When Did The Church Begin?

[Razeontherock]

Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Polycarp, Hippolytus, Origen, Tertullian - those are a few.

(They are deceased now.)

Later on there was Basil, his brother Gregory, and his other brother Gregory.

What about Darryl?

Seriously though, all this talk about a rock? Hmmm, I might want to get on that, lol

What about when 2 or 3 were gathered in His Name, was that not the beginning of the Church, since He was there with them?

No.

What's the difference? The Holy Ghost was not given until the day of Pentecost had fully come.

So without the Holy Spirit, there really isn't a Church. I think this is a pretty good guideline ...

 

[Jim Parker]

I agree, Peter is no more important a stone in the building of Jesus church than the least of all ..

Eph 2:19-20 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Paul says that the apostles (and Peter was an apostle) are the foundation of the Church and that their names will be written on the foundation of the New Jerusalem.

That is hardly the "least of all."

 

[Jim Parker]

So without the Holy Spirit, there really isn't a Church. I think this is a pretty good guideline ...

There you have it sports fans.

 

[brujaq]

Eph 2:19-20 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Paul says that the apostles (and Peter was an apostle) are the foundation of the Church and that their names will be written on the foundation of the New Jerusalem.

That is hardly the "least of all."

I agree and Luke 9:48

 

[Anto9us2]

After 're-reading this entire thread, especially some of my own comments when I was here as the original Anto9us...

I conclude that my memory - including all knowledge of Greek, Scripture, ECF - it gets worse everyday.

 

[Anto9us2]

But I still say PENTECOST is start of Church as we know it, although Christ's priesthood is of the order of Melchisedec. ( I once had a cat named Melchisedec ).

 

[jerry63935]

The church did not exist in Old Testament times

as we know it the children of israel was the future church. even in the o.t they assembled themselves together . it was symbolic in nature types and shadows. the n.t church was ushered in at pentecost

 

[Corn Pop]

I think the church started here.

Matthew 28:8

 

[jerry63935]

So without the Holy Spirit, there really isn't a Church. I think this is a pretty good guideline ...

the holy spirit was in the o.t but the spirit had to come upon them samson today the spirit dwells in us

 

[Corn Pop]

The church is founded on the birth, death/crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ.

The last is the resurrection and as Mary was the first to witness the risen Christ that has to be the start of the church. There is no church without the resurrection of Christ,.and the birth and crucifixion had been, and the first to witness the resurrection and preach it was Mary.

So there is the birth, death, and resurrection.

No resurrection, no church. Just a false prophet. Jesus had to raise from the dead to prove himself.

 

[for_his_glory]

as we know it the children of israel was the future church. even in the o.t they assembled themselves together . it was symbolic in nature types and shadows. the n.t church was ushered in at pentecost

Yes the true Church that Jesus established through His Disciples, especially Peter, was on the day of Pentecost in the upper room and on that day there was added 3000 people baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit. The disciples being Jews were first called Christians in Antioch where Jew and Gentiles first became Christians, Acts 2.

In the OT the Jews assembled within the Temple or like Moses in portable Temples, but not seeing how you compare this as symbolic to Christ true Church which is not four walls. Can you elaborate on that.

The difference between the OT saints and the NT saints is that in the OT The Holy Spirit only came on them as in the NT the Holy Spirit indwells the saints as Jesus sent to us as a comforter and teacher.

 

[for_his_glory]

I think the church started here.

Matthew 28:8

This is a good place to start, but read further down to vs. 16-20 as to me this is when the true Church of Christ began was with His disciples and the commission Jesus gave them. It also ties in with the day of Pentecost when they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[for_his_glory]

The church is founded on the birth, death/crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ.

The last is the resurrection and as Mary was the first to witness the risen Christ that has to be the start of the church. There is no church without the resurrection of Christ,.and the birth and crucifixion had been, and the first to witness the resurrection and preach it was Mary.

So there is the birth, death, and resurrection.

No resurrection, no church. Just a false prophet. Jesus had to raise from the dead to prove himself.

You do make an interesting point as Mary was the first to witness the risen Christ when she went to the upper room.

 

[jerry63935]

but not seeing how you compare this as symbolic to Christ true Church which is not four walls. Can you elaborate on that.

they assembled as a body of believers they was assembled on the day of pentecost its the same way the o.t prophets looked ahead to the finished works of the cross. same principal only we look back at the finished works .it was a type of every thing in the o.t was leading up to the n.t.

 

[jerry63935]

The difference between the OT saints and the NT saints is that in the OT The Holy Spirit only came on them as in the NT the Holy Spirit indwells the saints as Jesus sent to us as a comforter and teacher.

i covered that lol

 

[JLB]

This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:37-38

• This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness

Church - Ecclesia - The Holy nation of God; Israel of God

But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. 1 Peter 2:9-10


The body of called out ones in covenant with the Lord.


I think we use the term The Church, interchangeably with the New Covenant, not realizing that we are “grafted into” the natural olive tree, which is covenant that the Lord made with Abraham, whereas the Lord Himself is the root that sustains the whole tree.


For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. Romans 11:16-23


Key Verse -

And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.




JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I sometimes post the Early Church Fathers to show what the early Christians believed about our faith.
I'm told at times that they have no importance and their views of no value but only the bible has value.
The letters already existed and the gospel was known.

So my question would be:

When do YOU believe the church began?
I believe it began in Acts.

Well Hi wondering, and all, The below link might help.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=antioch, is this where the church begin ?&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=antioch, is this where the church begin ?&sc=0-41&sk=&cvid=59E9953B4EA741B9908F6D1CAA0EFC22

 

[GodsGrace]

Well Hi wondering, and all, The below link might help.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=antioch, is this where the church begin ?&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=antioch, is this where the church begin ?&sc=0-41&sk=&cvid=59E9953B4EA741B9908F6D1CAA0EFC22

There are different ideas about when the church began.
It's just interesting to hear what each one of us believes to be the case.

No links necessary.

 

[JLB]

There are different ideas about when the church began.
It's just interesting to hear what each one of us believes to be the case.

No links necessary.

Abraham was the first member of the Church, Ecclesia, the call out Holy nation of God.

The Lord made Covenant with him, before He became flesh.

The Spirit of Christ was in Abraham and he obeyed His voice and kept His commandments faithfully.

We are grafted into that covenant, and are called sons of Abraham through faith in Christ.


JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

Abraham was the first member of the Church, Ecclesia, the call out Holy nation of God.

The Lord made Covenant with him, before He became flesh.

The Spirit of Christ was in Abraham and he obeyed His voice and kept His commandments faithfully.

We are grafted into that covenant, and are called sons of Abraham through faith in Christ.


JLB

Interesting.
I've never heard this before.
But, yes, of course Ecclesia means the called out ones.

When speaking of the church, it's mostly understood to be the church of Christ...the institutional church that grew after Jesus' ascension.

When would YOU say that began?

I waiver between the Last Supper and the Acts in chapter 2 when the Disciples receive the power of the Holy Spirit and begin to preach.