Unique, Not Only-Begotten

[Randy]

for the Father to EXALT Jesus Christ, to Whom EVERY KNEE WILL BOW in WORSHIP, is one of the strongest Testimonies that Jesus Christ is YHWH! Especially as the passage in Isaiah is speaking about YHWH!!!

You have been stumped!

Am I.
Jesus is Lord,
Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28 And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all. 29 If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead?

He is declared Lord as He was given that name by God.
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Runningman]

Philippians 2

9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

from Isaiah 45, where these Words are used for YHWH

21 Speak up and present your case
yes, let them take counsel together.
Who predicted this long ago?
Who announced it from ancient times?
Was it not I, Yahweh?
There is no other God but Me,
a righteous God and Savior;
there is no one except Me.
22 Turn to Me and be saved,
all the ends of the earth.
For I am God,
and there is no other.
23 By Myself I have sworn;
Truth has gone from My mouth,
a word that will not be revoked:
Every knee will bow to Me,
every tongue will swear allegiance

Jesus Christ is YHWH!

The Father is YHWH, not Jesus. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, AKA God. That means Jesus isn't God. Jesus is exalted to a high place at God's right hand.

Psalm 110:1
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’

 

[Randy]

WHAT ABOUT Hebrews 2:10?

By not dealing honestly with this, shows that you use double-standards in what the Bible says to suit your theology!

I have read that but the role of the Father and His Son was specifically stated in regard to the creation.


yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

This is cohesive with John
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

This cohesive with Hebrews
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe

And the host of heaven
“You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”

Bottom Line, the Father from whom all things came created by, through and for His Son.

For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.

 

[SolaScriptura]

The Father is YHWH, not Jesus. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, AKA God. That means Jesus isn't God. Jesus is exalted to a high place at God's right hand.

Psalm 110:1
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to Yahweh

Psalm 110:1 – “nü´ùm Yehôvâh lA´dönî” A very important verse, and Psalm. In the greater majority of English Versions, we have as in the King James Bible, “The LORD said unto my Lord”. In some Versions, like the 2011 New International, Good News, English Standard Version, New American Bible...

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[GodsGrace]

Can you not read? Jesus calls the Father His God and Father. He also states the Father is the only true God and calls no other God. He states the Father is greater than Him.

In addition we read He received authority from the Father. He learned from the Father. He stated He lived by the Father. He was exalted by the Father.

And you think they are coequal? You need to go to the eye doctor. Jesus is all that the Father is because it pleased Him that His Deity, (without limit), as in fullness should dwell in His Firstborn. By "His" command and at "His" will "He" brought into existence all things through, by and for His Firstborn as it's shown as Him who is living in His Son without limit,

The Father, the God who out of love for the world sent Jesus, elevated Jesus, and spoke by Jesus as one living in Him and reconciled all things to "Himself" through Christ's blood on the cross has not learned nor received from any other being and is unbegotten.
To serve the Father in Spirit and truth.
A kingdom of Priests to serve Jesus's God and Father
One God the Father from whom all things came and "for whom we live"


One God the Father, One Lord Jesus Christ
To Him who sits on the throne and to the lamb
The kingdoms of this world become the Kingdoms of God and His Christ.

It has always been from that beginning "The Church of the Firstborn"

Hebrews 12:23​

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New International Version​

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23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

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[Randy]

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to Yahweh

Psalm 110:1 – “nü´ùm Yehôvâh lA´dönî” A very important verse, and Psalm. In the greater majority of English Versions, we have as in the King James Bible, “The LORD said unto my Lord”. In some Versions, like the 2011 New International, Good News, English Standard Version, New American Bible...

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That's not who Jesus implied that David was calling His Lord.
Greatly Implied by Jesus-If David calls the Christ His Lord how then can the Christ be His Son?
Jesus is Christ the Lord. As opposed to God the Father.

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

 

[SolaScriptura]

That's not who Jesus implied that David was calling His Lord.
Greatly Implied by Jesus-If David calls the Christ His Lord how then can the Christ be His Son?
Jesus is Christ the Lord. As opposed to God the Father.

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

As per usual your replies reflect your theology and not what the Bible actually teaches

 

[Randy]

As per usual your replies reflect your theology and not what the Bible actually teaches

I could say ditto.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Your singular software translations of single words is leading you astray in this case.

For the expression is "The Lord" the God of all
said to "my Lord" a much narrow subset not expressed as "The Lord" the God of all

You are presenting The Lord said to The Lord so regardless of the singular meaning of the word Lord I truly believe the meaning is God said to My Lord . And surely Jesus implied David was calling the Christ His Lord.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Not that either.

Romans 8
17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

is any of us exalted as king of kings and lord or lords? Will any of us rule the kingdom with an iron rod? Don’t be silly, just because we’re coheirs doesn’t mean we’ll usurp the Lord’s authority. We the body submits to the head.

 

[Runningman]

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to Yahweh

Psalm 110:1 – “nü´ùm Yehôvâh lA´dönî” A very important verse, and Psalm. In the greater majority of English Versions, we have as in the King James Bible, “The LORD said unto my Lord”. In some Versions, like the 2011 New International, Good News, English Standard Version, New American Bible...

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So you believe Jesus is his own Father?

 

[Runningman]

is any of us exalted as king of kings and lord or lords?

Verse?

Will any of us rule the kingdom with an iron rod?

Yes.

Revelation 2
26And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. 27He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father. 28And I will give him the morning star.

Don’t be silly,

just because we’re coheirs doesn’t mean we’ll usurp the Lord’s authority. We the body submits to the head.

The body submits to the head and the head submits to God.


1 Corinthians 11
3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Verse?

Yeah, verse? Jesus is exalted as the king of kings and lord of lords in Rev. 19:16, that's what makes him "unique" as the only legitimate son and rightful heir. I'm asking you, where does it say that we as coheirs are exalted like Jesus? That's your big idea, isn't it?

Yes.

Revelation 2
26And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. 27He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father. 28And I will give him the morning star.

Read again, man. 2:27 syas HE, not we! Does it say "the church will rule them"?

The body submits to the head and the head submits to God.

"I and the father are ONE." - Jn. 10:30

 

[SolaScriptura]

I could say ditto.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Your singular software translations of single words is leading you astray in this case.

For the expression is "The Lord" the God of all
said to "my Lord" a much narrow subset not expressed as "The Lord" the God of all

You are presenting The Lord said to The Lord so regardless of the singular meaning of the word Lord I truly believe the meaning is God said to My Lord . And surely Jesus implied David was calling the Christ His Lord.

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Jesus Christ The Only Wise God It is argued by some, that verses in the Bible, like John 17:3, where the Father is called, “The only True God”; and Romans 16:27, where the Father is called, “God only wise”; that Jesus Christ is not “God” (ὁ θεὸς), because in these passages, the Father is...

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[SolaScriptura]

So you believe Jesus is his own Father?

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are THREE DISTINCT Persons, Who are EQUALLY YHWH in One Godhead or Divine Nature. Hence the Trinity. Totally Biblical, for those who want to really know what the Word of God says about GOD!

 

[Runningman]

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are THREE DISTINCT Persons, Who are EQUALLY YHWH in One Godhead or Divine Nature. Hence the Trinity. Totally Biblical, for those who want to really know what the Word of God says about GOD!

YHWH is singular and is the personal name of God, therefore God is a singular person, not three distinct persons. We're fortunate to have Psalm 110:1 because not only does it clearly demonstrate that God (YHWH) is not Jesus, but is actually the Father, the only one Jesus said is his God. Paul said YHWH is Jesus's God. Peter said it as well. This is mainstream Christian belief regarding who God and Jesus are, but perhaps nowadays not so much. Not very many believers in the One True God anymore. Likely a sign of the end times.

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord[YHWH] said to my Lord,[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

 

[Runningman]

Yeah, verse? Jesus is exalted as the king of kings and lord of lords in Rev. 19:16, that's what makes him "unique" as the only legitimate son and rightful heir.

Revelation 19:16 isn't about Jesus. The rider on the white horse is God which is apparent early on. Verse 20 says, " He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows." Jesus doesn't know everything God knows so if there is no one else who knows then that would of course be speaking of God, not Jesus.

I'm asking you, where does it say that we as coheirs are exalted like Jesus? That's your big idea, isn't it?

Just not sure what your point is. It isn't a title exclusive to God.

Ezra 7
12Artaxerxes, king of kings.

Read again, man. 2:27 syas HE, not we! Does it say "the church will rule them"?

It's referring to singular people, from the church, who all together would be the church. We'll rule together with Jesus.

2 Tim 2
12if we endure,
we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him,
He will also deny us;

"I and the father are ONE." - Jn. 10:30

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Revelation 19:16 isn't about Jesus. The rider on the white horse is God which is apparent early on. Verse 20 says, " He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows." Jesus doesn't know everything God knows so if there is no one else who knows then that would of course be speaking of God, not Jesus.

That name is Word of God, Rev. 19:13, the same Word in John 1:1. Scripture doesn't contradict itself.

Just not sure what your point is. It isn't a title exclusive to God.

Ezra 7
12Artaxerxes, king of kings.

So? The same is said to king Nebudchadnezzar: "You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory;" (Dan. 2:37) This title is given to Nebudchadnezzar and Artaxerxes because they're antichrist figures who had stolen this title which only belongs to Christ - "The Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings." (Rev. 17:14)

It's referring to singular people, from the church, who all together would be the church. We'll rule together with Jesus.

No, it's referring to Christ and Christ only.

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

"remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you." (Rom. 11:18)

 

[SolaScriptura]

YHWH is singular and is the personal name of God, therefore God is a singular person, not three distinct persons. We're fortunate to have Psalm 110:1 because not only does it clearly demonstrate that God (YHWH) is not Jesus, but is actually the Father, the only one Jesus said is his God. Paul said YHWH is Jesus's God. Peter said it as well. This is mainstream Christian belief regarding who God and Jesus are, but perhaps nowadays not so much. Not very many believers in the One True God anymore. Likely a sign of the end times.

Acts 2
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord[YHWH] said to my Lord,[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
35until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.” ’

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to Yahweh

Psalm 110:1 – “nü´ùm Yehôvâh lA´dönî” A very important verse, and Psalm. In the greater majority of English Versions, we have as in the King James Bible, “The LORD said unto my Lord”. In some Versions, like the 2011 New International, Good News, English Standard Version, New American Bible...

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[Carry_Your_Name]

Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to Yahweh

Psalm 110:1 – “nü´ùm Yehôvâh lA´dönî” A very important verse, and Psalm. In the greater majority of English Versions, we have as in the King James Bible, “The LORD said unto my Lord”. In some Versions, like the 2011 New International, Good News, English Standard Version, New American Bible...

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Another key verse is Dan. 7:13 -

“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He (Son of Man) came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him."

This is the same throne room scene with two distinct figures.

 

[SolaScriptura]

Another key verse is Dan. 7:13 -

“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He (Son of Man) came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him."

This is the same throne room scene with two distinct figures.

Very important passage, but does not show that Jesus Christ is YHWH, as is clear in Psalm 110:1, 5