The churches teach there's two. Paul taught there's one.How many natures they have?
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The churches teach there's two. Paul taught there's one.How many natures they have?
What is itThe churches teach there's two. Paul taught there's one.
You have a lot in that last post. Most I understand and some I don't know what you mean. Example would be what Jesus told the woman. That has nothing to do with the Christian or sin nature because Christ had not yet made the new nature available to anyone at the time he spoke to that woman.That's a hard one to understand..
But I see where you are going
It's hard because of the word "nature" itself.
I can't actually see my heart, will,conscience, emotional pain...they can be expressed.
Even though I would not know how to explain what Happen after the fall.
Man had a choice to choose
But What?
To choose God's word-do not eat...etc
Or the outcome was "you should surely die"
Death then is still part of the natural man unless He chooses to live by the word-spirit of God.
But Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. And we too can destroy the works of the devil if by the Spirit we put away the deeds of the flesh.
For it's life that destroys death.
So in my opinion we have a choice?
Blessings and cursing are set before us...
We can consciencely choose to live by the flesh or the Spirit.
Which then are 2 nature's in mt opinion.
The only thing is we Do not have to be in bondage anymore to the old nature....
Because we have the key (Spirit) to leave death (old nature) behind.
It seems it is our flesh out of order that is the old nature.
Another words we chose to live by Satan's words who seems to put the desires of the flesh before the Spirit (obedience to God) Which seemed to cause separation from God (death)
But Now given the Spirit of Christ...we have a choice to live again.
So we can obey Christ our new nature...or our own Desires or depend on our own natural abilities-what we can do on our own.
Fact is Jesus Told the woman..
SIN NOT...
Jesus is the living word regardless if He told the woman "go sin no more" before or after He died. For if she obeyed Jesus, She also obeyed God. And God is Spirit.You have a lot in that last post. Most I understand and some I don't know what you mean. Example would be what Jesus told the woman. That has nothing to do with the Christian or sin nature because Christ had not yet made the new nature available to anyone at the time he spoke to that woman.
So you don't believe in different time periods in the Bible? No different administrations?Jesus is the living word regardless if He told the woman "go sin no more" before or after He died. For if she obeyed Jesus, She also obeyed God. And God is Spirit.
Hi, not sure what you are getting at.So you don't believe in different time periods in the Bible? No different administrations?
So you don't believe in different time periods in the Bible? No different administrations?
So you don't believe in different time periods in the Bible? No different administrations?
Study 3 THE TWO-FOLD NATURE OF EVERY BELIEVER - Words of Life MinistriesYou have a lot in that last post. Most I understand and some I don't know what you mean. Example would be what Jesus told the woman. That has nothing to do with the Christian or sin nature because Christ had not yet made the new nature available to anyone at the time he spoke to that woman.
Luke 16:16So you don't believe in different time periods in the Bible? No different administrations?
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).Hi, not sure what you are getting at.
Also please clarify what you mean by administrations...
Tks 4. Clarifying...not sure of what u r addressingI do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).
To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.
The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.
This is very much a debated question.The churches teach there's two. Paul taught there's one.
What I'm addressing is what Jesus told the woman may not apply to what Paul is telling the Christian in this administration.Tks 4. Clarifying...not sure of what u r addressing
To go and sin no more...What I'm addressing is what Jesus told the woman may not apply to what Paul is telling the Christian in this administration.
They do because it was. There is but one gospel of salvation and one Saviour Jesus Christ. The Bible in its entirety and completeness is the sole and exclusive expression of that gospel. Regardless of who was or was not being addressed at any point in it, God caused and used that as an object lesson for our edification and in some manner was intended as a demonstration of, and reflection of, the gospel. The gospel makes no provision for applicability of certain groups to respective aspects of it that would necessitate unique interpretation or understanding of background. The only applicable rules are those the Bible specifically and directly sets-forth for itself: the Bible should only be interpreted against itself.I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God.
Whatever he told anyone at that time was addressed to Israel and not the body of Christ because the Body of Christ had not yet been born.To go and sin no more...
They do because it was. There is but one gospel of salvation and one Saviour Jesus Christ. The Bible in its entirety and completeness is the sole and exclusive expression of that gospel. Regardless of who was or was not being addressed at any point in it, God caused and used that as an object lesson for our edification and in some manner was intended as a demonstration of, and reflection of, the gospel. The gospel makes no provision for applicability of certain groups to respective aspects of it that would necessitate unique interpretation or understanding of background. The only applicable rules are those the Bible specifically and directly sets-forth for itself: the Bible should only be interpreted against itself.
Salvation and judgment alone are the reason of/for the Bible.
[Heb 10:7 KJV]
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
[Col 3:10-11 KJV]
10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
[Gal 3:28 KJV]
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[2Co 11:3 KJV] 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[2Co 2:15-17 KJV]
15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.
These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.