Titus 2:13 and imminence

[Hitch]

Yes, that would make sense.

Although our understanding of the meaning of a "day" may be different than God's.


JLB

You're right He probably really meant Jesus would be in the grave 3,000 years.

But this could be fun, we could say God's understanding of adultery is different, murder? homosexuality?, why not? The fact is if you're correct in your assessment God is a failure at COM 101.

Jesus warned ,I work on the assumption He knew what he meant and how to say it so we could understand, that some folks would refuse to believe even if they could see resurrection.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

 

[Stormcrow]

You're right He probably really meant Jesus would be in the grave 3,000 years.

But this could be fun, we could say God's understanding of adultery is different, murder? homosexuality?, why not? The fact is if you're correct in your assessment God is a failure at COM 101.

Jesus warned ,I work on the assumption He knew what he meant and how to say it so we could understand, that some folks would refuse to believe even if they could see resurrection.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

The "selective literalists" have run amok in your absence, Hitch.

Why is a day 2,000 years except when Christ is in the grave?

Why does "soon" mean a few minutes or days to us but 2,000 years to the ancients?

 

[JLB]

You're right He probably really meant Jesus would be in the grave 3,000 years.

But this could be fun, we could say God's understanding of adultery is different, murder? homosexuality?, why not? The fact is if you're correct in your assessment God is a failure at COM 101.

Jesus warned ,I work on the assumption He knew what he meant and how to say it so we could understand, that some folks would refuse to believe even if they could see resurrection.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

In your arrogance deal with this statement , of which I was referring to -

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

Here's a plain statement -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

As long as the sun is in the sky, Jesus has not returned!


JLB

 

[whitestone]

looking for the blessed hope andglorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

You can't separate the two, the second coming and the resurrection from each other because they happen...in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

and again -

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

JLB

Those that are "dead in Christ" rise first because they are already with Him. They rise, not from their graves, for if we are "in Christ" we are never in a grave. Rather to rise is to stand forth, to appear. Those in Christ that died before us rise first/stand forth/appear first for He brings them with Him.

Then, if we are still living (physically and spiritually) at the seventh trump...we shall be changed. We, as those that preceeded us, are then in incorruptible/spiritual/celestial bodies. Even "the dead" are raised incorruptible...the "dead" being those not in Christ for they are spiritually dead. All are changed but not all are immortal.

1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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While yet mortal, physically living, we "must put on immortality." To be of the first resurrection we must put on immortality before we physically die or....it would be too late. To be immortal is to be spiritually alive through Christ.



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[Hitch]

In your arrogance deal with this statement , of which I was referring to -

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.



Here's a plain statement -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

As long as the sun is in the sky, Jesus has not returned!


JLB

LOL That statement is anything but plain.


But the question remains, What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord ?


You will despise them. :biglol

 

[Hitch]

The "selective literalists" have run amok in your absence, Hitch.

Why is a day 2,000 years except when Christ is in the grave?

Why does "soon" mean a few minutes or days to us but 2,000 years to the ancients?

Hard to think of a more deserving place for that.

 

[jasoncran]

In your arrogance deal with this statement , of which I was referring to -

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.



Here's a plain statement -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

As long as the sun is in the sky, Jesus has not returned!

context. that verse cant be used for the millenium or any futurist position but rather teaches how patient the lord is.

selective indeed, hitch.

tell me why do you believe jesus will rescue jerusalem from her enemies in the trib? show the very words of jesus on that matter.

 

[reba]

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Who owns the cattle on hill number 1001? Psa 50:10

The verse strongly implies God is, what we say "out side of time"...

 

[Elijah674]

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Who owns the cattle on hill number 1001? Psa 50:10

The verse strongly implies God is, what we say "out side of time"...

No insinuation meant! But when Jeremiah 4:22-27 is studied it is quite in/lightening! 6000 yrs. + 1000 yrs. of all dead wicked, & with the Saved in heaven taking part of their length of suffering execution. (justified, & based on Eccl. 12:42-43) See 1 Cor. 6:2-3!

So the is empty with NO light & will be satan & his ones home for these 1000 years until the wicked are resurrected at the end of the 1000 years to be executed along with satan and his ones. See Obadiah 16 ...Just gone ETERNALLY!

But the thought is of the six day + the 1000 yrs. =7000 years? And our day's do have a time period. If this is true??? Then mankind are close to a correct time/period!

But this is NO doctrine of mine! ;) (except for the Jer. verses)

--Elijah

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

You're right He probably really meant Jesus would be in the grave 3,000 years.

But this could be fun, we could say God's understanding of adultery is different, murder? homosexuality?, why not? The fact is if you're correct in your assessment God is a failure at COM 101.

Jesus warned ,I work on the assumption He knew what he meant and how to say it so we could understand, that some folks would refuse to believe even if they could see resurrection.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

In your arrogance deal with this statement , of which I was referring to -

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

What will you do with the plain statements of the Lord?

Here's a plain statement -

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

As long as the sun is in the sky, Jesus has not returned!


JLB

:amen

Good post, & don't forget Brother JBL when satan is given the keys to hell and lets those in hell out, the smoke from hell will cover the sun prior to the 2nd advent rapture, allowing many to be deceived :

Revelation 9:1-5

King James Version (KJV)

1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.



(*rev 12 satan kicked out of heaven) Jesus is the one who gave the keys to satan:


Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.








2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.


(joel 2 the locust army/evil spirits/ satan's angels released/as the Days of Noe giving and taking in marriage Gen6/Jude)

they will be leading many astray with signs and lying wonders to follow them by their claiming to be Jesus, dan 11,matt 24:4-5,21-31,mark 13:5-6,luke 21:8, etc causing many to defile their wedding garments to Christ by fornication with satan prior to THE Wedding.




4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.


liking their sting symbolically, like in the OT where false teachers/doctrine is likened to pestilence,caterpillars,grass hoppers, etc to eat away at the harvest
(we the wheat) by leading many astray to the event of satan (purging of tares) prior to the post trib rapture to Jesus Christ.

we with the Key of David are sealed as we know the "first event" is the coming of false Christs leading to satan claiming to be God. Believers are sealed by knowledge Jesus Christ taught us and we know NOT to follow after these false Christs or satan claiming to be God for our Lord Christ Jesus is our blessed hope, HE our redeemer comes after the tribulation as you know in matt 24:29-31