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Which tells me you know very little about the Pharisees.So people can name Paul a pharisee all they want, but in his new nature he was anything but one.
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Which tells me you know very little about the Pharisees.So people can name Paul a pharisee all they want, but in his new nature he was anything but one.
Can you give the BIble verses for these other Hebrew words for love please?Actually the Hebrew has several words for Love, and those 2 are both forms of the same word: Ahavah.
There is also Dod (and its various forms), Rachaman (and its various forms), and Chesed (and its various forms).
OK lets check that.Right, but my point was ‘whether he called himself a Pharisee or others did, his teaching was 180deg different than the Pharisees calling their attempt at righteousness before God as ‘dung’ v.8’.
Dear DDW,No. As someone said this may need to be its own thread.
Take a story of 2 families: the Smiths and the Joneses. The 2 families are neighbors and have 3 children each. The Smiths are very proper and strict. Homework done before dinner; Proper table manners, etc. The Jones kids are running terrors. But the kids are best friends.
One day the Jones parents are killed in a car crash. The Smiths take them in temporarily. So the Jones kids want to be permanantly in with the Smiths, so they totally reform their behavior. They do everything the Smith kids do in order to not be placed into the foster system. They come home straight from school. Perfect manners. Love each other and their neighbors. DO more than their share of chores.
Does any of that make them Smiths, or are they still named Jones? Does it let them move in with their neighbors, or does it not change their going to the foster system?
The only way for the Jones kids to be kept out of the system is for Mr and Mrs Smith to adopt them. There is nothing the kids themselves can do to make that happen one way or the other.
In the same way there is nothing we can do to make ourselves "saved." We have to be adopted by the Father.
Dod:Can you give the BIble verses for these other Hebrew words for love please?
SO I can follow you more properly...
These are on biblical Hebrew - not the modern version.I did ask you for some Bible texts, but I looked up your Hebrew words.
Respectfully I have to disagree, though you probably speak and know modern Hebrew more than me. I am a student of Jeff Benner and support His understandings of Hebrew most of the time, sometimes I disagree.
Hebrew 2617 Nm) (\L ((\L Hh-SD) —
Kindness: In the sense of bowing the
neck to another as a sign of kindness.
[freq. 248] |kjv: mercy, kindness,
lovingkindness, goodness, kindly,
merciful, favour, good, goodliness,
pity, reproach, wicked| {str: 2617}
Jeff Benner Lexicon
Hebrew 1730 Nm) (JH ((JH DWD) — I.
Pot: Pot A pot used for boiling
liquids. [ms: dd] II. Beloved:
One who is loved. Also the uncle
as one who is loved by the
nephew. [ms: dd] [freq. 68]
|kjv: beloved, uncle, love,
wellbeloved,. basket, pot, kettle,
caldron| {str: 1730, 1731}
Hebrew 7355: ) 1LV (1LV R-HhM) —
Compassion: [freq. 47] (vf: Paal,
Pual, Piel) |kjv: mercy, compassion,
pity, love, merciful| {str: 7355}
The Hebrew words ahab and ahabuh stand alone in Hebrew, as functions of love.
However as you point out other variations of loving do exist.
Shalom
How so? All believers of said theology say one “ought” to do good works out of faith or love or gratitude but none say it is even a “must.” It’s always presented as something good to do, which makes it an optional extra. When asked what happens if you don’t, well, nothing concrete is offered."It is still only an optional extra."
That's a good one. I'll be putting that in the files for intelligence insulting hypocrisy 102.
So my question than along this theme, is our response to Jesus is a faith response
That 'personal punch' would be like me telling you "Which tells me you know very little about the new birth and Paul's teachings".Which tells me you know very little about the Pharisees.
Ok, I get it. That's why the Pharisees persecuted Paul from town to town.OK lets check that.
Did Paul believe in the existence of Angels? Yes. Pharisee.
Did Paul believe in the resurrection of the dead? Yes. Pharisee.
Did Paul believe believe the Prophets and Psalms were inspired word of God? Yes. Pharisee.
Did Paul believe that God could be worshiped outside the Temple? Yes. Pharisee.
Did Paul believe that God required obedience? Yes. Pharisee.
Did Paul believe in the literal reign of Messiah in a 1000 year Messianic kingdom? Yes. Pharisee.
Where do these two commands state that we must be 100% obedient?Nowhere?
You just supplied three verses declaring it !
Which Jews got to enter the promised land?
The obedient TWO, Caleb and Joshua.
Post 520.Where did I state that?
I had a little trouble finding it.Greetings Wondering, many do not understand while there is only one word in English for love, there are TWO words in Hebrew for love. This is profound and changes the whole doctrines of elohiym that define God as love.
This study looks into the two Hebrew words for love, the ahab and the ahabuh.
Shalom
You said that SOME LIKE TO EQUATE FAITH AND OBEDIENCE....
When asking right out:How so? All believers of said theology say one “ought” to do good works out of faith or love or gratitude but none say it is even a “must.” It’s always presented as something good to do, which makes it an optional extra. When asked what happens if you don’t, well, nothing concrete is offered.
But there’s absolutely no hypocrisy. None at all.
YOU said it Roger!Just out of curiosity, obedience to what?
YOU said it Roger!
What do YOU think we should be obedient to??
Here is my full quote...Post 520.
Did I misunderstand??
You said that SOME LIKE TO EQUATE FAITH AND OBEDIENCE....
(as if they weren't)
Like I said 'so many (not necessarily myself) like to equate faith with obedience' .Yes, so many like to equate faith with obedience..except, when it comes to Jesus' perfect obedience (thus perfect faith).
Yes.Here is my full quote...
Like I said 'so many (not necessarily myself) like to equate faith with obedience' .
I was only drawing a comparison of those who pound obedience and yet hardly mention the perfect obedience of Christ (without which no one could be saved).