What do we believe about the Resurrection?

[Chopper]

I do not want to derail this thread. I recently commented on that passage in post #28 here.

I read your post #28. Actually what I'm about to say, is about the OP. We are speaking about the resurrection of Christ Jesus. Or as you call Him Yashua. The resurrection of the Christ of God brings a conclusion to many of the prophesies of the Prophets because they were fulfilled in Yeshua. These prophesies as I suspect you already know were shadows of the coming Christ Jesus. (I speak English, my KJV and ESV are written in English therefore I see no reason for me to follow your addressing Him in the Hebrew tongue.

It is my opinion that your post #61 is an insult to traditional Christian dogma. Your refusal to be called a "Christ One" or Christian furthers the insult. It appears to me that you would rather worship and devote yourself to the "shadows" of the Hebrew Scriptures rather than the resurrected Anointed One, Jesus the Christ of God.

Actually this post might be considered a judgment of your heart, I don't mean it to be that, only that like the Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians, 3:1 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?".... I feel that I must warn you because I feel that you are in danger of believing a different Gospel than what the Apostle set forth in his letters to the churches.

Jesus has resurrected. I worship the Jesus who was resurrected on the first day of the week. His resurrection gives me life from the burden of the Law that no Jew was able to keep. Galatians 2:20 places the resurrected Christ inside of me. Why would I neglect such a great work of God in disregarding His resurrection day in favor of a Hebrew shadow.

 

[reba]

Hey folks, I'd to take a minute to ask you to extend to ezrider some respect that I don't think is being shown. This thread is about a topic that has not been presented as yet. I'm very interested in what ezrider has to say. If you take note of my last post, you will see what ezrider is looking for. Can't you put the topic of Jesus being the resurrection and how that would apply to you instead of trying to derail the OP. That is what I see, forgive me if I'm wrong.

I'd like to see more comments on what Christ's resurrection could mean for our lives here on earth before what we all know as the final resurrection of the living and dead. Are you living a resurrected life? Do you know what that even means? Why don't you examine your own theology and see where this topic fits. If all you want to do is harass ezrider, then start your own thread and get to it.

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What do we believe about the Resurrection?

 

[ezra]

What do we believe about the Resurrection?

with out our faith is in vain and we have no eternal life.... which means we have no victory over any thing sin death sickness . i rest my case jesus said Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, john 11:25

 

[jocor]

I read your post #28. Actually what I'm about to say, is about the OP. We are speaking about the resurrection of Christ Jesus. Or as you call Him Yashua. The resurrection of the Christ of God brings a conclusion to many of the prophesies of the Prophets because they were fulfilled in Yeshua. These prophesies as I suspect you already know were shadows of the coming Christ Jesus.

I agree.

It is my opinion that your post #61 is an insult to traditional Christian dogma. Your refusal to be called a "Christ One" or Christian furthers the insult. It appears to me that you would rather worship and devote yourself to the "shadows" of the Hebrew Scriptures rather than the resurrected Anointed One, Jesus the Christ of God.

Your assessment of me is incorrect. I am devoted to Yeshua the Messiah of YHWH. Yeshua said, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mt 7:21. It is my heart’s desire to do Yahweh’s will. That is Yeshua’s desire for his followers. Yahweh’s will is found in His Law which Yeshua kept perfectly. Within that Law are unfulfilled shadows that are to be kept by ALL believers until they are fulfilled. If Yeshua fulfilled them, then Paul would not have said they ARE shadows of things TO COME.

Actually this post might be considered a judgment of your heart, I don't mean it to be that, only that like the Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians, 3:1 "O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?".... I feel that I must warn you because I feel that you are in danger of believing a different Gospel than what the Apostle set forth in his letters to the churches.

I am not seeking perfection by the flesh. I seek to obey the truth, but what is the truth? Yeshua is the truth, therefore I endeavor to obey him. The Law is the truth (Psalm 119:142), therefore I endeavor to obey the Law. In Galatians 3, Paul is coming against justification by works of the Law as is evident by verse 11. He is NOT coming against obeying the Law as a fruit of one’s faith.

Jesus has resurrected. I worship the Jesus who was resurrected on the first day of the week. His resurrection gives me life from the burden of the Law that no Jew was able to keep.

Yeshua was a Jew who obeyed the Law. You call the Law a “burden," but the Apostle John says it is not “burdensome” (I John 5:3 NASB). The psalmist says the Law is his “delight” (119:70,77,174).

Galatians 2:20places the resurrected Christ inside of me. Why would I neglect such a great work of God in disregarding His resurrection day in favor of a Hebrew shadow.

Yeshua’s resurrection fell on a Sunday that year only because the wave sheaf offering of Lev 23:10-11 fell on a Sunday that year. Yeshua’s resurrection fulfills the wave sheaf offering. Do you neglect Abib 16 (the true resurrection day) each year? I don’t “neglect such a great work of God in disregarding His resurrection day” because I honor it and rejoice in it on Abib 16 every year. (Edited, ToS 2.4, offering unwelcome spiritual advice. Obadiah)

 

[JLB]

The resurrection, as in the final resurrection, is physical. There is simply no other way it can be understood.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
1Co 15:15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Co 15:19 If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.
1Co 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
1Co 15:21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. (ESV)

There shouldn't be any need for me to post proof that Jesus was physically raised from the dead. This alone puts the argument to rest.

Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
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Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (ESV)

Notice that this chapter first speaks of the dead coming back to life, the first resurrection, and then at the end of the thousand years and the following battle, the dead are then raised and judged. There simply is no way around the fact that the final resurrection is physical.

Good post.

The Resurrection is physical as Jesus' physical body was resurrected yet retained the scars of the cross.

Likewise the Resurrection of the dead in Christ is the same and will occur at His Coming.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
1 Cofinthians 15:22-23

JLB

 

[Free]

FreeI feel that these verses are very important and extremely significant to our establishing the foundation of our understanding of the way that Jesus wanted us to see resurrection. But you made a fatal flaw in your characterization of these scriptures, and I truly wonder why that is. Is it within our own human nature that we almost seemingly reject the word of God out of hand, imparting our own meaning into the scripture? Or do we automatically look for something wrong, looking for some point of contention? I don't know, but in saying this I am pointing out that with your own words, you transposed the meaning of the word error into something false. These scriptures, and the commentary that I have applied to them never implied that there was no final resurrection on the last day. Only that they did not understand the resurrection of the dead correctly.

On the contrary, you very, very strongly implied that there was no final resurrection on the last day. Look at what you wrote:

"From these passages and from Acts 23:8 we are told that the Sadducees say there is no resurrection, but the Pharisees did believe in a resurrection. As to what the Pharisees actually believed I do not know, but the line of questioning the Sadducees are applying here tends toward the belief in a physical bodily resurrection where they will once again pick up their lives in heaven. But to this line of thinking Jesus told them they were in error, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God. And then he corrected them saying God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. I wonder if Martha believed in a resurrection like the Pharisees or as the Sadducees tried depicting it?

John 11:24-26 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I will have more to say on this passage as it relates to John 5:28-29 and Rev 20:5-6 later on, but for now I want to stay focused on Martha’s belief in a resurrection at the last day, and Jesus correcting her saying I am the Resurrection. This is the first key to understanding the resurrection of the dead: JESUS IS THE RESURRECTION."

And from the start of your second post:

"So if your thinking on the resurrection at the last day is more in line with that of Martha, or whatever the Pharisees believed, or how the Sadducees presented their understanding of the resurrection, then know that Jesus said that you are in error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God. So lets look closer at the response that Jesus gave the Sadducees, because this is the second key to understanding the resurrection of the dead"

Sorry but there is simply no other way to understand this than that you are saying there is no bodily resurrection at the last day. That is what Martha stated and you very clearly state that to believe likewise is error.

So what we have then is that you are the one clearly in error; that is what my posts show based on context and a straightforward reading of Scripture. That was the whole point of my fairly long discussion of those passages, which you did not address. Instead you just say that I "made a fatal flaw in your characterization of these scriptures," and yet don't bother to try and explain where I've supposedly gone wrong.

You also question, "Is it within our own human nature that we almost seemingly reject the word of God out of hand, imparting our own meaning into the scripture?" This implies that I am imparting my own meaning onto Scripture, yet you then go on to say, "the commentary that I have applied to them." You've done the very thing you accuse me of doing. The difference though is that you are misrepresenting what those passages are saying in order to fit your own supposed personal revelation.

I brought with me into this thread only one presupposition, and that was that Jesus said unto me that I did not understand the resurrection as I should, because I did not know the scriptures or the power of God as I should. This started as a conversation. If I hold this one most important of doctrine of my salvation in error, then how can I trust to my salvation that depends upon it. If I am to believe the error of my understanding, then please Lord reveal unto me the truth of it, show me what you want me to see and I will believe. I can not explain to you any more than this, and that is to say that this has been a progressive revelation that has only revealed itself through the expression of thought, not the study or interpretation of the Bible. The revelation that has been given to me, I have given to you. What I have seen have I showed unto you. There is nothing more that I can do, belief and Faith is up to you.

Again, thank you for your participation in this thread. Your comments have been valuable in the process of this revelation. I should hope you might try to re-examine the words that I have shared throughout this thread, and instead of trying to see this as a Bible lesson or some private interpretation of scripture, please take this as it is. My testimony of Christ, and revelation of His Spirit with my heart. If you doubt, then be as the Bereans, and search the scripture to so if it is not so.

How can I not see this as "some private interpretation of Scripture," since that is precisely what it is, by your own words even: "I brought with me into this thread only one presupposition, and that was that Jesus said unto me that I did not understand the resurrection as I should...and that is to say that this has been a progressive revelation that has only revealed itself through the expression of thought." That is a private interpretation, even if you claim it is revelation. If a supposed revelation misuses Scripture, do you really think it is from God?

 

[Free]

Free, I am not sure as to why you would be asking me this question at this point other than to assume that you have not taken the time to read my other posts and responses. Maybe you are only interested in my responses to you because you wish to debate the interpretation of of specific scriptures. But you will never hear what I have said unless you take the time to read all of my posts and responses. They describe for you the vision of my journey of the revelation of Christ who lives within me. I am not teaching you scripture. I am giving you the Word of God as it speaks to me from within my heart.

I have to ask you that question because, as I pointed out in my previous post, you are being very contradictory in your statements. Of course most of what I have read are your responses to me because what Scripture says is vitally important. We ought not make it say things it doesn't say, where it doesn't say it. But that is what you been doing. As such, I must call into question the truth of the claim that this is truly a revelation of Christ. If it were, it would agree with Scripture.

I should say that you may not necessarily be wrong, but none of the Scripture I have seen in your posts to me seems to support your position, which desperately needs to be made much more clear.

If you wish to read the answer to your question, then please see my response to jocor in post # 57. You might also want to read my response to him in post #53 as well. You will find your answer there.

Okay, in reading post #53, I see this: "The question is do you really believe what's written on the pages of your Bible?" So now I must ask you why do you seem to disagree with my wanting to "debate the interpretation of specific Scriptures"? I debate them precisely because we must first know "what's written on the pages of [our Bibles]" before we can put belief in them.

You use Rom 6:5 in post #53 but that too is referring to resurrection on the last day.

2 Corinthians 3:3-6 For as much as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
And such trust have we through Christ to God- ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 3:12-16 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Simply posting passages doesn't say anything. What are you trying to say by posting these?

 

[ezrider]

On the contrary, you very, very strongly implied that there was no final resurrection on the last day. Look at what you wrote:

"From these passages and from Acts 23:8 we are told that the Sadducees say there is no resurrection, but the Pharisees did believe in a resurrection. As to what the Pharisees actually believed I do not know, but the line of questioning the Sadducees are applying here tends toward the belief in a physical bodily resurrection where they will once again pick up their lives in heaven. But to this line of thinking Jesus told them they were in error, not knowing the scriptures or the power of God. And then he corrected them saying God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. I wonder if Martha believed in a resurrection like the Pharisees or as the Sadducees tried depicting it?

John 11:24-26 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I will have more to say on this passage as it relates to John 5:28-29 and Rev 20:5-6 later on, but for now I want to stay focused on Martha’s belief in a resurrection at the last day, and Jesus correcting her saying I am the Resurrection. This is the first key to understanding the resurrection of the dead: JESUS IS THE RESURRECTION."

And from the start of your second post:

"So if your thinking on the resurrection at the last day is more in line with that of Martha, or whatever the Pharisees believed, or how the Sadducees presented their understanding of the resurrection, then know that Jesus said that you are in error, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God. So lets look closer at the response that Jesus gave the Sadducees, because this is the second key to understanding the resurrection of the dead"

Sorry but there is simply no other way to understand this than that you are saying there is no bodily resurrection at the last day. That is what Martha stated and you very clearly state that to believe likewise is error.

So what we have then is that you are the one clearly in error; that is what my posts show based on context and a straightforward reading of Scripture. That was the whole point of my fairly long discussion of those passages, which you did not address. Instead you just say that I "made a fatal flaw in your characterization of these scriptures," and yet don't bother to try and explain where I've supposedly gone wrong.

You also question, "Is it within our own human nature that we almost seemingly reject the word of God out of hand, imparting our own meaning into the scripture?" This implies that I am imparting my own meaning onto Scripture, yet you then go on to say, "the commentary that I have applied to them." You've done the very thing you accuse me of doing. The difference though is that you are misrepresenting what those passages are saying in order to fit your own supposed personal revelation.


How can I not see this as "some private interpretation of Scripture," since that is precisely what it is, by your own words even: "I brought with me into this thread only one presupposition, and that was that Jesus said unto me that I did not understand the resurrection as I should...and that is to say that this has been a progressive revelation that has only revealed itself through the expression of thought." That is a private interpretation, even if you claim it is revelation. If a supposed revelation misuses Scripture, do you really think it is from God?

Free, you are listed as a moderator on this web site, so of all people I should not have to say this. But please stop purposely miss-characterizing what I have said. I have never said there was no final resurrection. As a matter of fact I have unequivocally stated and I believe Chopper has already stated in one of his post that I have never insinuated that. All I have stated, is exactly the words that are printed in you Bible, that they held the doctrine in error. I should not have to look up the definition of the word error, it should be evident enough by itself. To say that it is held in error is not to say that it does not exist. I do not know why you seem to be so hung up on that. All that was said is they did not understand it correctly. It would be like someone going to the New York Yankees with the hopes of winning the championship and celebrating a Super Bowl victory. That person would have been in error. That does not mean the super bowl does not exist, nor does it mean that he can not win a championship. It only means he did not understand which league he played for.

I have addressed this specifically before with you and you still refuse to acknowledge that, and yet you still keep insisting I have said something that I did not say. As a moderator you should know better. Please cease and desist from miss-characterizing the words that I have used or putting words in my mouth that I have not said.

 

[ezrider]

How can I not see this as "some private interpretation of Scripture," since that is precisely what it is, by your own words even: "I brought with me into this thread only one presupposition, and that was that Jesus said unto me that I did not understand the resurrection as I should...and that is to say that this has been a progressive revelation that has only revealed itself through the expression of thought." That is a private interpretation, even if you claim it is revelation. If a supposed revelation misuses Scripture, do you really think it is from God?

I know you will probably reject this out of hand, but I am not sharing with you any interpretation of the scripture because I am not trying to teach you the Bible. I am not doing any sort of Bible study on this what so ever. I only share with you the Word of God as it spring forth from within. I only give you the Bible verses so you can see what these thoughts apply to as I have given them. And also because the rules and term of service require that I post them.

Jesus said My sheep hear my voice. Do you think you would ever be able to hear the Word of God apart from your Bible?

 

[ezrider]

Just a few questions for those who are not interested in discussing the significance and impact of the RESURRECTION OF CHRIST and what that meant for the church, the promises of God, and the security of your salvation.

Are you only interested in your own resurrection at the last day?
What do you know about the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
Do you know any more about it than he simply rose from the dead?
And as you look forward to the hope of your resurrection, do you fear the Lake of Fire?

 

[ezrider]

Being the Son of God, when Jesus rose from the dead and was seen of many, was He Resurrected by the Father? Or was he resurrected by his own will, being the Son?

 

[ezrider]

What did Jesus do for those three days that he spent in the tomb, before he rose from the dead?

 

[ezrider]

If you can answer those two questions, then you might begin to understand how the prophecy in Ezekiel 37:12-14 and Zechariah 9:9-11 were long ago fulfilled in the Resurrection of Christ.

 

[ezrider]

I am anxious for your answers, because I have seen it to its end. But I am afraid that if I tell you, then you will not believe it. But maybe if you see it for yourself, then you will believe.

 

[Chopper]

These are some of my thoughts based on Jesus' remarks to Martha that Jesus said I AM the Resurrection. Whenever I see "I AM" it takes me back to the burning bush in which YHWH told Moses, "Tell them I AM that I AM. Now, I may be wrong, but I see the "I AM" the resurrection, meaning that Jesus, being the fullness of God, Colossians 1:19 "For in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell."....The second I AM means to me that God, in Jesus is everything that I will ever need.

I think, based on Jesus' statement that He is the resurrection, that His power of the resurrection is available to His believers from the time of His resurrection to the final resurrection to life everlasting, or everlasting death. To me, ezrider has opened to my mind and heart, we are missing what Jesus intends for His believers between both resurrections a POWER to meet what ever need I have. I may not have phrased that correctly, and ezrider can correct it.

If all I'm waiting for is the final resurrection at the end of days, then I'm missing a power that has been made available to me from Christ Jesus. In other words, Jesus Who is the resurrection, listen, John 10:17 & 18 reveals the greatest power in Jesus that I've ever read in Scriptures.... John 10:17 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

This Jesus, according to Galatians 2:20.... "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me."....Who lives inside me, had the power to raise Himself from the dead! I believe that what ezrider is trying to get across to us is, for right now, stop focusing on the last resurrection, but focus on the availability of what it means to have the resurrected Jesus, and all of what He has for us NOW.

I pray that somehow what I have just posted will help you to see a quest. Perhaps a challenge. Instead of badgering ezrider with a lot of questions that may or may not be relevant to the OP, can't we begin to help him or you yourselves post some of your idea's on just what is available to us because of the resurrected Jesus, the Son of God living inside of us who believe. Thank you for reading this.

 

[JLB]

Being the Son of God, when Jesus rose from the dead and was seen of many, was He Resurrected by the Father? Or was he resurrected by his own will, being the Son?

He was Resurrected by the will of the Father, through Jesus' Word, and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

• The Father -

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9

• The Son -

19 Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:19

• The Holy Spirit -

11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Romans 8:11


JLB

 

[ezrider]

He was Resurrected by the will of the Father, through Jesus' Word, and by the power of the Holy Spirit.

• The Father -

Thank you JLB, now take that thought a little further and expound on what that means.

 

[ezrider]

These are some of my thoughts based on Jesus' remarks to Martha that Jesus said I AM the Resurrection. Whenever I see "I AM" it takes me back to the burning bush in which YHWH told Moses, "Tell them I AM that I AM. Now, I may be wrong, but I see the "I AM" the resurrection, meaning that Jesus, being the fullness of God, Colossians 1:19 "For in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell."....The second I AM means to me that God, in Jesus is everything that I will ever need.

I think, based on Jesus' statement that He is the resurrection, that His power of the resurrection is available to His believers from the time of His resurrection to the final resurrection to life everlasting, or everlasting death. To me, ezrider has opened to my mind and heart, we are missing what Jesus intends for His believers between both resurrections a POWER to meet what ever need I have. I may not have phrased that correctly, and ezrider can correct it.

If all I'm waiting for is the final resurrection at the end of days, then I'm missing a power that has been made available to me from Christ Jesus. In other words, Jesus Who is the resurrection, listen, John 10:17 & 18 reveals the greatest power in Jesus that I've ever read in Scriptures.... John 10:17 "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again."

This Jesus, according to Galatians 2:20.... "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me."....Who lives inside me, had the power to raise Himself from the dead! I believe that what ezrider is trying to get across to us is, for right now, stop focusing on the last resurrection, but focus on the availability of what it means to have the resurrected Jesus, and all of what He has for us NOW.

I pray that somehow what I have just posted will help you to see a quest. Perhaps a challenge. Instead of badgering ezrider with a lot of questions that may or may not be relevant to the OP, can't we begin to help him or you yourselves post some of your idea's on just what is available to us because of the resurrected Jesus, the Son of God living inside of us who believe. Thank you for reading this.

Thank you Chopper, that was very well said. Now from what you know of Jesus, He had the power to lay down down his life, and that he did. He had the power to take it up again, but did He use that power for Himself?

 

[reba]

Are not the 3 one in the same? God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit

 

[jocor]

Being the Son of God, when Jesus rose from the dead and was seen of many, was He Resurrected by the Father? Or was he resurrected by his own will, being the Son?

The Father: Act 2:32, Act 3:15, Act 3:26, Act 10:40-41, Act 13:30, Act 13:34, Act 17:31; Rom 4:24, Rom 6:4, Rom 8:11; 1Co 6:14; 2Co 4:14; Gal 1:1; Eph 1:20; Col 2:12; 1Th 1:10; Heb 13:20; 1Pe 1:21