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Three person God identified in the Bible?

Where is the three person God identified in the Bible?

  • A three person God is identified in the Bible

    Votes: 12 41.4%

  • A three person God is not identified in the Bible

    Votes: 13 44.8%

  • A three person God is not identified but is implied

    Votes: 3 10.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.4%
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Randy said:
So how did Jesus become the Son if He has no beginning?
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He is eternally begotten. If he is God, and he is, then he necessarily has always existed, as that is an attribute of God. If there was a time when he did not exist, then he is not God and is the literal firstborn of creation, the first created thing. But that would contradict John 1:1-3 and Col 1:16-17.
 
Free said:
He is eternally begotten. If he is God, and he is, then he necessarily has always existed, as that is an attribute of God. If there was a time when he did not exist, then he is not God and is the literal firstborn of creation, the first created thing. But that would contradict John 1:1-3 and Col 1:16-17.
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A coeternal being can not have a Father as they always existed . One can imply an action with no point in history ,"eternally Begotten", but it isn't reasonable to state they are a Son. Now it is stated the Father is unbegotten which follows someone that has no parent.

I know you didn't create the trinity.

This is from the will of another at a point in history. Col 1:19

For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

Likewise in stating everything was created through Jesus does not mean His own spirit which is the beginning of the creation of the Father. Rev 3:14 Jesus is before all things as He has that supremacy. As well as firstborn from the dead. All those things He is before were created through Him. This is far more reasonable/understandable then to state begotten of the Father before all worlds but not made.

And why would a coeternal Coequal God need to be exalted and given authority? Why is there a need to command the angels to bow to Him? Hebrews 1:6 "Because" He is the Firstborn. Not coeternal, coequal.
 
Randy said:
So how did Jesus become the Son if He has no beginning?
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Jesus has two natures; human and divine. It is called the hypostatic union.
The divine nature never 'becomes' anything. The divine nature is immutable.
Phil 2:7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity ... this is the divine nature of the 2nd person] by assuming the form of a bond-servant [the divine 2nd person of God takes on a human nature], and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].
Note: The divine nature does not change but it does take on human flesh .... so now, with Jesus consisting of 2 natures He can do what either nature is capable of. His human nature can have a beginning...He is Jesus. The human nature can do things God cannot; He can grow weary and die for example.
Our salvation is based of the divine power of Jesus to mediate and the human power of Jesus to represent us like Adam did (though Jesus obviously did a better job of it).


The particular points which most need to be guarded in connection with this mysterious and glorious subject are:
  1. The eternal Son of God united to Himself human nature.
  2. Every particular man is a separate person, because he exists of himself; but the manhood of Christ never subsisted of itself, but only in union with the second Person of the Godhead.
  3. Christ, the Mediator, is but one Person; God and man being perfectly united in Him.
  4. The two natures remain distinct in Him, preserving their own properties and characteristics.
  5. Christ's human nature was not created in Heaven (as the early Plymouth Brethren taught): "The Lord from Heaven" (1 Corinthians 15:47) refers to His Divine Person, and not to the descent of His humanity. If Christ's humanity had not been formed out of Mary's substance, it had belonged to another class of creatures, and Christ had not been "the Son of man" and so could not have been our Kinsman-Redeemer.
  6. The humanity of Christ was not begotten by generation according to the ordinary course of nature, but was produced by the extraordinary operation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore it is high above the compass of human reason to understand or explain.
  7. As man, Christ is neither "the Son of God" (Luke 1:35) by nature or by adoption, but only by personal union-as the wife receives the name of her husband.
  8. The humanity of Christ had to be united to His Divine Person, in order that His work should possess infinite merits.
  9. Each nature acts separately, yet in conjunction with the other: as man Christ "laid down" His life, as God He "took it again" (John 10:18).
  10. A whole Christ, God and man, is the Object of our faith, is our Savior and Lord, and is to be worshiped and served as such.
A.W.Pink
 
Randy said:
And why would a coeternal Coequal God need to be exalted and given authority? Why is there a need to command the angels to bow to Him? Hebrews 1:6 "Because" He is the Firstborn. Not coeternal, coequal.
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Again, Christ has 2 natures (the Word became flesh John 1:14) ...divine and human. His divine nature is CO-ETERNAL.

Randy said:
A coeternal being can not have a Father as they always existed .
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Agreed. Not in the sense that we understand "Father". God is transcendent and often speaks in analogies to compensate for us being 'dummies'.
Best explanation I've heard is:
The Son is eternally begotten (eternally generated) by the Father. The Father is begotten by no one. It had no beginning, it will have no ending. It has always been. C. S. Lewis likened it to a book that is lying on top of another. We say the top book owes its position to the bottom one. It wouldn't be where it is without the one on the bottom. Now, if you can, imagine this relationship as always having been. There never was a time when the top book was not where it was, never a time when the bottom book was alone. This is what we mean when we speak of the Father begetting the Son. The relationship of the first person of the Trinity to the second person is that of begetting.
Begotten – from Greek monogenes meaning "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9).

Christ was begotten in eternity in a unique way that did not involve being made. Christ is uniquely begotten, not in time as a creature, but eternally as the Son of God. John indicates this by saying that the Logos “was with God” and “was God” at the beginning (John 1:1). If the Logos, the second person of the Trinity, is eternally begotten by the Father, then there never was a time when Christ was not begotten of the Father. The second person of the Trinity has an eternal relationship of sonship with the Father. R.C. Sproul Truths We Confess

... that's my 'stab at it' .... how does one understand/explain all aspects of a transcendent, infinite God?
 
wondering said:
You're saying that in the OT it's always Jesus?
(That appears)
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Whenever the LORD spoke out of the mouth of prophets, or whenever the LORD appeared to Abraham, or the Angel of the LORD appeared to Moses or the LORD breathed the breath of life into Adam....

It was the Son; YHWH the LORD God.

No one before the cross has seen the Father.





JLB
 
Fastfredy0 said:
Again, Christ has 2 natures (the Word became flesh John 1:14) ...divine and human. His divine nature is CO-ETERNAL.


Agreed. Not in the sense that we understand "Father". God is transcendent and often speaks in analogies to compensate for us being 'dummies'.
Best explanation I've heard is:
The Son is eternally begotten (eternally generated) by the Father. The Father is begotten by no one. It had no beginning, it will have no ending. It has always been. C. S. Lewis likened it to a book that is lying on top of another. We say the top book owes its position to the bottom one. It wouldn't be where it is without the one on the bottom. Now, if you can, imagine this relationship as always having been. There never was a time when the top book was not where it was, never a time when the bottom book was alone. This is what we mean when we speak of the Father begetting the Son. The relationship of the first person of the Trinity to the second person is that of begetting.
Begotten – from Greek monogenes meaning "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9).

Christ was begotten in eternity in a unique way that did not involve being made. Christ is uniquely begotten, not in time as a creature, but eternally as the Son of God. John indicates this by saying that the Logos “was with God” and “was God” at the beginning (John 1:1). If the Logos, the second person of the Trinity, is eternally begotten by the Father, then there never was a time when Christ was not begotten of the Father. The second person of the Trinity has an eternal relationship of sonship with the Father. R.C. Sproul Truths We Confess

... that's my 'stab at it' .... how does one understand/explain all aspects of a transcendent, infinite God?
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Col 1:19 seems unique to Christ but did take place at a point in history by the will of another.
The only begotten Son or The only begotten God
The Father the only unbegotten God. The only true God. Jesus's God and Father

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Randy said:
Col 1:19 seems unique to Christ but did take place at a point in history by the will of another.
The only begotten Son or The only begotten God
The Father the only unbegotten God. The only true God. Jesus's God and Father

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Jesus said to the Pharisees "If you had known the Father you would have known me."

What do you think he was saying?
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Cooper said:
Everything else is fine as things stand today, but to say the Son is not the Father in days of old contradicts the rest.
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Everything it says is biblical. To say that the Son is not the Father is 100% correct and contradicts nothing in the diagram, nor Scripture. The Son never has been the Father and never will be. Again, you really need to address those points I gave in post #1,386.
 
Free said:
Everything it says is biblical. To say that the Son is not the Father is 100% correct and contradicts nothing in the diagram, nor Scripture. The Son never has been the Father and never will be. Again, you really need to address those points I gave in post #1,386.
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The ONE Almighty God is "all in all."

If you want to say the Son is not the Father, not this and not that, go ahead, but that is a denial of God's greatness, and you will not see me saying it. Remember, "God is One" and God cannot be divided against himself. Read 1 John 2:23.

What do you think Jesus was saying when he said, "If you had known the Father, you would have known me." And what else did Jesus go on to say in John 8:39-44?
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Cooper said:
The ONE Almighty God is "all in all."

If you want to say the Son is not the Father, not this and not that, go ahead, but that is a denial of God's greatness, and you will not see me saying it. Remember, "God is One" and God cannot be divided against himself. Read 1 John 2:23.

What do you think Jesus was saying when he said, "If you had known the Father, you would have known me." And what else did Jesus go on to say in John 8:39-44?
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"All in All" will come vs 28
I am assuming a mediator isn't needed after death itself has been destroyed. To me that's after the 1000 years as spoken of in the book of revelation. We have been promised a place on Jesus's throne and authority over the nations.
The nations are not the children of God we are.
1 corth 15
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” c Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
 
John 17
Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
 
Randy said:
John 17
Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
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The omnipresent God in heaven, and on earth in the image and likeness of man.

We read in John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” Because Jesus is the eternal God who became man He was able to redeem mankind from the first Adam to the last Adam and was able to take away the sins of the whole world. His Grace is all-encompassing.

As Gleason Archer explains, God had to become one of us to redeem us from the guilt and penalty of our sins. God as God could not forgive us for our sins unless our sins were fully paid for; otherwise, he would have been a condoner and protector of the violation of His own holy law. It was only as a man that God in Christ could provide a sacrifice sufficient to atone for the sins of humankind; for only a man born of flesh could represent the human race.

But our Redeemer had to be God, for only God could furnish a sacrifice of infinite value, to compensate for the penalty of the eternal hell that our sin demands according to the righteous claims of divine justice. Only God could have devised a way of salvation by which He could remain Just, while becoming the Justifier of the ungodly. So instead of sending the wicked to the everlasting perdition they deserved, it was the perfect Man, who was also the infinite God, that furnished an effective sacrifice for all believers of every age.
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Cooper said:
The omnipresent God in heaven, and on earth in the image and likeness of man.

We read in John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” Because Jesus is the eternal God who became man He was able to redeem mankind from the first Adam to the last Adam and was able to take away the sins of the whole world. His Grace is all-encompassing.

As Gleason Archer explains, God had to become one of us to redeem us from the guilt and penalty of our sins. God as God could not forgive us for our sins unless our sins were fully paid for; otherwise, he would have been a condoner and protector of the violation of His own holy law. It was only as a man that God in Christ could provide a sacrifice sufficient to atone for the sins of humankind; for only a man born of flesh could represent the human race.

But our Redeemer had to be God, for only God could furnish a sacrifice of infinite value, to compensate for the penalty of the eternal hell that our sin demands according to the righteous claims of divine justice. Only God could have devised a way of salvation by which He could remain Just, while becoming the Justifier of the ungodly. So instead of sending the wicked to the everlasting perdition they deserved, it was the perfect Man, who was also the infinite God, that furnished an effective sacrifice for all believers of every age.
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For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Father and Son.
 
Randy said:
For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Father and Son.
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Father of Mary's Son. (Both human and God.) The perfect sinless man to redeem us from our sins by dying in our place.
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