"What must I do to be saved?"

[LostSoul]

This is going to seem a short answer...but in order to be saved we must not only believe, but live and work in accordance of our faith. For faith without works is nothing.

 

[francisdesales]

Just have faith in Jesus Christ, and what he has done on the cross. Believe this in your heart, and in your heart, repent and you will be saved. Nothing you do apart from this can get you into heaven.

Sounds simple and easy...

Except for verses like 1 Cor 13:2...

Regards

 

[Nick]

Yes it does sound simple and easy. To do that is easy in my opinion. But to live Christ-like is definitely not easy.

 

[francisdesales]

Yes it does sound simple and easy. To do that is easy in my opinion. But to live Christ-like is definitely not easy.

Yes, but that was not my point of refering you to 1 Cor 13:2. The point is that your formula is incomplete. You can have all the faith in the world, and be NOTHING without love. Faith and trust in God alone does not save. One must love, as well. This is the entire point of 1 Cor 13.

Regards

 

[Joe67]

1 Cor 1:18
18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. ASV

Brothers All,

As I was meditating upon some verses that testify of saved, being saved, salvation; this verse above stood up to my attention (by the Spirit of God).

As I was comparing the different translations in my software package, there was some variance in the expression of "saved." They all concurred that the perishing is connected to "foolishness." The suffering God and his suffering Annointed is "foolishness" to the Greek wisdom of God. The Jew stumbled that Jesus is the Annointed. "Stumbling" and "foolishness" and two different responses to the word of the cross.

Do we think of the salvation of our God from the Jewish perspective or the Greek perspective?

Do we "condemn" or do we "despise?" Romans 14. Do we "bite and devour?" Galatians 5.

Joe

 

[Joe67]

Yes it does sound simple and easy. To do that is easy in my opinion. But to live Christ-like is definitely not easy.

Yes, but that was not my point of refering you to 1 Cor 13:2. The point is that your formula is incomplete. You can have all the faith in the world, and be NOTHING without love. Faith and trust in God alone does not save. One must love, as well. This is the entire point of 1 Cor 13.

Regards

francis,

I agree that without love it would be nothing, which is the point of 1 Corinthians 13.

I agree that the woman(church) is saved in childbearing and that the only way she can bear children is through marriage. God's calling to Abram was to the purpose of children.

I agree that the only way she can be truly married is through covenant.

Faith/covenant works (matrimonial chamber and child bearing) by love that purifies the soul through sorrows in conception and childbearing. Paul was shown how much he must suffer for the name of Jesus. The disciples rejoiced that they were accounted worthy to suffer shame for Jesus' name. Thorns and thistles for our husband/our Lord and sorrows for his body, his bride.

The chain that binds the host of heaven/Satan in the pit has more than one link; though it is one chain that has a key. Isaiah 24:21,22 and Revelation 20:3.

Joe

 

[duval]

Seems its so easy to ignore the plain answer to the question "what must I do to be saved?"

 

[brakelite2]

Seems its so easy to ignore the plain answer to the question "what must I do to be saved?"

Perhaps the answer is too simple? Namaan wanted to be saved, and God through His prophet gave him a simple answer. Too proud however for a simple swim, he wanted something more 'grand' ; something more in keeping with his exalted opinion of himself.

Jesus said except we become like little children, we shall not be saved. Seems children can see something us adults struggle with. We are proud and want to add our own conditions rather than accepting God's simple instructions.

Like I said in my OP. We must be born again!!!! And only the truly born again has any hope of meeting God's conditions for salvation. We are born again as children. Remember that first child-like faith you had when meeting Jesus for the first time? That first love? That first desire to do anything for your new Master? We need to go back there folks. We've become too opinionated, too proud, too self important, too independent.

 

[duval]

Simple and plain YES! Earlier in this thread I submitted the simple answer to the question.

 

[mutzrein]

For me, the essence of salvation is 'faith'.

Before Christ died, it was the key . . . and it remains the key.

 

[duval]

I believe the faith that saves is the faith that obeys.

 

[MarkT]

The word is near you, on your lips and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach); 9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved. 11 The scripture says, "No one who believes in him will be put to shame." Romans 10:8-11

I know you love God - keep his word. Be kind and gentle as sheep, not biting each other. Keep your lamp lit with the oil of gladness. Build your house on the true words of God. Don't create false idols. Judge not and you won't be judged. If you think there is a speck in your brother's eye that is causing him to not see correctly, notice the log that is in your own eye. Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you. Ask and it will be given you; seek and you will find. Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets. Give those who hunger and thirst bread and water and your Father will give you the bread and water of life. Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. Beware of false prophets. You will know them by their fruits. If you do these things your house will not fall because it is built on the rock.

 

[oneisgod]

Nicodemus had all the upbringing, the education, the good name, the teaching, the law, he had his posotion on the council, his reputation, and all the belief in God in the world. He had the doctrines and the traditions and according to the laws of Moses was very likely, just as Paul was, perfect.
He wasn't like the other members of the sannhedrin of the time who were for the most part snakes in the grass, hypocrites, and murderers. He wasn't mean, conniving, greedy, selfish, unkind, or politically ambitious.
But nor was he saved. Why? Because he wasn't born again.
All the doctrines, belief systems and creeds and good works will get you no closer to the strait gate that leads to the kingdom of God than practicing santaria on the Sabbath.
We all, whether born into the church (whatever church), or educated in the best institutions, or awarded flash degrees from the best theological seminaries, will die the death of the sinner except we be born again.
Not the populist 'born again' that is so much in favor with fashionable folk chasing votes and/or positions of influence and power, but the experiential variety that radically effects the way we think, act, speak, and behave.
We have no more power to effect this 'born again' experience than we did the first time we were born. But we do have the choice as to whether we want to be born again.

Follow the teachings of Jehovah's provision in Jesus Christ. God choses who will be born again.

 

[XTruth]

Nicodemus had all the upbringing, the education, the good name, the teaching, the law, he had his posotion on the council, his reputation, and all the belief in God in the world. He had the doctrines and the traditions and according to the laws of Moses was very likely, just as Paul was, perfect.
He wasn't like the other members of the sannhedrin of the time who were for the most part snakes in the grass, hypocrites, and murderers. He wasn't mean, conniving, greedy, selfish, unkind, or politically ambitious.
But nor was he saved. Why? Because he wasn't born again.
All the doctrines, belief systems and creeds and good works will get you no closer to the strait gate that leads to the kingdom of God than practicing santaria on the Sabbath.
We all, whether born into the church (whatever church), or educated in the best institutions, or awarded flash degrees from the best theological seminaries, will die the death of the sinner except we be born again.
Not the populist 'born again' that is so much in favor with fashionable folk chasing votes and/or positions of influence and power, but the experiential variety that radically effects the way we think, act, speak, and behave.
We have no more power to effect this 'born again' experience than we did the first time we were born. But we do have the choice as to whether we want to be born again.

Follow the teachings of Jehovah's provision in Jesus Christ. God chosses who will be born again.

God chooses everyone (1 Tim.2:4; 2 Pt.3:9; Rev.22:17), but not all are saved (Isa.66:22-24; Mat.7:13-23; 25:31-49; Lk.13:24-27; Rev.20:11-15), even the righteous are scarcely saved (1 Pt.4:17-19). Man chooses his own destiny; it is man's choice to be born again or to keep his guilt of sin. We must accept Christ's sacrifice by faith in His blood for the taking away of all our past sins (Rom.3:25), then we must be obedient to His Word so that we will not transgress His laws anymore (Jas.1:13-15; 2:14-26; 1 Jn.3:4). If we do fail in obedience, then we must repent again to be innocent again (Lk.13:1-5; 1 Jn.1:9; 2:1-2; Rev.2:5, 16; Rev.3:3, 19). Endure until the end with the fear of God's judgment in view (Mat.10:22-28).

 

[Lee100]

Looks like XTruth sure does know his Bible!

 

[Solo]

Nicodemus had all the upbringing, the education, the good name, the teaching, the law, he had his posotion on the council, his reputation, and all the belief in God in the world. He had the doctrines and the traditions and according to the laws of Moses was very likely, just as Paul was, perfect.
He wasn't like the other members of the sannhedrin of the time who were for the most part snakes in the grass, hypocrites, and murderers. He wasn't mean, conniving, greedy, selfish, unkind, or politically ambitious.
But nor was he saved. Why? Because he wasn't born again.
All the doctrines, belief systems and creeds and good works will get you no closer to the strait gate that leads to the kingdom of God than practicing santaria on the Sabbath.
We all, whether born into the church (whatever church), or educated in the best institutions, or awarded flash degrees from the best theological seminaries, will die the death of the sinner except we be born again.
Not the populist 'born again' that is so much in favor with fashionable folk chasing votes and/or positions of influence and power, but the experiential variety that radically effects the way we think, act, speak, and behave.
We have no more power to effect this 'born again' experience than we did the first time we were born. But we do have the choice as to whether we want to be born again.

Follow the teachings of Jehovah's provision in Jesus Christ. God chosses who will be born again.

God chooses everyone (1 Tim.2:4; 2 Pt.3:9; Rev.22:17), but not all are saved (Isa.66:22-24; Mat.7:13-23; 25:31-49; Lk.13:24-27; Rev.20:11-15), even the righteous are scarcely saved (1 Pt.4:17-19). Man chooses his own destiny; it is man's choice to be born again or to keep his guilt of sin. We must accept Christ's sacrifice by faith in His blood for the taking away of all our past sins (Rom.3:25), then we must be obedient to His Word so that we will not transgress His laws anymore (Jas.1:13-15; 2:14-26; 1 Jn.3:4). If we do fail in obedience, then we must repent again to be innocent again (Lk.13:1-5; 1 Jn.1:9; 2:1-2; Rev.2:5, 16; Rev.3:3, 19). Endure until the end with the fear of God's judgment in view (Mat.10:22-28).

How many times have you been born again after your first repentance whereby all of your past sins were paid for by Christ, and then you slipped up and fell out of grace only to have to be born again and again and again and again........?

Don't worry. I know you do not have a Scripural answer for this question, and you will only post book and chapter and verses to impress those who do not know you or your style with another outlandish set of statements that only twist the word of God.

 

[francisdesales]

How many times have you been born again after your first repentance whereby all of your past sins were paid for by Christ, and then you slipped up and fell out of grace only to have to be born again and again and again and again........?

WHO here has said a person is "born from above" more than once???

Why is there a need to invent a strawman? Why can't you just argue the points that are made, rather than make up some point of view no one holds to?

Don't worry. I know you do not have a Scripural answer for this question, and you will only post book and chapter and verses to impress those who do not know you or your style with another outlandish set of statements that only twist the word of God.

Of course - and no one ever made the claim that a person is "born again and again"...

Regards

 

[XTruth]

Solo is actually correct in believing what I believe. We are all usually born again more than once, unless you are like the man on the cross that died moments later (Lk.23:43). To be born again is to be born of the Spirit, we all agree. But the first time this happens is actually something that we were once before...thus doing it again. All Christians who are born again have been born of the Spirit once before...all man-kind has. When we were all made unrighteous by the sin of one (Rom.5:12-21)....This means we were all made righteous when he was righteous, for all of man-kind was in his loins. I'll post more after work later this evening.

Don't worry. I know you do not have a Scripural answer for this question, and you will only post book and chapter and verses to impress those who do not know you or your style with another outlandish set of statements that only twist the word of God.

Is this what you think of me?

 

[francisdesales]

Solo is actually correct in believing what I believe. We are all usually born again more than once, unless you are like the man on the cross that died moments later (Lk.23:43). To be born again is to be born of the Spirit, we all agree. But the first time this happens is actually something that we were once before...thus doing it again. All Christians who are born again have been born of the Spirit once before...all man-kind has. When we were all made unrighteous by the sin of one (Rom.5:12-21)....This means we were all made righteous when he was righteous, for all of man-kind was in his loins. I'll post more after work later this evening.

OK, then, first, I apologize to Solo for my comments. I hadn't realized you were pitching "multiple re-births" of the Spirit. I guess I missed where you made those comments.

I would be interested in your Scriptural evidence of multiple rebirths, since Scriptures only mention one rebirth by the Spirit. Hebrews makes it clear that we cannot undergo that experience again. I do not believe it is necessary to hold to that concept - while understanding that even the regenerated man can fall and come back to the Lord. Repentance does not require a "re-birth".

Regards

 

[Solo]

Solo is actually correct in believing what I believe. We are all usually born again more than once, unless you are like the man on the cross that died moments later (Lk.23:43). To be born again is to be born of the Spirit, we all agree. But the first time this happens is actually something that we were once before...thus doing it again. All Christians who are born again have been born of the Spirit once before...all man-kind has. When we were all made unrighteous by the sin of one (Rom.5:12-21)....This means we were all made righteous when he was righteous, for all of man-kind was in his loins. I'll post more after work later this evening.

Don't worry. I know you do not have a Scripural answer for this question, and you will only post book and chapter and verses to impress those who do not know you or your style with another outlandish set of statements that only twist the word of God.

Is this what you think of me?

I think you are a swell fella, but here is what I think of your theology:

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

You must have missed a sin somewhere and have not been reborn again!