Understanding The Law Of Moses - With The Help Of The Prophets And The Apostles

[journeymanisnothing]

Just as the light of the moon can only be seen at night, so it is with the commandments of the law.

The moon represents all believers, whether Jew of gentile. Moon reflects Sun light. Believers reflect Son light,

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that greatand notable day of the Lord come: Act.2:20, Joe.2:32

Peter cited this proohecy as a current reality, a fulfillment because the "scholars" called him evil and killed him and the church was being persecuted, called evil'

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and lightf or darkness Isa.5:20

Whoever wants to watch them will himself be plunged into darkness. Those who walk in the light of love and mercy have no need of the letter of the law.
Why do you still need a law? Are you not in the light of love?

Because sometimes after we have been forgiven we

forgetteth what manner of man he (we) was (were). Jas.1:24
Example,

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. Mt.18:26-27

light breeze:
Yes. And all who are under the law are still under the dominion of sin.

Exactly right and so,

after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, becausethou desiredst me. Shouldest not thoualso have had compassion on thyfellow servant, even as I had pity on thee? Mt.18:32-33

He wanted mercy and received it, but wanted the law to exact judgment on someone for what he was guilty of doing.

This is why David said, "I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me." Psa.51:3

David kept the law in rememberance that he was saved by grace.

Peter 2nd 3;18
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

You're in way over your head bro. Peter is referring to the heresy that began as a result of Paul telling gentiles they didn't need to have skin removed to be saved. We don't need to abstain from pulled oork sandwiches. Paul never meant we don't need to obey Jesus,

account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2Pet.3:15

Can you hear what Peter is warning us about?

If our dear Lord had not been longsuffering...patient beyond belief...putting up with sinners bs, not wanting to bring us into judgment, he could have torn our stupids heads off!

Are you waking up?

 

[eddif]

The moon represents all believers, whether Jew of gentile. Moon reflects Sun light. Believers reflect Son light,

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that greatand notable day of the Lord come: Act.2:20, Joe.2:32

Peter cited this proohecy as a current reality, a fulfillment because the "scholars" called him evil and killed him and the church was being persecuted, called evil'

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and lightf or darkness Isa.5:20

Because sometimes after we have been forgiven we

forgetteth what manner of man he (we) was (were). Jas.1:24
Example,

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. Mt.18:26-27

Exactly right and so,

after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, becausethou desiredst me. Shouldest not thoualso have had compassion on thyfellow servant, even as I had pity on thee? Mt.18:32-33

He wanted mercy and received it, but wanted the law to exact judgment on someone for what he was guilty of doing.

This is why David said, "I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me." Psa.51:3

David kept the law in rememberance that he was saved by grace.


You're in way over your head bro. Peter is referring to the heresy that began as a result of Paul telling gentiles they didn't need to have skin removed to be saved. We don't need to abstain from pulled oork sandwiches. Paul never meant we don't need to obey Jesus,

account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2Pet.3:15

Can you hear what Peter is warning us about?

If our dear Lord had not been longsuffering...patient beyond belief...putting up with sinners bs, not wanting to bring us into judgment, he could have torn our stupids heads off!

Are you waking up?

OP & title please.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Galatians 5;4
"You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
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"you who attempt to be justified by law" . What does it mean ? This means that a person believes that, guided by the letter of the law, he is doing the right thing. In his opinion this is the will of God. But what is written in this verse? It is written that such a person has estranged himself from Christ, that he has firstborn fallen from grace. He has something to boast about, but not before God, as Romans 4:2 says. To whom do you seek to boast?

First off.

You are welcome here.

Do try to seek after peace.

IMHO just looking into the law is not quite as bad as:
Telling folks you have to be circumcised
That every food law is in effect today
Every Holy day must be observed

Some people are still learning.

Jesus was The Sacrifice for sins. To talk about the blemish free lamb is IMHO ok

The Romans declared Jesus guiltless.
Not just blemish free, but above that.

This is an area that has a lot of side notes that completely go against scripture. We can discuss those areas peacefully.

eddif

 

[journeymanisnothing]

OP & title please.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I'm sorry edfif I dont understand your post Title OP is how the prophets and apostles interpreted Torah, the 1st 5 books.

Here is light breezes' objection,

lightbreeze:
Show me at least one person who would receive the Holy Spirit through fulfilling the law of commandments.
Just as the light of the moon can only be seen at night, so it is with the commandments of the law.

The moon shines and goes through phases because the law Giver is the source. His light was eclipsed, darkened by the relighois leaders who said Jesus was cursed.
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[journeymanisnothing]

OP & title please.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Hey eddif.
I appologize. I think see what you're saying now. I addressed someone other than the original poster, right?
I will take care of that right away.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hey eddif.
I appologize. I think see what you're saying now. I addressed someone other than the original poster, right?
I will take care of that right away.

In this thread, in Theology, you can address whoever you want to.

Frankly, I didn't understand that post either.

 

[eddif]

Hey eddif.
I appologize. I think see what you're saying now. I addressed someone other than the original poster, right?
I will take care of that right away.

We are not in questions and answers you are good in that sense.

I am trying to put out little fire flares (heated discussions a little off track).

I was trying to get us back to the law.

It really was an attempt to not have a side argument. I should have placed a LOL.

If things go well, side discussions do not phase me. And hey you are in authority on this site, and I am acting as a fire fighter too.
I’ll try and do better.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[journeymanisnothing]

We are not in questions and answers you are good in that sense.

I am trying to put out little fire flares (heated discussions a little off track).

I was trying to get us back to the law.

It really was an attempt to not have a side argument. I should have placed a LOL.

If things go well, side discussions do not phase me. And hey you are in authority on this site, and I am acting as a fire fighter too.
I’ll try and do better.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Thanks. I'm really screwed up. My head is swimming.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

In this thread, in Theology, you can address whoever you want to.

Frankly, I didn't understand that post either.

Thanks again. I misundertood what my redneck brither was saying. I need another coffee lol.

 

[eddif]

In this thread, in Theology, you can address whoever you want to.

Frankly, I didn't understand that post either.

Stay on OP and title LOL
Welcome back to the discussion.

Everyone can get along.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

It's clear if you believe
It is not easy for everyone to accept that keeping the commandments of the law does not bring praise before God.
Romans 4:2
"For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God."

I backed up to this post. 202

It is not an easy subject to discuss.

Are there 3 fronts facing each other.
1. The law is done with - Gone
2. The law is still in effect so be circumcised and keep the law of Moses along with Christianity.
3. The law is information that has to be used lawfully.

We actually could pick a number and argue:
Is so
Is not

If we ask God for the knowledge, wisdom and understanding about the Law of Moses, he will answer.

If we rely on our carnal understanding we may get answers, but are they correct?

If we can (by the grace of God we can) let us deal with the Answers the Body Of Christ supplies.

We are individually parts of the Body.

Y’all tell me (if I am allowed to make requests).

What are the rules for.
Using the law lawfully

1 Timothy 1:8 kjv
8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11. According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Could we start with these verses?

Mississippi redneck
eddif.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I backed up to this post. 202

It is not an easy subject to discuss.

Are there 3 fronts facing each other.
1. The law is done with - Gone
2. The law is still in effect so be circumcised and keep the law of Moses along with Christianity.
3. The law is information that has to be used lawfully.

We actually could pick a number and argue:
Is so
Is not

If we ask God for the knowledge, wisdom and understanding about the Law of Moses, he will answer.

If we rely on our carnal understanding we may get answers, but are they correct?

If we can (by the grace of God we can) let us deal with the Answers the Body Of Christ supplies.

We are individually parts of the Body.

Y’all tell me (if I am allowed to make requests).

What are the rules for.
Using the law lawfully

1 Timothy 1:8 kjv
8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10. For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealersI , for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11. According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Could we start with these verses?

Mississippi redneck
eddif.

I was trying to answer the question why do we need the law since we're under grace and thought the reason I gave was logical. Sorry that I caused confusion.

 

[eddif]

Thanks. I'm really screwed up. My head is swimming.

All our heads swim from time to time.

In a sense I am way beyond who I am on this thread.

Be thinking about the 10 Commandments. I hope to discuss them along with and inside the Law. The scary thing is I am no expert here.

Commandments contained in ordinances? Who talks about that? Hopefully a few more people have some insight. All I see now is the ordinance about the ox treading out the corn is not totally about the ox. It is about the preacher workman getting pay if they do. a good job ( if the congregation has funds).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

I do have a much more elaborate reply to the above.
But it's late here.
If I can, I'll link something.
Otherwise, more tomorrow.

The following is pretty good.
I do want to say that you mention Jesus' Law and God's Law as if it were 2 different ideas.
The Law of Love is found in the OT.
Jesus reiterated that love in the NT or New Covenant.
If you notice, all of Jesus' commandments are centered around love.

Also, because He mentioned only some of the 10 and not all of them, we can say that LOVE covers all of them

YOU SHALL LOVE GOD
The first four commandments

YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
The next 6

AS YOURSELF
You must love God and yourself before you can love anyone else.
This also covers sins to our body (drug use etc.).

1. Moral – No Expiration because it is based on God’s character. “You shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy,” (Lev. 19:2)
   
   1. Idolatry (Lev. 26:1-13)
   2. Love God (Deut. 6:4)
   3. Love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18)
   4. Oppress your neighbor (Lev. 19:13)
   5. Stealing or lying (Lev. 19:11)
   6. Sacrifice children to Molech forbidden (Lev. 20:1-5)
   7. Sexual sins: adultery, incest, bestiality, homosexuality, etc. (Lev. 18:20; 20:9-21; Num. 5:12-15)

source: https://carm.org/about-doctrine/what-are-the-main-divisions-of-the-old-testament-law/

wondering I think it was you I rember mentioning the Ten Commandments. Could you explain why they fit in the law an are still are for today. Not a trick question but we all need to go there in this thread.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

All our heads swim from time to time.

In a sense I am way beyond who I am on this thread.

Be thinking about the 10 Commandments. I hope to discuss them along with and inside the Law. The scary thing is I am no expert here.

Commandments contained in ordinances? Who talks about that? Hopefully a few more people have some insight. All I see now is the ordinance about the ox treading out the corn is not totally about the ox. It is about the preacher workman getting pay if they do. a good job ( if the congregation has funds).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

wondering I think it was you I rennet

Ediff, I don't understand...

 

[eddif]

Ediff, I don't understand...

If you go back and read the edit part may explain.
I bumped post before I finished the post.I want to discuss why the 10 commandments fit the law and why they might fit today. How they would fit today and how we can have that conversation,

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

If you go back and read the edit part may explain.
I bumped post before I finished the post.I want to discuss why the 10 commandments fit the law and why they might fit today. How they would fit today and how we can have that conversation,

eddif

Yes. This is important.
But it'll have to wait till tomorrow.
Big question...

 

[GodsGrace]

If you go back and read the edit part may explain.
I bumped post before I finished the post.I want to discuss why the 10 commandments fit the law and why they might fit today. How they would fit today and how we can have that conversation,

eddif

Do You think the 10 commandments are part of the Law?

 

[eddif]

wondering hawkman Hidden In Him
Others

eddif Post 220 is the Timothy passage to develop laws to help the Law of Moses and the 10 commandments fitting into today.
And, I mean using the law lawfully.

Am I being vague? Yes. Am I doing it on purpose? Yes. Will I finally talk if these hints do not work? Yes absolutely.

If I just start as an eddif reality it may stall.

If we all can struggle through using the law lawfully (including the 10 commandments) I think it will work.

Threads often just give up. I am holding for some insight helped by all of us.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Do You think the 10 commandments are part of the Law?

i want to dodge that question.

I am asking no one to be circumcised, and I am asking no one to follow the law of Moses today. Some will think that I am.

IMHO in a redneck way I can answer your question with yes.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

All our heads swim from time to time.

In a sense I am way beyond who I am on this thread.

Me too. So were the Apostles. They we're walking around with him learning and still had to ask if he wanted them to barbecue people. They needed to learn not to comdemn people who hated them. If God didn't come to kill his enemies, who are we (his former enemies) to think we have a right to?

For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me. Rom.15:3

Be thinking about the 10 Commandments. I hope to discuss them along with and inside the Law. The scary thing is I am no expert here.

I not either but a Jewish lover of Jesus schooled me. If we want to properly understand the law, we meed to point it at ourselves not others.

Commandments contained in ordinances? Who talks about that?

Someone who understands that the ordinances (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Col.2:21) were figures of what not to take into our hearts. Those who opposed the Messiah made a show of obeying fleshly laws, but they weren't i their hearts, which the figures sumbolized.

for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Mt.23:23

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Rom.2:25

Paul never said we don't have to keep the law. He meant carnal laws God symbolizing holiness are useless unless we take them to heart. For instance, Abraham was circumcised outwardly as a sugn if his faith.
Bread and wine the same only worse, because they represent the tormented mangled body and spilled blood of our Lord told them to drink it because they would suffer as he did,

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 1Cor.11:29

eddif:
Hopefully a few more people have some insight. All I see now is the ordinance about the ox treading out the corn is not totally about the ox. It is about the preacher workman getting pay if they do. a good job ( if the congregation has funds).

Well, I learned a lot from that soul I mentioned. There are many symbols and I know many, but far from all. If you have anything specific I might be able to help.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

wondering I think it was you I rember mentioning the Ten Commandments. Could you explain why they fit in the law an are still are for today. Not a trick question but we all need to go there in this thread.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

If you understand that Jesus wasn't our substitute, but Gods' "substitute", you'll understand the law says "Jesus bearing our sins" mesns he "put up with a lot of crud from us." Like his Father does every day in Spirit. The Son did so in flesh.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Sorry for the typos. It's sometimes painful to correct them