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What do we believe about the Resurrection?

reba said:
Are not the 3 one in the same? God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit
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Thank you reba. I could expound on this, but not in this tread. If we stick around long enough, I can promise that an amazing revelation will present itself, and I do not want a Trinity debate to start in this tread. Maybe after sufficient revelation is made known, It will become a topic in ways you never dreamed.

So to all who are reading. By all means contemplate on what the trinity means to you, but please do not bring it into this thread. If you wishto discuss the trinity doctrine, then please start a new thread.

Thank you for understanding
 
ezrider said:
Thank you reba. I could expound on this, but not in this tread. If we stick around long enough, I can promise that an amazing revelation will present itself, and I do not want a Trinity debate to start in this tread. Maybe after sufficient revelation is made known, It will become a topic in ways you never dreamed.

So to all who are reading. By all means contemplate on what the trinity means to you, but please do not bring it into this thread. If you wishto discuss the trinity doctrine, then please start a new thread.

Thank you for understanding
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Agree ,, i almost did not ask the question because of the derailing aspect :)
 
jocor said:
The Father: Act_2:32, Act_3:15, Act_3:26, Act_10:40-41, Act_13:30, Act_13:34, Act_17:31; Rom_4:24, Rom_6:4, Rom_8:11; 1Co_6:14;
2Co_4:14; Gal_1:1; Eph_1:20; Col_2:12; 1Th_1:10; Heb_13:20; 1Pe_1:21
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jocor, just a suggestion, but you are using underscores in your reference tag. If you don't use that underscore and just leave a space, we can mouse over the scripture tag and read it without having to look it up, it will be there before us to read.
 
ezrider said:
jocor, just a suggestion, but you are using underscores in your reference tag. If you don't use that underscore and just leave a space, we can mouse over the scripture tag and read it without having to look it up, it will be there before us to read.
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Sorry, I edited out the underscores.
 
ezrider said:
After he had risen, and was seen of the women, he said touch me not, for I have not as yet ascended to the Father
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And?

He had not yet been raised as the wave sheaf offering of Lev 23:10-11. His resurrection fulfilled the reaping of the sheaf and his ascension fulfilled the waving of the sheaf.
 
jocor said:
I agree.



Your assessment of me is incorrect. I am devoted to Yeshua the Messiah of YHWH. Yeshua said, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Mt 7:21. It is my heart’s desire to do Yahweh’s will. That is Yeshua’s desire for his followers. Yahweh’s will is found in His Law which Yeshua kept perfectly. Within that Law are unfulfilled shadows that are to be kept by ALL believers until they are fulfilled. If Yeshua fulfilled them, then Paul would not have said they ARE shadows of things TO COME.



I am not seeking perfection by the flesh. I seek to obey the truth, but what is the truth? Yeshua is the truth, therefore I endeavor to obey him. The Law is the truth (Psalm 119:142), therefore I endeavor to obey the Law. In Galatians 3, Paul is coming against justification by works of the Law as is evident by verse 11. He is NOT coming against obeying the Law as a fruit of one’s faith.



Yeshua was a Jew who obeyed the Law. You call the Law a “burden," but the Apostle John says it is not “burdensome” (I John 5:3 NASB). The psalmist says the Law is his “delight” (119:70,77,174).



Yeshua’s resurrection fell on a Sunday that year only because the wave sheaf offering of Lev 23:10-11 fell on a Sunday that year. Yeshua’s resurrection fulfills the wave sheaf offering. Do you neglect Abib 16 (the true resurrection day) each year? I don’t “neglect such a great work of God in disregarding His resurrection day” because I honor it and rejoice in it on Abib 16 every year. (Edited, ToS 2.4, offering unwelcome spiritual advice. Obadiah)
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Jocor, I'd like to apologize to you for my rather questioning post. I wanted to know just where you stood as concerning your position with our Master. I wanted to know if I could respect your views on spiritual matters of which I realize from your replies that I can! I'll tell you the truth, I have always questioned in my heart the validity of my worship and rest on Sunday rather than Saturday.

I will continue to worship on Sunday because I wish to honor the Christ on the day I believe He raised from the dead. I do respect you on the conviction of Saturday....Be blessed my dear Brother.
 
jocor said:
And?

He had not yet been raised as the wave sheaf offering of Lev 23:10-11. His resurrection fulfilled the reaping of the sheaf and his ascension fulfilled the waving of the sheaf.
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WOW! WOW!

Thank you very much for that. I do not know if you have seen it for yourself yet. But that is just amazing. I stand in awe of the before the presence of the Lord and the power of His Spirit. I sing my praises unto our Lord Almighty, and I am humbled in your sight.

"And I shall show you all things written in the Law and the Prophet concerning me"

Leviticus 23:9-10 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you:on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

Matthew 27:50-54 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

These that came out of the graves after his resurrection and went into the city and appeared unto many were the sheaves of the firstfruits of the harvest brought before the priest.
 
ezrider said:
These that came out of the graves after his resurrection and went into the city and appeared unto many were the sheaves of the firstfruits of the harvest brought before the priest.
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Christ was the firstfruits.

Christ and Christ alone.

Afterward, all those who are Christ's will be Resurrected at His Coming.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23


JLB
 
ezrider said:
Thank you Chopper, that was very well said. Now from what you know of Jesus, He had the power to lay down down his life, and that he did. He had the power to take it up again, but did He use that power for Himself?
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Interesting question my friend. I believe that Jesus used His God given power to rise from the dead because of the plan that God had set before the foundations of the world....John 10:18 "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."....You ask, did Jesus use that power for Himself? The answer I believe is NO. He obeyed the will of the Father. He was fulfilling what the Prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures spoke of Him. And last of all, He was exercising His power in obedience to the will of His Father so that we would have our sins forgiven thru His shed Blood, be able to receive the grace of God so we could see our need of the Savior to believe by faith, apart from the Law, and become a child of God thru His sacrifice.
 
Chopper said:
Jocor, I'd like to apologize to you for my rather questioning post. I wanted to know just where you stood as concerning your position with our Master. I wanted to know if I could respect your views on spiritual matters of which I realize from your replies that I can! I'll tell you the truth, I have always questioned in my heart the validity of my worship and rest on Sunday rather than Saturday.

I will continue to worship on Sunday because I wish to honor the Christ on the day I believe He raised form the dead. I do respect you on the conviction of Saturday....Be blessed my dear Brother.
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Thanks Chopper, but you really didn't have to post your apology three times :)

jocor Chopper I will fix that , reba :)
 
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JLB said:
Christ was the firstfruits.

Christ and Christ alone.

Afterward, all those who are Christ's will be Resurrected at His Coming.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23


JLB
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While I agree with you that Messiah alone fulfills the wave sheaf offerings as the firstfruits unto Yahweh, there are other firstfruits. The 144,000 of Rev 14:4 are also firstfruits, but they are firstfruits of the wheat harvest and fulfill Lev 23:15-17. Since Mt 27:50-54 refers to the resurrection of the saints of old (not Messiah's saints), they are from the barley harvest which preceded the wheat harvest. They can be considered the firstfruits of the barley harvest.
 
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