heymikey80
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Re: The seal of the righteousness of the faith...
Paul said who. Is a recitation of Romans 8:29-30 in order?
It is an evisceration of the term "predestine" to say God foreknows that someone "aligns to His providence", and then predestines that person to align to His providence! It makes the word not mean what it definitely does mean. You don't pre-destine someone by observing where he will go, you pre-destine someone by previously determining his destination.
And going back to this:
Faith is not the effect of objects, data, and evidence. Faith is the effect of being born of God. "Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God" 1 John 5:1a
Faith is reliance. Babies have inherent natural reliance on their parents. But the reliance of a person in God is through being born by God the Spirit. "That which is born of the spirit is spirit" John 3:6b That's where a spiritual faith comes from. A baby grows in faith through evidence; but a baby has faith in parents, just as a spiritual newborn has faith in the Father, God.
Paul didn't say "what".What did God foreknow?
Paul said who. Is a recitation of Romans 8:29-30 in order?
No, that's not what Paul said. God foreknows people, and predestines them.Does God know whether or not we will align to His providence? Yes or no. Of course, the answer is yes. To this extent we are also predestined. Predestined according to what? According to God's foreknowledge! God foreknows that ...
It is an evisceration of the term "predestine" to say God foreknows that someone "aligns to His providence", and then predestines that person to align to His providence! It makes the word not mean what it definitely does mean. You don't pre-destine someone by observing where he will go, you pre-destine someone by previously determining his destination.
Nobody thinks this. God doesn't guess. But God is omnipotent. God controls everything. He doesn't simply know what will happen -- God created the world in intense detail in the way that it goes.Do you really thing God plays Russian roulette when he elects His apostles or disciples? No.
And going back to this:
Yes, it's a simple disagreement. Faith isn't the effect of convincing evidence. Hand the same convincing evidence to 20 people, and some will have faith, and others will not. Evidence is not the cause of faith. In point of fact Scripture says where faith comes from. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith ..." Gal 5:22; "he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God." Rom 2:29Simple disagreement here..
Faith is the effect of convicting evidence.. and that faith toward God justifies us before God and makes us righteous in Christ. Whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved.. it's clearly not whosoever shall be saved shall call upon the name of the LORD...
Faith is not the effect of objects, data, and evidence. Faith is the effect of being born of God. "Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God" 1 John 5:1a
Faith is reliance. Babies have inherent natural reliance on their parents. But the reliance of a person in God is through being born by God the Spirit. "That which is born of the spirit is spirit" John 3:6b That's where a spiritual faith comes from. A baby grows in faith through evidence; but a baby has faith in parents, just as a spiritual newborn has faith in the Father, God.
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