Undergoing the sanctification process is necessary for salvation!

[John Zain]

I would like to look at one particular sin … and see what Scripture says about
the person who habitually engages in this sin … i.e. fails to overcome this sin.

“These six things the Lord hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil,
a false witness who speaks lies, one who sows discord among brethren.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

“Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil ... Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord,
but those who deal truthfully are His delight” (Proverbs 12:20, 22)
“A righteous man hates lying” (Proverbs 13:5) … “I hate and abhor lying” (Psalm 119:163)

Let’s remember …
“When he (Satan) speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources,
for he is a liar and the father of it (lies).” (John 8:44)
Liars are following Satan … they certainly are not following the Spirit.
IMO, lying is almost the opposite of love!

The following 3 passages apply to absolutely everyone …

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers sexually immoral,
sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns
with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

“But there shall by no means enter it (the eternal city) anything that defiles,
or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in
the Lamb's Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)

“But outside (of the eternal city) are dogs and sorcerers
and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters,
and whoever loves and practices a lie.” (Revelation 22:15)

The 3 passages above are referring to HABITUAL SIN (not the occasional sin),
and Jesus’ warning to the habitual sinner is spiritual death, i.e. no salvation!

The opposite of this is REPENTED-OF SIN …

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

Continual genuine repentance ... PLUS ... the help of the Holy Spirit ... PRODUCES ... the overcomer!

To all the churches in Rev 2-3, Jesus warns that they must be “overcomers”

• “To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life”
• “He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death”
• “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name
from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels”
• “He who overcomes … I will write on him the name of My God and the name of
the city of My God, the New Jerusalem … And I will write on him My new name”
• “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne”
Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:26, 3:5, 3:12, 3:21

And He adds that those with spiritual ears will heed the warnings!
Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:29, 3:6, 3:13, 3:22

 

[Guest]

The opposite of this is REPENTED-OF SIN …

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.†(1 John 1:9)

Continual genuine repentance ... PLUS ... the help of the Holy Spirit ... PRODUCES ... the overcomer!

To all the churches in Rev 2-3, Jesus warns that they must be “overcomersâ€

• “To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of lifeâ€
• “He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second deathâ€
• “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name
from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angelsâ€
• “He who overcomes … I will write on him the name of My God and the name of
the city of My God, the New Jerusalem … And I will write on him My new nameâ€
• “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throneâ€
Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:26, 3:5, 3:12, 3:21

Ty for adding this, it is not through our works that we are sanctified. It is only by his grace and love that ye are saved. Blessings. :p

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Sorry, John. Your premise remains untrue, and misguided.

 

[John Zain]

Sorry, John. Your premise remains untrue, and misguided.

Don't have time to make a case against my premise?

I'll continue MY case by pointing to your signature.

God does not change (Malachi 3:3, Hebrews 13:8).

In both OT and NT, God demands obedience, etc.
No one gets a continual (until the end) free blessing w/o his/her obedience.

God has always insisted on co-operation between man and Himself
to carry out His plan on earth.

 

[Guest]

Sorry, John. Your premise remains untrue, and misguided.

What did he say that's untrue and misguided? I'm confused.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

What did he say that's untrue and misguided? I'm confused.

For starters, the title of the thread. Secondly, his contention that works saves, as implied by his out-of-context quotes of Scripture that he intends for everyone to read as support for his belief that works save. They do not. Salvation is sola fide -- by faith alone.

 

[Guest]

For starters, the title of the thread. Secondly, his contention that works saves, as implied by his out-of-context quotes of Scripture that he intends for everyone to read as support for his belief that works save. They do not. Salvation is sola fide -- by faith alone.

Well, the title of the thread is just stating undergoing. I'm sure John knows that it is by God's grace only that we are saved. What scripture are you referring too in his post?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Well, the title of the thread is just stating undergoing. I'm sure John knows that it is by God's grace only that we are saved. What scripture are you referring too in his post?

Asa I said, the Scriptures are fine, it is the implication of how he uses them, specifically:

The 3 passages above are referring to HABITUAL SIN (not the occasional sin),
and Jesus’ warning to the habitual sinner is spiritual death, i.e. no salvation!

This simply is not true if one has trusted in Christ. Anyone can fall into habitual sin, even Christians. It is the process of sanctification that "cleans us up" from these sins, but never do they disqualify a believer from heaven.

 

[John Zain]

Anyone can fall into habitual sin, even Christians.
It is the process of sanctification that "cleans us up" from these sins,
but never do they disqualify a believer from heaven.

Hey, tnd, don't ever say NEVER! ... These apply to EVERYONE! ...

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers sexually immoral,
sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which
burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

“But there shall by no means enter it (the eternal city) anything that defiles,
or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in
the Lamb's Book of Life.” (Revelation 21:27)

“But outside (of the eternal city) are dogs and sorcerers
and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters,
and whoever loves and practices a lie.” (Revelation 22:15)


Thou art gonna have to learn the English language,
and learn how to listen to the Holy Spirit.

 

[francisdesales]

Asa I said, the Scriptures are fine, it is the implication of how he uses them, specifically:

This simply is not true if one has trusted in Christ. Anyone can fall into habitual sin, even Christians. It is the process of sanctification that "cleans us up" from these sins, but never do they disqualify a believer from heaven.

Yes, the weakness of the OSAS idea.

Now, please explain WHY we need to be sanctified, since we cannot be disqualified from heaven? If we are covered with Christ and the Father can't see our sins, why be sanctified at all? What is the NEED to suffer, be disciplined, die to self, pick up our cross, even pray!!!

If one doesn't, will their evil self bleed through the cover of Christ???

Regards

 

[Guest]

Asa I said, the Scriptures are fine, it is the implication of how he uses them, specifically:

This simply is not true if one has trusted in Christ. Anyone can fall into habitual sin, even Christians. It is the process of sanctification that "cleans us up" from these sins, but never do they disqualify a believer from heaven.

That's true, once saved always saved. We are now sealed until redemption Ephesians 4:30 and our inheritance in heaven will never fade away. 1 Peter 1:4

 

[childeye]

Thanks John Zain for the New thread. Yes there are habitual sins, particularly lying which encompasses the whole of sin both objectively and subjectively. And the lies and liars and lied to (unbelievers) are all under the false absolute in reasoning of a false image of god. Consequently the sanctification is carried out by the Truth (Holy Spirit) through revelation of the True Image of God. To me, it's that simple and scripture is just reitaerating this in many different ways... Belief in a false image of god = lies, corruption, habitual sin. Belief in the True Image of God = sanctification.

 

[farouk]

Yes, the weakness of the OSAS idea.

Now, please explain WHY we need to be sanctified, since we cannot be disqualified from heaven? If we are covered with Christ and the Father can't see our sins, why be sanctified at all? What is the NEED to suffer, be disciplined, die to self, pick up our cross, even pray!!!

If one doesn't, will their evil self bleed through the cover of Christ???

Regards

Try: 'never sanctified, never saved'!

For example, look at the greetings at the beginning of the various Epistles. Clearly, those who say they believe are regarded as being set apart for God. (And their sins needed forgiving, too.)

 

[Deborah13]

Yes, the weakness of the OSAS idea.

Now, please explain WHY we need to be sanctified, since we cannot be disqualified from heaven? If we are covered with Christ and the Father can't see our sins, why be sanctified at all? What is the NEED to suffer, be disciplined, die to self, pick up our cross, even pray!!!

If one doesn't, will their evil self bleed through the cover of Christ???

Regards

Why do we need to be sancified? Seeing WE are saved? These statements breath "self, myself, me, I, mine".

We need to be sancified to Glorify the Lord so that we can walk in the Spirit, to shine the light of our Savior across a godless world.

So that others will see and be saved.

It's not about me, myself, and I. It's about JESUS.

 

[childeye]

It is self -evident that anytime we say what is morally right or wrong we are saying what we think god would say. Therefore one's image of god defines his or her moral/immoral empathy.

 

[farouk]

The other point which can be made is that if I habitually indulge in sin, yet boast I am saved, then it begs the question whether I've really experienced God's life-changing salvation.

 

[childeye]

Question: Is there something to learn from ignorance? Warning: trick question.

 

[childeye]

The other point which can be made is that if I habitually indulge in sin, yet boast I am saved, then it begs the question whether I've really experienced God's life-changing salvation.

Yes it certainly does beg that question. It serves only blindness to believe in a false gospel. However, a precise definition of sin would be a pre-requisite for an accurate assessment.

 

[farouk]

Yes it certainly does beg that question. It serves only blindness to believe in a false gospel. However, a precise definition of sin would be a pre-requisite for an accurate assessment.

childeye: 'I would love you to know the Savior' does beg the question: 'Savior from what?'

 

[childeye]

childeye: 'I would love you to know the Savior' does beg the question: 'Savior from what?'

Nice rephrase. This is the precise affect of the Gospel upon the subconscious.