nonbelieverforums said:
Well correct me if I am wrong
Count on it!

I am speaking of a false religion you are speaking of the gospel .

You said Revelation 13:15 has been fulfilled today in the new age movement.

I'm simply asking you to elaborate.
 
parousia70 said:
nonbelieverforums said:
Well correct me if I am wrong
Count on it!

I am speaking of a false religion you are speaking of the gospel .

You said Revelation 13:15 has been fulfilled today in the new age movement.

I'm simply asking you to elaborate.

Greetings,Parousia70: I notice that you asked nbf the same question twice. Since I do not read his posts, I am assuming that he, as usual, has not directly addressed your question. I guess the answer lies in the futurist proposition that one thing means one thing in one context and something else in another. Shortly in noneschatological passages, for example, means simply "shortly." The same word, however, according to futurists, means something entirely different in eschatological passages. In those verses it takes on some type of God speak somehow justified by 2 Peter 3:8 so that near can mean far and shortly or soon can mean later--much later.

I'm sure if nbf finally comes around to actually answering you, he will manage to twist the meaning of "all nations" as well. It means ALL nations when it is convenient for him but not ALL nations when it is not!

Have fun, my friend!

Matthew24:34
 
2010 - European Union is implementing an Action Plan promoting the welfare of animals for the period of 2006-2010. The EU would also like to enhance international standards of animal welfare. Proper treatment of animals during slaughter is an area of interest for the EU. This may be the antichrist’s way to stop “sacrifice and offering†in the Third Temple.
 
nonbelieverforums said:
2010 - European Union is implementing an Action Plan promoting the welfare of animals for the period of 2006-2010. The EU would also like to enhance international standards of animal welfare. Proper treatment of animals during slaughter is an area of interest for the EU. This may be the antichrist’s way to stop “sacrifice and offering†in the Third Temple.
Sure, but first you need a Third Temple. Until then it's just worrying about nothing.
 
The Prefabricated - Third Temple Update

Sinthesis said:
nonbelieverforums said:
2010 - European Union is implementing an Action Plan promoting the welfare of animals for the period of 2006-2010. The EU would also like to enhance international standards of animal welfare. Proper treatment of animals during slaughter is an area of interest for the EU. This may be the antichrist’s way to stop “sacrifice and offering†in the Third Temple.
Sure, but first you need a Third Temple. Until then it's just worrying about nothing.


Is It Time for the Temple?
Dr. Thomas Ice

THE SANHEDRIN

The Sanhedrin was a council of 71 rabbis who governed Israel under Roman rule near the temple during the time of Christ, and continued to function outside of Jerusalem (primarily in Tiberias) until around A.D. 400. The reinstitution of the Sanhedrin is seen as a harbinger for the rebuilding of the temple and the coming of the Messiah. Orthodox Jews believe that a body like the Sanhedrin is needed today to oversee the rebuilding of the temple, and to identify Messiah should He appear on the scene.

The body met for the first time in October 2004 in Tiberias (the place where they last gathered), but now meets monthly in Jerusalem in order to issue rulings on matters related to Israeli Judaism. Their goal is to eventually become the governing body for the modern nation of Israel, which would replace their current social democracy. Orthodox sects are known for following
specific leaders as opposed to valuing unity between themselves. This is why the founding of the Sanhedrin is viewed by many within the Orthodox community as miraculous because it causes them to believe that great things are on the horizon for the Jewish people of Israel.

Hebrew Christian scholar Arnold Fruchtenbaum has noted the following:

The significance of Israel’s reinstituting the Sanhedrin may be another event that leaves in place the possibility of how the Lord will work out His will with His people. Almost 60 years after a 1,900-year absence, the nation of Israel came into existence. Jewish people from the four corners of the world have made aliyah to live in the Land. The Temple Institute in Jerusalem has reconstructed the instruments for Jewish Temple worship; Jewish men determined to be descendants of Aaron, known as the Kohanim, are being trained in ritual practices to serve as Temple priests; and now we have the establishment of an authoritative body to speak to the nation of Israel on matters of Jewish religion. This is significant in light of such passages as Zechariah 12:10 and Hosea 5:15, which speak of a time when the people of Israel will be led into the acceptance of Jesus as their Messiah. The existence of a religious authority for the entire nation will facilitate the multitudes coming to faith. 1

It is important to note that as a result of the June 2005 meeting of the Sanhedrin, they have issued a call for specific plans to rebuild the temple. “The Israeli rabbinical council involved with re-establishing the Sanhedrin, is calling upon all groups involved in Temple Mount research to prepare detailed architectural plans for the reconstruction of the Jewish Holy Temple.â€Â2 This demonstrates that increasingly, the new Sanhedrin believes it is taking steps to prepare the modern state of Israel for a new temple and the coming of the Messiah. These stage-setting steps are in concert with the endtime events that will take place during a future era known as the Tribulation.

In order to specifically carry out the Sanhedrin’s call to prepare architectural plans for rebuilding the temple, “the group will establish a forum of architects and engineers to begin plans for rebuilding the Temple  a move fraught with religious and political volatility.â€Â3 The Sanhedrin is also “calling on the Jewish people to contribute toward the acquisition of materials for the purpose of rebuilding the Templeâ€â€including the gathering and preparation of prefabricated, disassembled portions to be stored and ready for rapid assembly, ‘in the manner of King David.’â€Â4

READY TO REBUILD

Randall Price and I wrote a book in 1992 called Ready to Rebuild 5 about the current efforts in Israel to rebuild Israel’s third temple. Frankly, this book was the first in the American evangelical world to introduce many to the growing temple movement in Israel. Now, 13 years later, even more organizations and Israeli Jews are working toward this goal. I recall our visit to the Temple Institute in West Jerusalem during a trip to Israel a few years ago. (This is the group of orthodox Jews who have already reconstructed all of the implements that will be needed for the third temple.) Our group asked the woman who led our tour of the Institute whether the organization really believed a new temple would be built upon the Temple Mount where the Arab Dome of the Rock now stands. She stated very clearly and repeatedly that its members were positive a Jewish temple would one day be reconstructed upon that Mount. Asked how she thought this would happen, she said she had no idea, but knew the Lord would bring it to pass in order for the end of days to unfold.

The main problem facing those who would rebuild the temple is political in nature. Israel recaptured the Old City of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in the Six-Day War (1967) and then Moshe Diane returned day-to-day control of the Temple Mount to the Muslims. Until Israel comes to the point it is willing to exercise political control over the Temple Mount, the Jews will not be able to restore the temple. Increasingly, new organi-zations arise among the orthodox Jews seeking to regain hegemony
over their most holy place.

One of the newer organizations that has recently arisen to join older ones like the Temple Mount Faithful and the Ateret Cohanim is the group called Revava, led by David Ha’ivri. The goal of Revava is to restore Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount. Its tactics include an effort every month to take a group of 10,000 Jews or more up to the Temple Mount.6 The 35-acre Temple Mount platform is the most volatile piece of real estate upon planet Earth. The mere (unsuccessful) attempt by Revava to take 10,000 Jews up to the Temple Mount in order to pray resulted in over 100,000 Muslims in Indonesia rallying “for continued Islamic dominance over the Mount.â€Â7 The police prevented the Jews from ascending to the most holy place in all of Judaism, so they carried on a demonstration near the Temple Mount.

Demonstrators sang songs and danced and chanted slogans about reclaiming the Mount for Jewish worship. Several Israeli Knesset members delivered speeches about the importance of the Temple Mount to Jewish tradition.8

The point that needs to be made is that Israeli Jews are becoming increasingly interested in rebuilding their temple. It appears that the more the Islamic militants increase their terrorist pressure upon the Jewish nation, the more religious Jews step up efforts to focus upon rebuilding the third temple. “Islamic Jihad issued a press release claiming Jews were planning to ‘attack’ the Mount, in which they would explode the entire region and open an unprecedented confrontation with the ‘Zionist entity.’â€Â
9 In fact, on June 6, 2005, when Israel was celebrating the 38th anniversary of Jerusalem’s liberation, a number of Jews were allowed to go upon the Temple Mount. This resulted in about 300 Palestinians throwing stones at the Jews. “They came from Al Aqsa, took off their belts, and ran through the Jewish Israeli group to evict them while trying to throw stones,†noted a Jewish police spokesman.10

CONCLUSION

In spite of contemporary turmoil, Israel's third temple will one day be rebuilt, as Dr. Price and I explained based on Daniel 9:24-27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; and Revelation 11:1-2; 13:14–15 in our book Ready To Rebuild. Few observers
of world events ever thought Israel would become a nation again, but that did occur in 1948. Yet, there will be a rebuilt temple by the middle of the seven-year Tribulation in order to facilitate the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

I have often taught that the long-awaited permission for the Jews to rebuild their temple will likely be part of the covenant between the Antichrist and Israel that begins the seven-year Tribulation after the Rapture. It appears to me that the temple will be rebuilt and supervised supernaturally by the two witnesses during the first half of the Tribulation. Since one of the two witnesses will most likely be Elijah, this would mean that Elijah’s ministry should tell us more about the ministry of the two witnesses. Malachi 4:5-6 says, “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse.†Perhaps Elijah’s ministry, through which he will help the Jewish people “get right with God†before the return of the Lord, will involve their third templeâ€â€until it is commandeered by Antichrist.

Regardless of how the Lord works out the details, His plan will be brought to pass. In the meantime, many events taking place in and around Jerusalem and the Temple Mount are setting the stage for a string of events that will usher in the Second Coming of Christ. Meanwhile, the Church is looking for the Rapture, where Christ will take us in an instant to be with Himself
for all eternity. Maranatha!
 
People really need to get an idea as to just how explicit the daley sacrifice will be in this Temple. It is too say the least disturbing to watch as both a lamb and a heffer are slaughtered and the way they do it.

http://www.monergism.com/directory/link ... link=27660 (CONTENT WARNING).

I can easily see animal activists (and perhaps the world in general) going nuts over this saying it's unnecessary and crying to the E.U. to put an end to it. The timing of the Temple comes at a time while Israel refuses a Palestinian state and now they have been allowed to build the Temple. This is going be an insult to the muslim world it will be like having their faces rubbed in it. If anyone can't see how the world will slowly turn against Israel as prophesied they are blind.
 
The world has already begun turning against Israel. They no longer have a President that takes money in return for our support. But this is likely to spark something inhere I may not want to get into. So, don't be surprised if I disappear. I agree Non.
 
Re: The Prefabricated - Third Temple Update

nonbelieverforums said:
The Sanhedrin was a council of 71 rabbis who governed Israel under Roman rule near the temple during the time of Christ, and continued to function outside of Jerusalem (primarily in Tiberias) until around A.D. 400. The reinstitution of the Sanhedrin is seen as a harbinger for the rebuilding of the temple and the coming of the Messiah. Orthodox Jews believe that a body like the Sanhedrin is needed today to oversee the rebuilding of the temple, and to identify Messiah should He appear on the scene.

The body met for the first time in October 2004 in Tiberias (the place where they last gathered), but now meets monthly in Jerusalem in order to issue rulings on matters related to Israeli Judaism. Their goal is to eventually become the governing body for the modern nation of Israel, which would replace their current social democracy.

Yeah... Good luck with that! :screwloose

"Hey guys, let revert to the type of government we had when WE were occupied!" :rolling

First you need a Third Temple. Until then it's just worrying about nothing.
 
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Hey Sinthesis lets pretend for a moment a temple was established. The jews and the world called it the third temple, lets pretend daley sacrafices where being conducted in the temple. Muslims were inslulted and rioting, and animal activists groups were crying to the E.U. to put an end to these grusome sacrafices.

For the sake of argument what would you make of this? Would it change your view or would it just go on the long list of coincidences that I post just about every day ?

Would this have any effect on the Preterist view it all?
 
I think obsessing with when events will occur is borderline mysticism. We don't know when this will happen. To search for the signs and have that knowledge is one thing. Causing others to worry about the destruction of an unbuilt temple is not a good thing. When it is built then we can say, yes, this will not last. But we ca not say when Christ will return. :shame
 
The last thing Christian will acknowledge is something spiritual; and this is especially true of the temple. Every piece of furniture, every measurement, every room, column, feast; all point to a deeper example of heavenly fulfillment; in other words the temple of God with in us.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

2 Chronicles 6:18
But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!


God’s Word is spiritual especially when it comes to something that shows such a strong pattern over and over again in scripture; there were at least three or four different examples of temple in the OT pointing to the true temple with in us. Here are a few verse that express God’s intention of His dwelling place.

1 Corinthians 3
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 6
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


Revelation 11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Why would God want the outer court left out? In the other temples/tabernacle they all had and outer court/inner court and Holy of Holies. EXCEPT for David's Tabernacle/tent at Mount Zion it was the Holy of Holies...

Hebrews 9
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 9
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

2 Corinthians 5
1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

If this temple would be built would they do sacrifices of sheep and goats; I thought Jesus blood took care of that issue. God has the stones for that temple already He is shaping not with the hands of some human craftsman; You are the stone in that spiritual temple; and so am I; but Jesus Christ is the chief corner stone.

"This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:6-7). Not only was there a literal fulfillment of this Scripture, in Zerubbabel's day, but it also holds within it a PROPHETIC WORD, of the greater temple being built, and the establishment of the NEW COVENANT, of which Jesus Christ is both the Chief Cornerstone, and the Capstone. He is both Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, and without Him there would be no LIVING TEMPLE established. He is THE ALL!

The Dictionary defines a headstone as: the principle stone in a foundation, the cornerstone. JESUS CHRIST IS THAT STONE! Peter writes this very clearly, "To Whom we come, as unto a Living Stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious." (1 Peter 2:4).

Without this Stone, the next verse would never have been written. "You also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." (v. 5). All that we are, all that we shall ever become to His praise, is BY JESUS CHRIST. We are His workmanship, and we are to be conformed to His image. "Wherefore also it is contained in the Scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a CHIEF CORNERSTONE, elect, precious: and he that believes on Him shall not be confounded." (v. 6).

"This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says the Lord of hosts. Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:6-7).
 
Not sure what your point is.. It is undisputed that a third temple is planned to be rebuilt by the Jewish people have you been to http://www.templeinstitute.org ?? It's all ready to go. The stage is set.

They won't be sacrificing sheeps and goats. It will be a lamb and a red heffer. The Jewish people don't believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins hense the reason for the daley sacrifice. If your saying the third temple is a biblical metaphor, I am sorry I don't agree.
 
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